| Banning E-Cigs? 15:01 - Apr 2 with 5858 views | Swanzay |
I cant see the justification in this, no scientific proof of dangers of smoking them compared to a traditional cigerette, nanny state springs to mind.
No threat of passive smoking, as someone else said, they will be banning water next because it looks like vodka.
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 19:44 - Apr 3 with 1394 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 19:12 - Apr 3 by Gowerjack |
Not at all my friend.
I smoked 30 a day for the best part of 25 years.
I simply stopped one day,no pils patches or placebos.
It hurt it was hard but it was one of the best things I ever did.
So like many other former chuffers I can't understand how people feel the need to puff on pretend fags.
And they make the user look like a t wat! |
Enough said Gowerjack!
That's a thread ender right there.
It's claimed the WAG are going over the top - yet it's consistently proven with willpower you can quit without these gimmicks!
Nobody to blame but yourselves for taking up the habit whilst knowing the risks - just looking for scapegoats and excuses. |  |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 19:47 - Apr 3 with 1391 views | Lord_Bony |
Leave them alone ffs
If people want to smoke these things,then let them do it...until it s proven harmful don t worry about it....well done if they ve given up the real thing,for some people it s not so easy... |  |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 19:52 - Apr 3 with 1390 views | unsystematic |
We can buy e-liquid from suppliers which sell them without any artificial additives or flavorings with a vegetable glycerin base of reputable sellers. The only artificial thing in there will be nicotine if that. If it’s the e-liquid that concerns people why isn't the health minister proposing a regulation to these companies for purity? It’s the same with food; buy of reputable businesses and not some guy farming in his bedroom otherwise you run the risk of something being in there that you didn't know that could harm you.
E-Cigarettes have proven to save millions of lives at the end of the day by preventing us from getting cancer as they have proven to be the most effective way of getting people off cigarettes.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24166-ecigarettes-help-you-quit-as-well-as
The 1 chemical [Nicotine] found in e-cigs in the doses found in ecigs will be extremely unlikely to cause cancer. The 4000+ chemicals in cigarettes will greatly increase your risks of cancer!
If any one thinks these normalize smoking then electronic cars normalize petrol cars. Drinking coke normalizes drinking mixers. Drinking water normalizes drinking vodka. It’s a pathetic argument with no backed science.
Anyone who is against e-cigs is pro-cancer/pro-tobacco and should read a book or two |  | | |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 20:55 - Apr 3 with 1339 views | libertine |
sugar is the new tobacco,
pipe versions hookahs and cigars can all be bought as well,
x fire ecig
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e pipe
what about the shisha bar down the bottom of wine street why is shisha allowed and nasty old fags are not too frightened to go there aren't we
also is it the case that smokers pay more money into the tax system???
im a non smoker by the way |  | | |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 13:33 - May 27 with 1281 views | Ebo |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 18:26 - Apr 2 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
But there are a lot more chemicals in these E-cig liquids than nicotine. There are numerous metals in there along with other chemicals which have little to no research conducted on them regards to health implications. Claiming they are healthy is silly and shows you bought into the advertisement, the same way people 60 years ago bought into smoking the real things. |
Absolute crap. E-liquid contains (vegetable glycol) VG, (propylene glycol) PG a food flavouring and if you wish, no nicotine. It's water vapour FFS.
It is saving peoples lives. |  |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 17:49 - May 27 with 1245 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 13:33 - May 27 by Ebo |
Absolute crap. E-liquid contains (vegetable glycol) VG, (propylene glycol) PG a food flavouring and if you wish, no nicotine. It's water vapour FFS.
It is saving peoples lives. |
Do you genuinely believe that is all they contain? Incredible. |  |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 19:36 - May 27 with 1224 views | Dyfnant |
I'm pretty certain it's a straight forward process to test vapour, Occam's razor therefore suggests this fuss is about loss of tax revenue |  |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 20:52 - May 27 with 1202 views | Ebo |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 17:49 - May 27 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Do you genuinely believe that is all they contain? Incredible. |
Yes I do. A lot of people DIY their own juice using just these 3 ingredients. Adding nicotine if they so wish. Many small British businesses selling e-juice are quite trusted in the vaping community as they too are vapers and list everything that is in the juice. It's the dodgy market stall traders who are tainting the market with dangerous crap from china. | |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 20:56 - May 27 with 1201 views | Ebo |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 19:36 - May 27 by Dyfnant |
I'm pretty certain it's a straight forward process to test vapour, Occam's razor therefore suggests this fuss is about loss of tax revenue |
Many independent tests have been carried out and findings thus far have posted results where the vapour is relatively safe. About as safe as eating fruit and veg which have pesticide residue. It carries the same risks. But 4000 less than regular cigarettes.
Obviously international health bodies will be in cahoots with BAT and governments to demonise vaping as it's loss of revenue and business for them. They'd rather people smoke and get cancer whilst keeping their very large profit margins ticking over.
I don't smoke or vape myself, but a chap who I give a lift to work does indeed vape. He was a heavy 40+ a day man up until 2 years ago and when he started vaping he was on 26mg nicotine. 2 years later he's down to zero nicotine and is not far off quitting the vapes as he seldom does it now - triggers only when he has a pint.
I used to let him vape in my car on the way to work and I can tell you I could barely smell the strawberry milkshake liquid or the fruit liquid he vaped (window was down a little mind) and it left no smell or build up of anything in my car. From going from 40+ a day to being on the verge of quitting vaping is some feat, he had smoked for over 30 years too - that's a very positive thing I think.
The biggest problem is though if the big tobacco companies get a big grip on this and start adding crap to get people addicted then yes it could possibly then be harmful, but as it stands the liquids are made by very trusted vendors and there is yet to be a documented case of someone getting seriously ill or even dying from vaping.
Vaping started as a grass roots thing as opposed to a quitting aid made by pharmaceutical companies, many of which fail to work so people get back on the cigs (see where I am coming from?).
So in summary, yes it is a good thing as it is the only effective method of people stopping smoking, especially those who have tried and tried and failed many many times. Not everyone has the same amount of willpower as others.
I do agree with Darran though - people do look like twunts with them dangling from their necks! [Post edited 27 May 2014 23:51]
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 04:54 - May 28 with 1158 views | controversial_jack |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 15:13 - Apr 2 by Darran |
People that smoke them should get a good thumping for looking like a right tw*t. |
You can't go around thumping people just because they look like t*ats, otherwise you would be permanently black and blue |  | | |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 12:25 - May 28 with 1125 views | RogueTrooper |
A ban will be unenforceble, if you hold your breath for a few seconds it doesnt emit any visible vapour. They are banned from my workplace, I used a pen as a bellend detector (Yes, someone went nuts, raised the alarm, as they mistook me sucking a pen for having a cheeky toot, leaving them very red faced when I held up the offending biro)
Are toilet cubicles to be checked? And how will they be checked?
There are also versions that look like Asthma inhalours.
I shall look forward to breaking any silly ban on a regular basis, as I do when I'm at the Liberty. No one notices or cares, so whats the problem? Apart from a few AM's who can't seep to do anything about real health issues. |  |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 16:01 - May 29 with 1048 views | Lord_Bony |
Well that's that then just like I thought,the world health organisation says they are SAFE nothing to worry about and they are a good thing.
So F>K OFF nanny state and let people have some enjoyment.Btw I bought some recently and you know what they re quite enjoyable especially with a cold can of lager playing on the PC..just like the old days...but without the ashtray... | |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 17:13 - May 29 with 1024 views | Uxbridge |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 13:33 - May 27 by Ebo |
Absolute crap. E-liquid contains (vegetable glycol) VG, (propylene glycol) PG a food flavouring and if you wish, no nicotine. It's water vapour FFS.
It is saving peoples lives. |
Saving people's lives? A bit of a reach to say the least.
Less harmful than ciggies? Most probably. Totally harmless? Questionable. Nowhere near enough study, or indeed time, yet to know what the long-term effects of use are. |  |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 17:31 - May 29 with 1021 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 17:13 - May 29 by Uxbridge |
Saving people's lives? A bit of a reach to say the least.
Less harmful than ciggies? Most probably. Totally harmless? Questionable. Nowhere near enough study, or indeed time, yet to know what the long-term effects of use are. |
Exactly. Yes they're likely less harmful than cigarettes, but you're still putting numerous chemicals into your body, into your lungs, which more than likely will not be doing you any good.
The funniest thing is some people actually believe that it's just 'water vapour'. It's reminiscent of when people took up smoking cigarettes back around the time of the war(s).
Here's a way to save lives, stop smoking all together? | |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 07:17 - May 30 with 978 views | RogueTrooper |
As someone who keeps fit (job requirement, I know). It does make me giggle watching the news and seeing a lardarse AM trying to tell me how unhealthy I am cos I use an ecig. I'm more than happy to point out that looking like you've swallowed a space hopper isn't very good for you either, but I can't see them bringing in a law that makes 100 burpees a day compulsory, which really is a shame. If you're a bit of a porker, I'm not listening to your ramblings on health issues, the same as I wouldn't go to a Cardiff fan for financial advice. | |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 01:27 - Jun 6 with 918 views | Ebo |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 17:13 - May 29 by Uxbridge |
Saving people's lives? A bit of a reach to say the least.
Less harmful than ciggies? Most probably. Totally harmless? Questionable. Nowhere near enough study, or indeed time, yet to know what the long-term effects of use are. |
2/3 chemicals as opposed to 4000? Chances are you will live longer by stopping smoking and switching to vaping rather than sticking with smoking.
PG and VG is found in consumer products that we ingest every day, so it food flavouring. Shall we ban them as well?
Seems as though the people who are brow beating against vaping are the ones who need educating over it. | |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 12:52 - Jun 6 with 881 views | controversial_jack |
The issue isn't if it's bad for you or not , it's another case of the establishment wanting to push it's power and authority over the people one again | | | |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 13:11 - Jun 6 with 873 views | Uxbridge |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 01:27 - Jun 6 by Ebo |
2/3 chemicals as opposed to 4000? Chances are you will live longer by stopping smoking and switching to vaping rather than sticking with smoking.
PG and VG is found in consumer products that we ingest every day, so it food flavouring. Shall we ban them as well?
Seems as though the people who are brow beating against vaping are the ones who need educating over it. |
That first sentence shows you didn't read what I wrote. Of course it's going to be safer. However to say the products are proven to be harmless is disingenuous and inaccurate. There simply hasn't been enough study or time to confirm otherwise. The best solution of all is to quit entirely. | |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 00:53 - Jun 9 with 819 views | Ebo |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 13:11 - Jun 6 by Uxbridge |
That first sentence shows you didn't read what I wrote. Of course it's going to be safer. However to say the products are proven to be harmless is disingenuous and inaccurate. There simply hasn't been enough study or time to confirm otherwise. The best solution of all is to quit entirely. |
We may as well stop eating food then. The amount of crap added to what we eat nowadays is equally as harmful to what is in e-liquid. | |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 10:55 - Jun 9 with 796 views | Uxbridge |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 00:53 - Jun 9 by Ebo |
We may as well stop eating food then. The amount of crap added to what we eat nowadays is equally as harmful to what is in e-liquid. |
You'd have a point if e-cigs had the same level of controls and scrutiny put in place as the stuff that comes to our supermarkets does.
If it was, then I'd be agreeing with you. | |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 11:15 - Jun 9 with 790 views | Darran |
It absolutely baffles me why anyone smokes in this day and age,
It baffles me even more that some of the most intelligent nicest posters on this board smoke,sort it out mun. |  |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 11:56 - Jun 9 with 777 views | Baker |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 11:15 - Jun 9 by Darran |
It absolutely baffles me why anyone smokes in this day and age,
It baffles me even more that some of the most intelligent nicest posters on this board smoke,sort it out mun. |
I hear what you're saying, but as a long term smoker/vaper, it is an addiction which is a nightmare to kick.
What baffles me most though, is the intelligent, grown up posters on here that continue to watch lubed up men in lycra — now that is something I cannot get my head around  |  |
| May I say? what a smashing blouse you have on! |
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| Banning E-Cigs? on 12:10 - Jun 9 with 765 views | Darran |
| Banning E-Cigs? on 11:56 - Jun 9 by Baker |
I hear what you're saying, but as a long term smoker/vaper, it is an addiction which is a nightmare to kick.
What baffles me most though, is the intelligent, grown up posters on here that continue to watch lubed up men in lycra — now that is something I cannot get my head around |
When I said that some of the most intelligent nicest posters on this board smoke I wasn't thinking of you but thanks for the reply anyway. | |
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