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Reply | Manager situation
at 16:55 11 Jun 2025
Fair play to you R from afar this is the first reasonable and rational post in response. To question whether the clubs PR strategy is the right approach. I agree that's a fair question to raise and I do think they have gone too far one way to the point they have aggravated those addicted to constant updates. Even if it's week before preseason even starts
The part of this thread that lead to so many getting all upset with me begun with me responding to Simmo's opinion that it was either "apathy" or an intention to "disrespect" fans that drove the clubs PR strategy. I believe that opinion to be total nonsense and gave my reasons for that view. Only your post here was a reasonable and rational approach of why they should do a different approach
But the main thing for me is even if it's misguided. The clubs PR strategy is not driven by apathy or an intention to disrespect
On the various people accusing me of being a paid PR person I will take as a compliment. But I am not and if you believe that then you literally are a conspiracy theorist because that is a conspiracy theory. It is not true
It's clearly upsetting for some that someone holds a different view to the group think and it's even more distressing when credible points are made. I haven't until just now a credible rebuttal in any of the lengthy posts in response although I do particularly enjoy Baz popping in now and then with a one liner of provable nonsense about Errea being as big a company as Nike or our pitch not being smaller than average
Also enjoyed Dave B tells me that we had our highest average attendance since the Premiership years in the season that Gareth Ainsworth was our manager because it was "exciting" and that in the season we begun with our worst without a win at home ever our crowds were higher because the fans believed we "were on the up". Personally I'm not convinced by that theory though |
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Reply | Manager situation
at 08:51 11 Jun 2025
I definitely don't think Nourry is infallible. Will never understand with our tight pitch and standard of player he seems to want a game model that involves passing out from the back and I was seriously worried about the links with the Norwich manager getting the job as he is a hardcore proponent of passing from the back
I would agree that it is a mistake for him to say that to you. Even if it genuinely was a coincidence which I don't believe it was he should understand why it appears to be a strategy to group news around a fans forum and shouldn't have said that to you
Find this whole exchange and some of the comments towards me pretty illuminating about society as a whole. People view things as black and white. You have to be totally on one side or the other. Either you hate Nourry or you are "dripping melted cheese on his balls". Weird
Would be nice if more people were able to form there own opinions and apply critical thinking [Post edited 11 Jun 8:52]
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Reply | Manager situation
at 08:29 11 Jun 2025
Firstly I was not putting words in your mouth. On page 2 of this thread you said that it was "derranged" to not be furious with Nourry that Edward's had left or that Saito had left (even though he was small and you we're simultaneously furious that we had signed him in the first place for that reason) and i used Clarke Salter and Kelman as my reasons in that specific context about why we should not necessarily be furious yet. I ignored your post there because I believe I was very clear that I was addressing your bullet pointed remarks on page 2 of this thread. You went off on a tangent unrelated to that and I didn't want into a drawn out thing. I had made my point.
And as for the PR strategy with news I would say both bits can be true. The contract renewal news as an example. The Lloyd, Kolli, Morgan then Chair contract renewals were spread out for the reasons I give. Then yes at the same time it is also true that the club have an approach of also grouping significant news around big dates, the Dembele signing and Clarke Salter renewal being one example and I anticipated of this month season ticket deadline as well.
The ticket sales are up 15% under Nourry despite our horrendous home record and a cost of living crisis exacerbated by our latest incompetent government. Yet to see anyone else attempt to explain the reason for the sudden jump |
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Reply | Manager situation
at 08:15 11 Jun 2025
Is there any need to start with calling someone thick. Especially when you have badly misunderstood the point being made. I thought I spelled out pretty clearly the strategy isn't aimed at the sort of fan who is renewing regardless or buying a match ticket, regardless
If you think I am suggesting people "forget" then you really aren't following along. It's about the marginal difference. The club have a strategy for maximising attendances. And I'm saying there PR strategy is part of it. For what you are saying to be true all things being equal we will sell the same number of tickets each season. Let's have a look if that is true
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/queens-parkrangers/besucherzahlenentwicklung/ver
For the last 5 years excluding Covid affected seasons we averaged league attendances of 14,185. For the last two years since Nourry's involvement in the club it has been 16,254 and that includes this season a reduction because we normally have away fans only the top tier and then had to close off front rows in lower school end. This is 2,000 extra a game. If you say the club average a conservative £30 revenue per extra person that's £1.4m a season extra. Bit more significant than what Simmo was allegedly so worried about on the shirt sales impact.
Spreading out the news is a part of the strategy for the reasons outlined in my two previous posts
And on Baz's point comparing Nike to Errea in size. Errea have around 200 employees where as Nike have around 80,000 would be my response on that |
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Reply | Manager situation
at 22:13 10 Jun 2025
The production and design of kits is an outsourced function. Our kit provider Errea are a smaller firm. If they have delayed production in a way that costs us money then I suspect when their contact with us is up we will move to a more efficient company.
So now I've responded to your questions how about you or Simmo respond on my points raised in my previous post in relation to the obviously bigger point about signings and contract renewal news. Also the considering ticket sales are at least 50 times more significant in terms of revenue lets see if we can get a smart answer out of you in the context of that point
I suggest that by spreading out the contract and new signings news it drives more traffic to the clubs site over a longer period of time and a higher number of days. As opposed to doing all the news in late May or early June as you wish (when things like QPR Cash dates were driving additional incentives for ticket sales)
By spreading out the news it decreases the chance the less committed, less engaged fans or on the fence about buying tickets fans miss the news. And it instead increases the chance they see the news on a day they have more money in their pocket or more time on their hands. Also they might see it this way on a day they are just in a better mood than normal. In the same way airports have fancy high end shops because when people have time on their hands and are in a good mood they are more likely to make impulsive spending decisions, like in this case buying tickets for football.
Your focus on shirt sales I think will make minimal difference but I suspect you focused on that small point as you didn't have a rational point to dismiss my point on the topic of ticket sales which is 50x more significant at least [Post edited 10 Jun 22:14]
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Reply | Manager situation
at 21:10 10 Jun 2025
I think it's unlikely to be driven by apathy of the management or an intention to disrespect you. Interesting you feel that because I believe it’s instead likely motivated by maximising revenues at the club. I find it unlikely that a young CEO early on in his career had already reached the point of being so jaded that he is “apathetic” towards the clubs fan base
The sort of fan who doesn't log on to a message board like this regularly or refresh twitter looking for updates is going to spend money at the club if they can so despite those fans craving the content the most, what benefits the club financially may not be to have a strategy that keeps those fans happiest.
So by spreading out the news, or having a flurry of positive news like at the end of this month around pay day as we approach the end of the loyalty renewal window. It prompts them into an increased likelihood of them buying a ticket. As it increases the number of days more fans think about the club, click the link and go on to the clubs website and for many reasons on any one of those extra days maybe they do find themself buying a match ticket. Which they might not have bought if the club had released all the news in late May or early June. When maybe a chunk of fans are on holiday, broke, at a wedding, busy with work etc
If spreading the news out maximises the revenue then that is the right approach for me |
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Reply | Manager situation
at 08:13 9 Jun 2025
I think a few of you on here have clearly been on the internet too much. Go watch Alex Jones YouTube channel if you are into conspiracy theories. That way you don’t need to create your own modern version of the witch trials, which you have set up to protect you from engaging in debate with opposing views. I’ve made 4 posts on this site and had9 posts in response with insults vs 0 challenges on any of the points raised (suspect because they were good points that challenged views held)
I genuinely have come on here and posted my own sincerely held opinions. I’ve had a season ticket since before Nourry was born. Third generation fan. I don’t go to as many away games as I used to because I’ve got young kids now. Will soon be forcing them into being the fourth generation. So in that context don’t you think it’s pretty sad that you and your posse of online trolls jump on and attack opposing opinions but don’t engage in debate. If a point was raised that you don’t like or disagree with then fine explain that or just ignore it. But to post insults and conspiracy theories… have a word with yourself
I sit in the same stand as you and I occasionally drink in the Crown. So next season I will introduce myself at some point and refer to this. That isn’t in any way at all intended as a veiled threat. I’m too old for that. More just that if you look at the responses on here in the context of me just being a fan sharing my opinion it’s not right
If you think it’s an absolute disaster that next season our first choice pair of centre backs is Clarke- Salter/ Morrison vs finishing this season with Edward’s/ Morrison and that the club absolutely must go out and find a replacement of the same standard as Edward’s (on what budget I’m not sure) then fine that’s your opinion. Or if you think adding a player who scored 27 goals last year playing for an unfancied Orient team is of no significance and instead want to focus on us potentially losing a winger who scored 3 goals then fine. Debate the point or ignore the post but just chucking out insults and conspiracy theories isn’t right |
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Reply | Manager situation
at 21:19 8 Jun 2025
That we have made no signings. Do you think it's possible or likely even that what you could instead say there is we have announced no signings?
Remember last year with Morrison clearly having been there for a quite a while before they announced it. I'm guessing (or just hoping) same thing is happening here. Could be that they waiting to confirm manager situation before announcing the signings. Dave Mc on his recent podcast seemed to suggest manager was imminent.
On your comment on no height I take a different view to you on that. If it were true I think we would have had a problem on set pieces but we ranked pretty well I believe on both attacking and defending them. The club has clearly taken the stance they don't mind the wingers being small. And we had 4 small blokes in Saito, Chair, Smyth and Dembele competing for two places. But outside of the wingers each position had at least one 6 foot plus option with the exception of left back and I think Paal always managed to cope well for his height.
Edward's is gone yes (credit to the club for pulling off the best loan signing we've had since Kyle Walker. But Clarke-Salter was the season before best player and he's back (I hope). And one of our best attackers may be gone. But Kelman the best attacker in League One last year will be here and that's something we should be pleased about (imagine the stick we'd give the club if we had finally given up on him and released him before last season)
Completely agree it's odd about the friendly announcements and unnecessary/probably harmful financially about the kits.
With your gripe about the manager statement then silence. There is probably a legal part to it
Let’s have a look at us and Preston as we get to first game of the season and 1st September because Preston certainly aren’t a team I’m looking at longingly |
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Reply | Rest of the Championship thread 25/26
at 16:37 8 Jun 2025
I agree there is a solid spine. With Nardi- Clarke-Salter-Morrison/Cook- Field/ Varane/ Chair. That’s at least 6 out of a first 11 of very competent Championship players.Frey will contribute again. And likes of Kelman/Dembele/Koli/Vale/Morgan and even Larkeche have the potential to kick on and really perform well in this league for us
The optimist in me wants to believe that the club have made progress on some signings/renewals. But are waiting for being able to confirm the new manager before they release that information to give the appearance of that managers buy in to the signings. Big week for the club needed as some announcements needed by them to start building some optimism and faith that we are assembling a decent team |
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Reply | The QPR summer managers rumours thread
at 00:08 7 Jun 2025
Ouch my first post on here and I’m accused of not thinking deeply.
Eze left 5 years+ after joining. Does Ferdinand deserve much credit for him joining? Or was it more Ramsey?
Your praise for Ferdinand on Eze implies a good job on the academy side. I would disagree on that
And to address your accusation of not thinking deeply. Well, Eze was sold 5 years after joining. So I would refer you back to my point on Esquerdinha, Morgan etc being too soon for a direct comparison on Ferdinand vs Nourry on that front.
(EDIT - I’m not saying anyone will come anywhere close to Eze who was a generational talent. More that Les fluked one bit of money. Where as signs are now we might have more of a pipeline to the first team and some of those may even be sold for a few quid too - if not Eze levels of cash)
But early signs are that Nourry is going to have more success on that front. In the recent premier league final with 5 of that starting 11 all signing in the last year [Post edited 7 Jun 0:12]
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Reply | The QPR summer managers rumours thread
at 23:10 6 Jun 2025
Would you agree it's way too early to be making assessments on that? This is going to be Nourry's 2nd summer transfer window. Les Ferdinand must have had around 10 so I think that's important context. In terms of buying a player and then selling a player for a profit I think Ferdinand's record was a £2 million profit on Smithies.
Looks as though Varanes sale will have already outperformed Ferdinand on that. And we need more time before we can see if the Morgan's, Esquerdinha and Vale type signings of this season can turn into profit as well |
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