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9/11 unanswered questions on 22:51 - Mar 29 by MillJack
I've no doubt that it would have, it was basically next door to it after all. However, the video you posted shows no obvious damage to that side of the building. Even if the back of the building was completely obliterated, surely it wouldn't collapse straight down but rather towards the point of least resistance? I.e. the part of the building that has been damaged?
I'm not trying to prove anyone right or wrong here but I've always been a bit puzzled by this particular collapse. The fact that it was "hit by debris" wouldn't make it collapse like that imo, particularly when there were buildings nearer to the towers that suffered much more damage, but managed to continue standing after 9/11.
The official account claims it was heavily damaged on the south side and fires started on multiple floors. The sprinkler system was also knocked out. This was enough to cause it to collapse.
I understand why people find it curious. I've no idea myself, though I do not think any of the buildings were deliberately destroyed as part of some nefarious plot carried out by the US Govt.
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9/11 unanswered questions on 23:29 - Mar 29 with 2955 views
9/11 unanswered questions on 16:09 - Mar 29 by londonlisa2001
In all seriousness, apparently they chose a Tuesday because it is the least busy day of the week in US aviation (i have no idea whether that is true). Also September because it has the best chance of clear skies (I believe May is the same, but they weren't ready). It has also been suggested that the original date was brought forward by a week or so for whatever reason.
Any date at all is probably the anniversary of something that could be seen as notable, or ties in with some sort of religious scripture. I have seen people suggest that the date was something to do with the Bible as well (can't remember the context but something about Babylon striking back). It is however, people trying to find meanings when they aren't there. Similar to that windings thing ecb referred to, and something else about folding bank notes, and God knows what else.
Whatever the reason for the date, I can remember it as clearly as if it was yesterday when for a while no one knew whether London was going to be attacked as well and we were all just standing watching. I can remember July 7 even more clearly, as I spent an hour trying to find out if family were OK when most phones were not working properly (the emergency services shut down the phone systems pretty early on). Terrifying. As was two weeks later when the second (failed) attack on London happened and all of us walked past armed police and soldiers every day to get to work.
The one thing I'm sure we can agree on wholeheartedly is that these people are monstrous, and the day that they are all wiped off the face of this earth will be a happy one for all of humanity.
That must have been very frightening indeed. I wish you had never had to experience those days and live subsequently with the knowledge of the heightened risk in your daily life.
My opposition to Islam, and subsequently my deeper than average interest in it, began during the Salman Rushdie affair. I had just started Comprehensive school and had an unusual interest in current affairs for my age. I couldn't get my head around the mentality behind Rushdie's fatwa and have sought to get a deeper understanding of the religion ever since. I was a young man when first 9/11 and then 7/7 happened. Although I had read the Koran and read extensively around the subject of Islamic extremism I was still shocked to see it played out for real. As a husband and father now it angers me that these scumbags could possibly murder my wife (e.g. on a business trip to London) or either of my children in the future and I am clean out of patience for avoiding dealing with it in the name of tolerance.
9/11 unanswered questions on 23:29 - Mar 29 by Kerouac
That must have been very frightening indeed. I wish you had never had to experience those days and live subsequently with the knowledge of the heightened risk in your daily life.
My opposition to Islam, and subsequently my deeper than average interest in it, began during the Salman Rushdie affair. I had just started Comprehensive school and had an unusual interest in current affairs for my age. I couldn't get my head around the mentality behind Rushdie's fatwa and have sought to get a deeper understanding of the religion ever since. I was a young man when first 9/11 and then 7/7 happened. Although I had read the Koran and read extensively around the subject of Islamic extremism I was still shocked to see it played out for real. As a husband and father now it angers me that these scumbags could possibly murder my wife (e.g. on a business trip to London) or either of my children in the future and I am clean out of patience for avoiding dealing with it in the name of tolerance.
Sounds like we're about the same age mate. And similarly after 7/7 I took almost an obsessive interest in Islam. I haven't disagreed with anything you've written and found it interesting, but then I may be guilty of my own confirmation bias and am open enough to admit that.
What i do believe though, is that this "minority" of Muslims who spoil it for the rest, is fairly significant if you take into account the opinions of those who share their faith. The amount of support or refusal to acknowledge that fellow Muslims would be capable of such atrocities is truly worrying. That's just my take from working on Edgware Road for 2 years between 2004-2006. I haven't seen or heard anything to suggest that much has happened to improve matters. Speaking to mates who work in CT it's to the contrary.
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9/11 unanswered questions on 23:45 - Mar 29 with 2927 views
9/11 unanswered questions on 23:01 - Mar 29 by Humpty
The official account claims it was heavily damaged on the south side and fires started on multiple floors. The sprinkler system was also knocked out. This was enough to cause it to collapse.
I understand why people find it curious. I've no idea myself, though I do not think any of the buildings were deliberately destroyed as part of some nefarious plot carried out by the US Govt.
The 'official account' is also full of holes. A building as sturdy as that would not collapse due to a fire but believe what you will because no government has ever lied to us ever have they?
9/11 unanswered questions on 23:45 - Mar 29 by Ebo
The 'official account' is also full of holes. A building as sturdy as that would not collapse due to a fire but believe what you will because no government has ever lied to us ever have they?
I was just stating what the official account was as Bony claimed nothing hit Building 7. Something did hit Building 7.
I have no idea myself if what they say happened is enough to bring a building like that down. I know f*ck all about structural engineering. I'm guessing you don't either but I could be wrong.
Yes governments lie to us, but I don't believe the US government committed 9/11. The theories people put forward would entail many thousands of people being involved.
And listen to the theories they propose. Controlled demolition. Nanothermite. Holograms. Missiles. Pilotless airliners.
I don't think any of it is credible at all.
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9/11 unanswered questions on 00:10 - Mar 30 with 2917 views
9/11 unanswered questions on 00:00 - Mar 30 by Humpty
I was just stating what the official account was as Bony claimed nothing hit Building 7. Something did hit Building 7.
I have no idea myself if what they say happened is enough to bring a building like that down. I know f*ck all about structural engineering. I'm guessing you don't either but I could be wrong.
Yes governments lie to us, but I don't believe the US government committed 9/11. The theories people put forward would entail many thousands of people being involved.
And listen to the theories they propose. Controlled demolition. Nanothermite. Holograms. Missiles. Pilotless airliners.
I don't think any of it is credible at all.
I'm not buying into the thermite theory or the pilotless aircraft, but I firmly believe that it was not just the planes that brought them down. The official account defies the laws of physics.
The US gov had a part to play in this, they knew it was coming and they let it happen. They had the pilots under surveillance yet did nothing.
I am also very curious at how these rookie pilots managed to manoeuvre a commercial aircraft with expert precision and accuracy through a built up city and hit their target.
Too many things are not adding up for me.
You say thousands - I think it is more in the hundreds and money talks. Speak out and it's bye bye.
9/11 unanswered questions on 00:10 - Mar 30 by Ebo
I'm not buying into the thermite theory or the pilotless aircraft, but I firmly believe that it was not just the planes that brought them down. The official account defies the laws of physics.
The US gov had a part to play in this, they knew it was coming and they let it happen. They had the pilots under surveillance yet did nothing.
I am also very curious at how these rookie pilots managed to manoeuvre a commercial aircraft with expert precision and accuracy through a built up city and hit their target.
Too many things are not adding up for me.
You say thousands - I think it is more in the hundreds and money talks. Speak out and it's bye bye.
Fair enough. I disagree.
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9/11 unanswered questions on 12:38 - Mar 30 with 2798 views
9/11 unanswered questions on 00:10 - Mar 30 by Ebo
I'm not buying into the thermite theory or the pilotless aircraft, but I firmly believe that it was not just the planes that brought them down. The official account defies the laws of physics.
The US gov had a part to play in this, they knew it was coming and they let it happen. They had the pilots under surveillance yet did nothing.
I am also very curious at how these rookie pilots managed to manoeuvre a commercial aircraft with expert precision and accuracy through a built up city and hit their target.
Too many things are not adding up for me.
You say thousands - I think it is more in the hundreds and money talks. Speak out and it's bye bye.
It stinks.
We still don't know, despite 50 years of speculation, who shot JFK. Many people now dead did and a few still alive do.
"Official" estimates around 50,000 employees on the payroll of the NSA. Many reckon the figure is at least 10 times that. That's a lot of people sworn to secrecy. A nation within a nation.
Some of the things the CIA have got up to since WW2 are jaw dropping.
I wouldn't put anything past the dark recesses of the US Govt. They are capable of anything and to suggest otherwise is naïve. Just my opinion of course, but then I don't believe anything printed in what passes for newspapers these days, I think it's all a crock of sh/t and propaganda. We are but ants to be p/ssed on.
9/11 unanswered questions on 12:38 - Mar 30 by Gravy
It stinks.
We still don't know, despite 50 years of speculation, who shot JFK. Many people now dead did and a few still alive do.
"Official" estimates around 50,000 employees on the payroll of the NSA. Many reckon the figure is at least 10 times that. That's a lot of people sworn to secrecy. A nation within a nation.
Some of the things the CIA have got up to since WW2 are jaw dropping.
I wouldn't put anything past the dark recesses of the US Govt. They are capable of anything and to suggest otherwise is naïve. Just my opinion of course, but then I don't believe anything printed in what passes for newspapers these days, I think it's all a crock of sh/t and propaganda. We are but ants to be p/ssed on.
*adjusts tinfoil hat*
Who do you think killed jfk? I always heard it was a guy called lee Oswald, are there unanswered questions about this too?
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
JFK was killed by the CIA for one of two reasons either because it was well documented that JFK wanted to break it up or that JFK had demanded the files on UFO activity something that the CIA said they would not hand over at any cost. The "black umbrella man" seen in the video exactly were the shot came from was the killer,why would he have an overcoat and umbrella on such a glorious day? Remember LHO was never tried for the assasination and was killed 2 days before his court appearance,very convenient indeed.
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9/11 unanswered questions on 15:28 - Mar 30 by pikeypaul
JFK was killed by the CIA for one of two reasons either because it was well documented that JFK wanted to break it up or that JFK had demanded the files on UFO activity something that the CIA said they would not hand over at any cost. The "black umbrella man" seen in the video exactly were the shot came from was the killer,why would he have an overcoat and umbrella on such a glorious day? Remember LHO was never tried for the assasination and was killed 2 days before his court appearance,very convenient indeed.
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The plot thickens. Many people also believe you can see the driver turning around with a handgun. So he's been shot at by Oswald in the book depository, the drivers had a pop, the guy with the umbrella has had a go at him too, and the fella up the Gnoll. It really wasn't his day, he was getting shot at from all angles.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
9/11 unanswered questions on 16:35 - Mar 30 by Highjack
The plot thickens. Many people also believe you can see the driver turning around with a handgun. So he's been shot at by Oswald in the book depository, the drivers had a pop, the guy with the umbrella has had a go at him too, and the fella up the Gnoll. It really wasn't his day, he was getting shot at from all angles.
Argus!
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9/11 unanswered questions on 21:10 - Mar 30 with 2566 views
9/11 unanswered questions on 16:35 - Mar 30 by Highjack
The plot thickens. Many people also believe you can see the driver turning around with a handgun. So he's been shot at by Oswald in the book depository, the drivers had a pop, the guy with the umbrella has had a go at him too, and the fella up the Gnoll. It really wasn't his day, he was getting shot at from all angles.
No it was obviously only one of them,which one and for what reason is the intriguing point.
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9/11 unanswered questions on 18:06 - Mar 28 by Wingstandwood
I have worked both as a steel erector and in a welding fabrication business that used a blacksmiths coal forge. If you put a 1 inch thick piece of steel from e.g. a JCB (holding plate/bracket etc!) with an in-situ 1 inch broken bolt (term sheared) onto the coals and leave it for a short amount of time? The bolt will come out with ease!
The hole expands to a size where the bolt will fall out and the steel becomes pliable to the point where it can even be flattened to a fraction of its original thickness by a hammer. The process where the extreme heat of a aviation fueled fire is combined with the downward force of huge weight (thousands of tons) would cause collapse and turn the steel frame into jelly. The proof? The thousands of heat twisted and mangled girders!
i see the same thing applied to fittings that are beyond normal loosening...heat from torch ,impact and voila. ive read all this thread to this point,due to effort put in by jacked up ,and the way he has to his credit argued the case , enjoyed his argument. this post is best conter.using x box escuse punctuation......minge
9/11 unanswered questions on 12:38 - Mar 30 by Gravy
It stinks.
We still don't know, despite 50 years of speculation, who shot JFK. Many people now dead did and a few still alive do.
"Official" estimates around 50,000 employees on the payroll of the NSA. Many reckon the figure is at least 10 times that. That's a lot of people sworn to secrecy. A nation within a nation.
Some of the things the CIA have got up to since WW2 are jaw dropping.
I wouldn't put anything past the dark recesses of the US Govt. They are capable of anything and to suggest otherwise is naïve. Just my opinion of course, but then I don't believe anything printed in what passes for newspapers these days, I think it's all a crock of sh/t and propaganda. We are but ants to be p/ssed on.
*adjusts tinfoil hat*
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