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Reply | Castellon Friendly
at 10:04 13 Jul 2025
I quoted you in error. It was BAWHoops post that immediately preceded yours that he said:
"For all the Nourry lovers on X this should be a wake up call (it isn't, it's Smyth and Field's fault).
If we'd lost 2-0 and played like that it would be just as concerning"
I just scrolled up and clicked your post by accident as it was next to it. I was talking to BAWHoops |
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Reply | Castellon Friendly
at 22:18 12 Jul 2025
Dave McIntyre says Nourry took the steps needed to protect the club and ensure we get compensation. And now with the Leicester deal that's proving true it seems
But you are presenting things as if Marti was realistically going to be here next season and criticising Nourry for him now being at Leicester. So can you fill us in on what it is makes you so confident that Dave McIntyre is wrong? |
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Reply | Ziyad Larkeche contract extension
at 18:25 1 Jul 2025
I do believe that Kelman is an upgrade on Alfie Lloyd and the performances Celar put in pre Cardiff. My opinion there remains the same
But as a striker who scored as much as he did. If a bigger club wants to take a punt on him and give us cash then of course the club has a price for him where they accept that
But the bigger focus is the Eze money. I agree with those making the point. Our left back options look light if we are going to have that for the season, but if you look at those being our options up until end of August at most then that’s okay by me. Let’s wait and see if Eze money comes in and then we can look at a higher tier on our shopping list. As I agree the left back spot is especially important in the new managers system
Would be silly to spend a few hundred grand now if Eze is later sold and we could have spent a few million instead |
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Reply | Ziyad Larkeche contract extension
at 18:02 1 Jul 2025
My guess is the club will wait now and let the Eze business play out. See who if anyone comes in for Kelman and then we will know our budget.
Left back, centre mid and a striker. But I see the logic in waiting to see what exactly the budget really is before we go and blow our beans with a budget not yet boosted by Eze money. We’ve got until September for that to play out.
Also with the reports that JS likes to play a different way at home to away from home I wonder if we will play a 3-5-2 with wing backs away from home. With Vale as left wing back. Then home games play a back four |
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Reply | Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t)
at 19:08 28 Jun 2025
No worries. Both made our point and think we are both happy with the business done this summer and it all being done along with the coaching changes relatively early
£20m Eze, plus Bowler and Dieng your up to £25m of that £30m inwards. Leaves maybe £5m fees received off of £26m fees spent… ouch what a shambles. Looks like we are on an upwards curve compared to that already |
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Reply | Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t)
at 18:07 28 Jun 2025
I'm assuming you are adding in the Sterling money to claim a profit? You must admit that's not right to include? As Summmer 2015 that fee came in, a few months after Les arrived and he promptly spent near half of it on Joel Lynch, Ngbakoto, Borisyuk, Sylla and soon after Connor Washington.
Sterling fee was down to Steve Gallen and even Baz wouldn't have the front to credit any of that income to Les or Hoos.
Also the credit that Les deserves for Dieng or Eze fee I would say is debatable for sure and it's also opening the debate towards the criticism he may deserve for his handling of key prospect contracts. Thinking likes of BOS and Manning which he bears responsibility for.
If Madsen and Celar eventually leave for no fee. It's not strictly a loss in the sense not every signing we make can be necessarily be expected to be sold to be a total success or failure. Look at the Luongo and Gladwin signing that Les made for £3m. Neither went for a fee but I would say Luongo was still one of his more successful signings Les made here. And so in that same way if Madsen or Celar eventually find their feet then it's not a total loss. You need to look at the signings as a whole
The point I was making about Varane was specifically about players that under Les and Hoos we paid money for as part of the senior squad and then eventually sold on for a profit or loss. I am certain that is a heavy loss
So talking as we were specifically about spending money on players for senior squad like Varane, Madsen and Celar. Comparing that same topic with Les and Hoos it seems totally impossible that we could have a profit. I can think of many fees with any income back, off the top of my head would say; Goss, Dozzell, Lynch, Washington, Luongo, Gladwin, Ngbakoto, Borysiuk. That is about £12m of fees at least. Thinking of fees back in top profit I can come up with is Smithies for £3m and then what? Maybe a few hundred grand each for De Wjis and Porter |
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Reply | Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t)
at 15:15 28 Jun 2025
You are both dreaming if you think Les deserves the credit for Eze being at the club.
If we were having a top 3 people at the club for who the credit for Eze goes to Les wouldn’t be one of them. It would be Chris Ramsey, Paul Hall then Impey. Les had nothing to do with him joining. Those three did
And that you are using Dickie as a success story example is very telling. We sold Dickie for a loss of more than £1m
Smithies was the only senior player that Ferdinand had the club pay money for and then was sold for more than paid for him. Would be interesting if JD1 could do a tally of transfers fees paid out under Les and Hoos and then amount received in fees |
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Reply | Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t)
at 15:08 28 Jun 2025
But we turned down the £5m bid. So if we sell him next season for £10m or £15m then it’s a very good profit isn’t it
Or if one of the players we signed for free goes you need to factor that in. As well as going well early in your desperation to find a negative you are also writing Celar and Madsen down to zero value which is just not a reasonable position |
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Reply | Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t)
at 15:36 27 Jun 2025
Apologies Terry for not responding directly. There was quite a few responses and some of them were considered and engaging in rational debate with a counter view like yours that I didn’t response to but wasn’t intentional in missing yours
I should though focus on reasoned responses like from you rather than from the keyboard warriors who resort to insults.
I personally do feel that yes we are improving our squad and our broader foundation. We are just starting out our third transfer window under Nourry versus Les’ 20 windows. In rejecting Varane’s offer of £5m that being a £4m(ish) profit on what we spent is already a bigger profit than Les and Hoos ever managed on any of the players they spent money on. In ten years they never had the chance to make a £4m profit on a player they paid cash for
And while Mbengue is probably not anticipated as one we expect to sell for any significant fee in future. He seems a good character (certainly better than the Joel Lynch types that Les spent £1m on). Plus Mbengue is fast and that fits with the stated strategy of wanting to be able to play a high defensive line
And what I also like about our signings recently is that we are taking more shots at finding a player we can sell on for decent money in future. I include the Dev Squad signings within that as it feels like we are making a bigger effort there, with the Esquerdinha signing and if true this South African defender who recently got AFCON player of the tournament. Then on top of that bringing in Steve Bould to give best chance to develop them
If Poku comes off, we tried with Dembele, Vale and Morrison too. All those players are attempts at putting ourselves in a position where one day we will get a proper transfer fee for a player of ours. It’s not about being a Nourry fan. Or getting every signing right. It’s that I care about our club doing well. I could go on with reasons but I am pleased with the steps being taken and like the direction we are going in. Think some got carried away this summer with their criticisms and some of which they went a bit early on and needed more patience for certain situations to played out
It’s still early days but I think we are on a good path (considering our budget) |
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Reply | Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t)
at 08:11 27 Jun 2025
Just to correct your point in your 3rd paragraph there. As you don’t understand the FFP rules. It is not a fixed three year block and start again 1,2,3. It is a continuous rolling three year cycle. Every season is year 3 of a cycle
The team vs Watford had only 3 signings out of the 14 who weren’t made by Ferdinand. Can’t buy into any of the arguments made here against it being a line up he was largely responsible for
Anyway, hoping Poku gets over the line today. Feeling more and more positive about next season |
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Reply | Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t)
at 20:26 26 Jun 2025
How can you call me a troll when you say that wasn’t Les’ squad. Les left 6 months in Feb 2023. The Watford game was August 2023. We were just over one month into the first transfer window after his decade in charge at the club. With majority of that time him working with a far bigger budget than we have now. To try and rewrite history to say it wasn’t Les and Hoos squad is just not credible.
And the evil Les was obviously a tongue in cheek reference so no need for the dramatic insult because you’re losing a debate
The arguments against Nourry were always weak at best and they are being proved so, and being happy about our CEO proving himself asbeing good at his job is obviously a good thing and something a fan of this club should be happy about and anyone can that doesn’t see that or gets triggered by him doing well may as well have cnt tattooed across their forehead |
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Reply | Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t)
at 19:05 26 Jun 2025
You are only triggered because I made a fair point in that the team that 10 years of evil Les and Hoos turned out vs Watford on the opening game in 2023 is miles and miles worse than the team Nourry has put together in one and a half years to play Preston in 6 weeks or so.
To say I’m not a QPR fan is immature at best |
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Reply | Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t)
at 18:49 26 Jun 2025
Thank you for proving my point about it being a harder job to make the arguments against Nourry
I made a direct reference to the Watford game of two opening games ago.
You chose to pick the injury smashed squad against Burnley and referenced only Paal and Edward's missing. Skipped Ashby though (strange that)
The line up against Watford that Hoos and Ferdinand gave us was
Begovic, Kakay, Fox, Gubbins, Paal, Dozzell, Field, Smyth (Duke-McKenna 45'), Kelman (Armstrong 45'), Chair, Dykes
Lets wait and see if one and a half years of Nourry turns us out a better side than the ten years of Hoos and Ferdinand managed to churn out vs Watford |
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Reply | Amadou Mbengue confirmed (n/t)
at 18:14 26 Jun 2025
Really looks like we are putting a nice squad together. Good character, pace and ability
Contrast this squad already with the team we walked out to face Watford with first game of the season under Ainsworth in August 23. What an absolute shower Ferdinand and Hoos left us with there
The arguments to make against Nourry really are getting harder to make. |
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Reply | The QPR summer transfer rumours thread
at 12:19 24 Jun 2025
Very good point. Currently our options at right wing are Smyth and Dembele. Smyth works hard but has no end product. Dembele has end product but doesn’t work hard enough and is probably better playing through the middle
This is an unbelievable signing if we pull this off. And credit to the club. A player who can contribute develop and add potentially have a big sell on value. Plus our team doesn’t have a problem with height. Look at our set piece record that proves it doesn’t have a problem. But it does have a problem with lack of pace and this helps towards fixing that |
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Reply | Ben Williams announcement?
at 19:03 19 Jun 2025
Good news this!!
Got me thinking after all the upset it caused after his part time year abroad. Who did Williams actually replace when he joined the club in 2023? Or is it the case his role never existed before then? |
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Reply | Manager situation
at 16:55 11 Jun 2025
Fair play to you R from afar this is the first reasonable and rational post in response. To question whether the clubs PR strategy is the right approach. I agree that's a fair question to raise and I do think they have gone too far one way to the point they have aggravated those addicted to constant updates. Even if it's week before preseason even starts
The part of this thread that lead to so many getting all upset with me begun with me responding to Simmo's opinion that it was either "apathy" or an intention to "disrespect" fans that drove the clubs PR strategy. I believe that opinion to be total nonsense and gave my reasons for that view. Only your post here was a reasonable and rational approach of why they should do a different approach
But the main thing for me is even if it's misguided. The clubs PR strategy is not driven by apathy or an intention to disrespect
On the various people accusing me of being a paid PR person I will take as a compliment. But I am not and if you believe that then you literally are a conspiracy theorist because that is a conspiracy theory. It is not true
It's clearly upsetting for some that someone holds a different view to the group think and it's even more distressing when credible points are made. I haven't until just now a credible rebuttal in any of the lengthy posts in response although I do particularly enjoy Baz popping in now and then with a one liner of provable nonsense about Errea being as big a company as Nike or our pitch not being smaller than average
Also enjoyed Dave B tells me that we had our highest average attendance since the Premiership years in the season that Gareth Ainsworth was our manager because it was "exciting" and that in the season we begun with our worst without a win at home ever our crowds were higher because the fans believed we "were on the up". Personally I'm not convinced by that theory though |
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Reply | Manager situation
at 08:51 11 Jun 2025
I definitely don't think Nourry is infallible. Will never understand with our tight pitch and standard of player he seems to want a game model that involves passing out from the back and I was seriously worried about the links with the Norwich manager getting the job as he is a hardcore proponent of passing from the back
I would agree that it is a mistake for him to say that to you. Even if it genuinely was a coincidence which I don't believe it was he should understand why it appears to be a strategy to group news around a fans forum and shouldn't have said that to you
Find this whole exchange and some of the comments towards me pretty illuminating about society as a whole. People view things as black and white. You have to be totally on one side or the other. Either you hate Nourry or you are "dripping melted cheese on his balls". Weird
Would be nice if more people were able to form there own opinions and apply critical thinking [Post edited 11 Jun 8:52]
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Reply | Manager situation
at 08:29 11 Jun 2025
Firstly I was not putting words in your mouth. On page 2 of this thread you said that it was "derranged" to not be furious with Nourry that Edward's had left or that Saito had left (even though he was small and you we're simultaneously furious that we had signed him in the first place for that reason) and i used Clarke Salter and Kelman as my reasons in that specific context about why we should not necessarily be furious yet. I ignored your post there because I believe I was very clear that I was addressing your bullet pointed remarks on page 2 of this thread. You went off on a tangent unrelated to that and I didn't want into a drawn out thing. I had made my point.
And as for the PR strategy with news I would say both bits can be true. The contract renewal news as an example. The Lloyd, Kolli, Morgan then Chair contract renewals were spread out for the reasons I give. Then yes at the same time it is also true that the club have an approach of also grouping significant news around big dates, the Dembele signing and Clarke Salter renewal being one example and I anticipated of this month season ticket deadline as well.
The ticket sales are up 15% under Nourry despite our horrendous home record and a cost of living crisis exacerbated by our latest incompetent government. Yet to see anyone else attempt to explain the reason for the sudden jump |
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Reply | Manager situation
at 08:15 11 Jun 2025
Is there any need to start with calling someone thick. Especially when you have badly misunderstood the point being made. I thought I spelled out pretty clearly the strategy isn't aimed at the sort of fan who is renewing regardless or buying a match ticket, regardless
If you think I am suggesting people "forget" then you really aren't following along. It's about the marginal difference. The club have a strategy for maximising attendances. And I'm saying there PR strategy is part of it. For what you are saying to be true all things being equal we will sell the same number of tickets each season. Let's have a look if that is true
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/queens-parkrangers/besucherzahlenentwicklung/ver
For the last 5 years excluding Covid affected seasons we averaged league attendances of 14,185. For the last two years since Nourry's involvement in the club it has been 16,254 and that includes this season a reduction because we normally have away fans only the top tier and then had to close off front rows in lower school end. This is 2,000 extra a game. If you say the club average a conservative £30 revenue per extra person that's £1.4m a season extra. Bit more significant than what Simmo was allegedly so worried about on the shirt sales impact.
Spreading out the news is a part of the strategy for the reasons outlined in my two previous posts
And on Baz's point comparing Nike to Errea in size. Errea have around 200 employees where as Nike have around 80,000 would be my response on that |
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