| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? 09:00 - Jun 22 with 697 views | trampie |
Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal due to being against the UN charter ?
Will Benny Net and Trump be put on trial in the Hague ?, I doubt it because lots of the Western World seem to be in on it. |  |
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:12 - Jun 22 with 669 views | SullutaCreturned |
even th legal experts on international law are divided on this because Iran is breaking treaties if they are developing Nuclear weapons.
it all comes down to whether Israel can provide evidence that Iran intended to attack them. If they can then the "anticipatory defence" claim is valid, if they cannot then they have no legs to stand on.
Tney may try the Iran funds the Houthi's and they attack us line because Ira is a rogue state.
Trumps attack on Iran, different thing. Trump is a lunatic. The UN needs to speak out on his attack but they probably won't because it's the "leader of the free world"  |  | | |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:15 - Jun 22 with 664 views | raynor94 |
You don't agree with the US taking out the ability of this regime to enrich uranium to weapon grade ? 3% is needed Iran have enriched 60% |  |
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:22 - Jun 22 with 650 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:15 - Jun 22 by raynor94 |
You don't agree with the US taking out the ability of this regime to enrich uranium to weapon grade ? 3% is needed Iran have enriched 60% |
Thing is Rayns, something that most of us may agree with can still be illegal.
If a pedo abused my son and I put them in intensive care, a lot of people would say I was in the right but I'd still end up in court.
Right and wrong, legal and illegal, sometimes the law really is an ass.
If Iran is close to a nuclear weapon they need stopping but is a military attack by the USA the right move?
Istael have the fact that Iran has funded Hamas and Hezbollah as well as the Houthi rebels. What just cause does the USA have/ | | | |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:23 - Jun 22 with 648 views | trampie |
Since the end of the second World War the so called democratic nations seem to be slipping into more and more bad behaviour, before 7th Oct attack Israel had assasinated individuals (Generals and the like) with limited outcry, they have loads of people in jail for years no trial, the UK Government couldn't say too much because of interment and shoot to kill in our neck of the woods.
Bombing a country without legal reason was the next step after getting away with state assassinations when not at war and jailing people without trial, some of these countries that call themselves democratic are they really democratic at all or just more democratic than some so called third World countries. | |
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:27 - Jun 22 with 636 views | raynor94 |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:22 - Jun 22 by SullutaCreturned |
Thing is Rayns, something that most of us may agree with can still be illegal.
If a pedo abused my son and I put them in intensive care, a lot of people would say I was in the right but I'd still end up in court.
Right and wrong, legal and illegal, sometimes the law really is an ass.
If Iran is close to a nuclear weapon they need stopping but is a military attack by the USA the right move?
Istael have the fact that Iran has funded Hamas and Hezbollah as well as the Houthi rebels. What just cause does the USA have/ |
The just cause in my opinion is preventing this rouge nation from acquiring nuclear weapons
The world will be a safer place without this regime | |
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:30 - Jun 22 with 621 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:23 - Jun 22 by trampie |
Since the end of the second World War the so called democratic nations seem to be slipping into more and more bad behaviour, before 7th Oct attack Israel had assasinated individuals (Generals and the like) with limited outcry, they have loads of people in jail for years no trial, the UK Government couldn't say too much because of interment and shoot to kill in our neck of the woods.
Bombing a country without legal reason was the next step after getting away with state assassinations when not at war and jailing people without trial, some of these countries that call themselves democratic are they really democratic at all or just more democratic than some so called third World countries. |
Here's a list of how democratic.
https://www.idea.int/gsod/2024/countries/ |  |
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:38 - Jun 22 with 602 views | trampie |
I seen a list the other day, Ireland were 7th in the entire World and deemed to be fully democratic, the UK, Israel and USA were much further down the list and were deemed not to be fully democratic. [Post edited 22 Jun 9:46]
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 10:04 - Jun 22 with 549 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:23 - Jun 22 by trampie |
Since the end of the second World War the so called democratic nations seem to be slipping into more and more bad behaviour, before 7th Oct attack Israel had assasinated individuals (Generals and the like) with limited outcry, they have loads of people in jail for years no trial, the UK Government couldn't say too much because of interment and shoot to kill in our neck of the woods.
Bombing a country without legal reason was the next step after getting away with state assassinations when not at war and jailing people without trial, some of these countries that call themselves democratic are they really democratic at all or just more democratic than some so called third World countries. |
Since the end of WW2? Tramps, it's being going on ever since countries formed. Nations/countries/governments, they've been behaving badly for centuries.
Beofre Oct 7th Hamas had also done a lot of bad shit, they are both guilty,
refworld.org/reference/annualreport/cscoal/2004/en/64756
The British government has been doing bad shit for, well, you can go back to Cromwell's "In the name of God, go" speech and even further. Politics is and always has been corrupt.
Democracy, freedom of speech, do they really exist? Our collective safety depends on governments doing bad stuff that we don't want to know about. Just be grateful you have the right to moan about it, in some countries you'd just disappear. | | | |
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 13:32 - Jun 22 with 428 views | trampie |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 10:04 - Jun 22 by SullutaCreturned |
Since the end of WW2? Tramps, it's being going on ever since countries formed. Nations/countries/governments, they've been behaving badly for centuries.
Beofre Oct 7th Hamas had also done a lot of bad shit, they are both guilty,
refworld.org/reference/annualreport/cscoal/2004/en/64756
The British government has been doing bad shit for, well, you can go back to Cromwell's "In the name of God, go" speech and even further. Politics is and always has been corrupt.
Democracy, freedom of speech, do they really exist? Our collective safety depends on governments doing bad stuff that we don't want to know about. Just be grateful you have the right to moan about it, in some countries you'd just disappear. |
I picked on the end of the second World War because that was Britain's high point in moral standing (taking context into consideration) in many peoples eyes, its been downhill since then. | |
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 14:54 - Jun 22 with 388 views | ncswan |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:12 - Jun 22 by SullutaCreturned |
even th legal experts on international law are divided on this because Iran is breaking treaties if they are developing Nuclear weapons.
it all comes down to whether Israel can provide evidence that Iran intended to attack them. If they can then the "anticipatory defence" claim is valid, if they cannot then they have no legs to stand on.
Tney may try the Iran funds the Houthi's and they attack us line because Ira is a rogue state.
Trumps attack on Iran, different thing. Trump is a lunatic. The UN needs to speak out on his attack but they probably won't because it's the "leader of the free world" |
Trump a lunatic? Are you serious? The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Government has been terrorizing the world since the overthrow of the Shah in 1978/79 timeframe. Trump is the one person, no the only person, in the world who can squash this lunatic Ayatollah Khamenei and his Islamic Revolution government out of existence, and end this "forever" war on both Israel & the US of A. Biden (or whoever wielded the "autopen" & was in charge) "appeased" Iran, giving them $200 Billion, which put those lunatics back in the World Terrorism business. This followed Trump's nearly successful "peaceful" bankruptcy the Iranian government, which was to bring them back in line with the rest of the world. Obama drew a red line in the sand but was too cowardly to call them out. Bush had his revenge for his father's shortcoming in capturing Saddam Hussein in Iraq, but it left a huge dilemma, and one that he & Obama couldn't solve, in how to transform the Iraqi government into a working democracy and keep the Iranian terrorists spilling over their border.
The United States has endured a multitude of Iranian and Iranian proxies' attacks since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, and has many justifiable reasons to bomb their secretive nuclear enrichment program. Here are some of them:
The 241 marines killed in 1983 in Lebanon in a bomb attack on their barracks. The US was part of a mult-national force deployed for peacekeeping during the Lebanese Civil War.
In 2000, while the USS Cole was refueling in the Aden, Yemen port, when it was attacked and severely damaged by an Al-Qaeda Yemenese 2-man suicide rebel craft that planted a bomb on the hull of the ship. 17 US Navy sailors were killed and 39 service personnel were injured. In 2015, Iran was found to be partly responsible due to their support of the Hezbollah-sponsored Houthis.
Numerous rocket missile/drone attacks, disrupting the Red Sea shipping lanes by Iranian-sponsored Houthi rebels. No loss of life but major economic costs to major shippers and military ships there to protect the shippers.
From 2020 to 2023, hundreds of missile/drone attacks on US bases in Syria & Iraq, resulting in serious brain injuries to military personnel.
In the Oct 7, 2023 attack in Israel, dozens of US citizens were killed and captured by the Hamas terrorists, a known Iranian-sponsored terrorist group.
I'm not going to change anyone's minds that are already cast in stone in their thinking that Trump is evil and a warmonger. (please name one war that he initiated!) But the simple facts are that his aim is to end wars, and he is a good person. He didn't get the US into this Middle East mess but can be the one to resolve the conflict with Iran. He may be a braggart, but just like all people who wield power, he has an ego as big as the Swansea.com stadium because he believes in himself and he knows that he's one of the very few politicians who does what he says he's going to do. Thank the Lord that he's President and not Harris or Biden! | | | |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 16:20 - Jun 22 with 320 views | onehunglow |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 14:54 - Jun 22 by ncswan |
Trump a lunatic? Are you serious? The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Government has been terrorizing the world since the overthrow of the Shah in 1978/79 timeframe. Trump is the one person, no the only person, in the world who can squash this lunatic Ayatollah Khamenei and his Islamic Revolution government out of existence, and end this "forever" war on both Israel & the US of A. Biden (or whoever wielded the "autopen" & was in charge) "appeased" Iran, giving them $200 Billion, which put those lunatics back in the World Terrorism business. This followed Trump's nearly successful "peaceful" bankruptcy the Iranian government, which was to bring them back in line with the rest of the world. Obama drew a red line in the sand but was too cowardly to call them out. Bush had his revenge for his father's shortcoming in capturing Saddam Hussein in Iraq, but it left a huge dilemma, and one that he & Obama couldn't solve, in how to transform the Iraqi government into a working democracy and keep the Iranian terrorists spilling over their border.
The United States has endured a multitude of Iranian and Iranian proxies' attacks since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, and has many justifiable reasons to bomb their secretive nuclear enrichment program. Here are some of them:
The 241 marines killed in 1983 in Lebanon in a bomb attack on their barracks. The US was part of a mult-national force deployed for peacekeeping during the Lebanese Civil War.
In 2000, while the USS Cole was refueling in the Aden, Yemen port, when it was attacked and severely damaged by an Al-Qaeda Yemenese 2-man suicide rebel craft that planted a bomb on the hull of the ship. 17 US Navy sailors were killed and 39 service personnel were injured. In 2015, Iran was found to be partly responsible due to their support of the Hezbollah-sponsored Houthis.
Numerous rocket missile/drone attacks, disrupting the Red Sea shipping lanes by Iranian-sponsored Houthi rebels. No loss of life but major economic costs to major shippers and military ships there to protect the shippers.
From 2020 to 2023, hundreds of missile/drone attacks on US bases in Syria & Iraq, resulting in serious brain injuries to military personnel.
In the Oct 7, 2023 attack in Israel, dozens of US citizens were killed and captured by the Hamas terrorists, a known Iranian-sponsored terrorist group.
I'm not going to change anyone's minds that are already cast in stone in their thinking that Trump is evil and a warmonger. (please name one war that he initiated!) But the simple facts are that his aim is to end wars, and he is a good person. He didn't get the US into this Middle East mess but can be the one to resolve the conflict with Iran. He may be a braggart, but just like all people who wield power, he has an ego as big as the Swansea.com stadium because he believes in himself and he knows that he's one of the very few politicians who does what he says he's going to do. Thank the Lord that he's President and not Harris or Biden! |
We have to look at the big picture
That means putting aside the fact Trump is a narcissistic felon
Iran Russia and NK only respect power
They kill the weak
Our leaders arec weak and we are full of bleeding hearts and for countries that hate us
Vile despot countries that laugh at our weakness
Well they ain't laughing at Trump or the west now
If we're going to be blitzed then I'd rather go down fighting these rats than laying down like a coward
Iran has had enough chances
It's people need to find a collective backbone
They also need to dump religious dogma | |
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 16:21 - Jun 22 with 322 views | Flashberryjack |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 14:54 - Jun 22 by ncswan |
Trump a lunatic? Are you serious? The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Government has been terrorizing the world since the overthrow of the Shah in 1978/79 timeframe. Trump is the one person, no the only person, in the world who can squash this lunatic Ayatollah Khamenei and his Islamic Revolution government out of existence, and end this "forever" war on both Israel & the US of A. Biden (or whoever wielded the "autopen" & was in charge) "appeased" Iran, giving them $200 Billion, which put those lunatics back in the World Terrorism business. This followed Trump's nearly successful "peaceful" bankruptcy the Iranian government, which was to bring them back in line with the rest of the world. Obama drew a red line in the sand but was too cowardly to call them out. Bush had his revenge for his father's shortcoming in capturing Saddam Hussein in Iraq, but it left a huge dilemma, and one that he & Obama couldn't solve, in how to transform the Iraqi government into a working democracy and keep the Iranian terrorists spilling over their border.
The United States has endured a multitude of Iranian and Iranian proxies' attacks since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, and has many justifiable reasons to bomb their secretive nuclear enrichment program. Here are some of them:
The 241 marines killed in 1983 in Lebanon in a bomb attack on their barracks. The US was part of a mult-national force deployed for peacekeeping during the Lebanese Civil War.
In 2000, while the USS Cole was refueling in the Aden, Yemen port, when it was attacked and severely damaged by an Al-Qaeda Yemenese 2-man suicide rebel craft that planted a bomb on the hull of the ship. 17 US Navy sailors were killed and 39 service personnel were injured. In 2015, Iran was found to be partly responsible due to their support of the Hezbollah-sponsored Houthis.
Numerous rocket missile/drone attacks, disrupting the Red Sea shipping lanes by Iranian-sponsored Houthi rebels. No loss of life but major economic costs to major shippers and military ships there to protect the shippers.
From 2020 to 2023, hundreds of missile/drone attacks on US bases in Syria & Iraq, resulting in serious brain injuries to military personnel.
In the Oct 7, 2023 attack in Israel, dozens of US citizens were killed and captured by the Hamas terrorists, a known Iranian-sponsored terrorist group.
I'm not going to change anyone's minds that are already cast in stone in their thinking that Trump is evil and a warmonger. (please name one war that he initiated!) But the simple facts are that his aim is to end wars, and he is a good person. He didn't get the US into this Middle East mess but can be the one to resolve the conflict with Iran. He may be a braggart, but just like all people who wield power, he has an ego as big as the Swansea.com stadium because he believes in himself and he knows that he's one of the very few politicians who does what he says he's going to do. Thank the Lord that he's President and not Harris or Biden! |
Great post, although the sheep won't agree. |  |
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 16:44 - Jun 22 with 294 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
There's got to be something messed up with the methodology when the final numbers claim there are 21 countries LESS democratic than North Korea. |  |
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 17:59 - Jun 22 with 252 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 14:54 - Jun 22 by ncswan |
Trump a lunatic? Are you serious? The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Government has been terrorizing the world since the overthrow of the Shah in 1978/79 timeframe. Trump is the one person, no the only person, in the world who can squash this lunatic Ayatollah Khamenei and his Islamic Revolution government out of existence, and end this "forever" war on both Israel & the US of A. Biden (or whoever wielded the "autopen" & was in charge) "appeased" Iran, giving them $200 Billion, which put those lunatics back in the World Terrorism business. This followed Trump's nearly successful "peaceful" bankruptcy the Iranian government, which was to bring them back in line with the rest of the world. Obama drew a red line in the sand but was too cowardly to call them out. Bush had his revenge for his father's shortcoming in capturing Saddam Hussein in Iraq, but it left a huge dilemma, and one that he & Obama couldn't solve, in how to transform the Iraqi government into a working democracy and keep the Iranian terrorists spilling over their border.
The United States has endured a multitude of Iranian and Iranian proxies' attacks since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, and has many justifiable reasons to bomb their secretive nuclear enrichment program. Here are some of them:
The 241 marines killed in 1983 in Lebanon in a bomb attack on their barracks. The US was part of a mult-national force deployed for peacekeeping during the Lebanese Civil War.
In 2000, while the USS Cole was refueling in the Aden, Yemen port, when it was attacked and severely damaged by an Al-Qaeda Yemenese 2-man suicide rebel craft that planted a bomb on the hull of the ship. 17 US Navy sailors were killed and 39 service personnel were injured. In 2015, Iran was found to be partly responsible due to their support of the Hezbollah-sponsored Houthis.
Numerous rocket missile/drone attacks, disrupting the Red Sea shipping lanes by Iranian-sponsored Houthi rebels. No loss of life but major economic costs to major shippers and military ships there to protect the shippers.
From 2020 to 2023, hundreds of missile/drone attacks on US bases in Syria & Iraq, resulting in serious brain injuries to military personnel.
In the Oct 7, 2023 attack in Israel, dozens of US citizens were killed and captured by the Hamas terrorists, a known Iranian-sponsored terrorist group.
I'm not going to change anyone's minds that are already cast in stone in their thinking that Trump is evil and a warmonger. (please name one war that he initiated!) But the simple facts are that his aim is to end wars, and he is a good person. He didn't get the US into this Middle East mess but can be the one to resolve the conflict with Iran. He may be a braggart, but just like all people who wield power, he has an ego as big as the Swansea.com stadium because he believes in himself and he knows that he's one of the very few politicians who does what he says he's going to do. Thank the Lord that he's President and not Harris or Biden! |
Get the facts right, the USA didn't give Iran 200 billion (and it was Obama in charge at the time.
Those funds were actually frozen Iranian assets, it was their own money that had been denied them when sanctions were imposed.
Bush (along with Tony Blair) lied about WMD's to have an illegal war with Iraq and all that did was create a surge in terrorism. Where do you think "Al Qaida" got their funding from? From the Mujahideen who got their money from the CIA.
If you want to complain about terorist attacks lets start with the IRA and...where did they get so much of their funding from when they were murdering innocent British women and children? Remember NORAID?
cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00965R000605480034-5.pdf
My answer wasn't a defence of Iram, it was a round up of what I read about international law with my personal opinion of Trump that is based on his knee jerk reactions and his trade tariffs that caused chaos and wiped billions of the stock market overnight., his threats to Denmark and Canada which is not how you treat allies.
I never called Trump a warmonger. and I never called him evil.
The Ayatollah's are a completey different level of lunacy, religious ideologists who, if they ever get nuclear weaposn may trigger M.A.D but ask yourself, who was it who put Shah Pavlavi into power? It has been USA interference across the world that has caused so very many of the problems we live with today. | | | |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 18:17 - Jun 22 with 240 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 09:27 - Jun 22 by raynor94 |
The just cause in my opinion is preventing this rouge nation from acquiring nuclear weapons
The world will be a safer place without this regime |
We all thought that when they went after Saddam Hussein, it hasn't quite worked out that way.
The more we interfere in the middle east, the worst things get.
Iran needs taking care of but this mikitary attack, it hasn't made them think again about what they are doing, instead they are talking about taking revenge. Does that mean more terrorist attacks on the innocent?
Iran backs Hamas, Russia and China back Iran,
time.com/7296139/china-iran-israel-us-weapons-mediate-war-peace-oil-diplomacy/
The world has enough war going on right now, we don't need the major world powers to face off too. | | | |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 18:46 - Jun 22 with 219 views | trampie |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 16:44 - Jun 22 by Tummer_from_Texas |
There's got to be something messed up with the methodology when the final numbers claim there are 21 countries LESS democratic than North Korea. |
I have just looked at a few different lists and the USA is not listed as a fully democratic state, as a US citizen does that surprise you ? | |
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 19:19 - Jun 22 with 198 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 18:46 - Jun 22 by trampie |
I have just looked at a few different lists and the USA is not listed as a fully democratic state, as a US citizen does that surprise you ? |
Not surprised at all, given what I witnessed done entirely by the so-called Democrat Party over the last 15 years.
As one example, Obama weaponized the Internal Revenue Service against his political opponents. This is not a conspiracy theory, it's a documented fact. Yet nobody was held accountable.
As another example, the Democrats paid a foreign spy (Christopher Steele) to manufacture a fake dossier in an attempt to frame their political opponent and duly elected President for treason. Again, this is not a conspiracy theory, it's a documented fact. Yet nobody was held accountable.
As a final example, in October 2020 - 3 weeks before election day - the FBI coerced both Twitter and Facebook to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story, knowing that it would torpedo Biden’s chances of winning. This was election rigging on a scale that would make a banana republic dictator blush. And yet again, this is not a conspiracy theory, it's a documented fact. Yet nobody was held accountable.
You can't call yourself a fully democratic state when things like this happen. I'm hoping Trump, Patel, Hegseth, Vance etc. restore our system to what it should be over the 4-8 years, but The Swamp is a powerful, dark force. [Post edited 22 Jun 19:20]
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| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 19:49 - Jun 22 with 164 views | ncswan |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 18:46 - Jun 22 by trampie |
I have just looked at a few different lists and the USA is not listed as a fully democratic state, as a US citizen does that surprise you ? |
Well, it shouldn't surprise anyone who has taken or studied basic civics here in the US of A. The United States is first and foremost a "constitutional republic". But it also is a "representative democracy". America blends democratic principals (US citizens elect their leaders) with republican (having a constitution and elected leaders) safeguards such as "Checks & Balances", Bill of Rights, and an independent judiciary.
The key differences between a democracy and a republic are:
A Democracy is ruled by the majority, whereas a Republic is ruled by law and elected officials.
A true Democracy is government by the people, whereas a true Republic is government by the people through a constitution.
Minority Protection is not guaranteed by a Democracy, whereas in the USA, rights are guaranteed through the Constitution.
Leadership in a Democracy is directly ruled by the people and could include mob rule.
Leaders/officials in a Republic are law-bound by the Constitution.
A Republic is a form of government where the head of state is not a monarch, and where leaders are elected and bound by a constitution or rule of law. This is why you see an on-going battle among the three branches of government - Executive (office of the President), Legislative (both houses of Congress), and the Judiciary (with the top level and final rulings from the Supreme Court).
A Democracy is rule by the people, either directly or through elected representatives. | | | |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 19:56 - Jun 22 with 161 views | Luther27 |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 18:17 - Jun 22 by SullutaCreturned |
We all thought that when they went after Saddam Hussein, it hasn't quite worked out that way.
The more we interfere in the middle east, the worst things get.
Iran needs taking care of but this mikitary attack, it hasn't made them think again about what they are doing, instead they are talking about taking revenge. Does that mean more terrorist attacks on the innocent?
Iran backs Hamas, Russia and China back Iran,
time.com/7296139/china-iran-israel-us-weapons-mediate-war-peace-oil-diplomacy/
The world has enough war going on right now, we don't need the major world powers to face off too. |
I don’t think the major powers will get involved. Russia has too much on their plate and unfortunately China has its eyes on Taiwan. That’s the danger as they will wonder if the USA eyes will only be on Iran.
Iran has been allowed to literally get away with murder. That is the fault of every nation and organisation in allowing it to get to this stage. No one in their right mind wants war but where do you draw the line?
Our problem in the UK is homegrown terrorism. Remember the effect the 2005 tube bombings had….and that was just four people….the Manchester Arena atrocity…..and further back in 2001 the Shoe Bomber. These attempts to kill and maim innocent people are the result of inept Government who for whatever reason follow the path of appeasement instead of removing the problem in the first place. | | | |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 20:08 - Jun 22 with 136 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 19:56 - Jun 22 by Luther27 |
I don’t think the major powers will get involved. Russia has too much on their plate and unfortunately China has its eyes on Taiwan. That’s the danger as they will wonder if the USA eyes will only be on Iran.
Iran has been allowed to literally get away with murder. That is the fault of every nation and organisation in allowing it to get to this stage. No one in their right mind wants war but where do you draw the line?
Our problem in the UK is homegrown terrorism. Remember the effect the 2005 tube bombings had….and that was just four people….the Manchester Arena atrocity…..and further back in 2001 the Shoe Bomber. These attempts to kill and maim innocent people are the result of inept Government who for whatever reason follow the path of appeasement instead of removing the problem in the first place. |
It's difficult to just go in and remove people AND obey international law. You need the UN and the security council onside and you need just cause, that is very murky water for the recent American attack on Iran.
As I said, a government can do something we amostly agree is right but still find it's been declared illegal, and vice versa. | | | |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 20:35 - Jun 22 with 100 views | Luther27 |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 20:08 - Jun 22 by SullutaCreturned |
It's difficult to just go in and remove people AND obey international law. You need the UN and the security council onside and you need just cause, that is very murky water for the recent American attack on Iran.
As I said, a government can do something we amostly agree is right but still find it's been declared illegal, and vice versa. |
I’ve yet to see a terrorist nation or individual consult a lawyer on the legality of his actions. Lawyers make money but don’t stop wars.
Now the UN are a different matter. They are culpable in letting things get to this stage. They are an organisation that are not fit for purpose. They are no longer the Workds Police. | | | |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 20:36 - Jun 22 with 93 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Are Israel and USA attacks on Iran illegal ? on 19:49 - Jun 22 by ncswan |
Well, it shouldn't surprise anyone who has taken or studied basic civics here in the US of A. The United States is first and foremost a "constitutional republic". But it also is a "representative democracy". America blends democratic principals (US citizens elect their leaders) with republican (having a constitution and elected leaders) safeguards such as "Checks & Balances", Bill of Rights, and an independent judiciary.
The key differences between a democracy and a republic are:
A Democracy is ruled by the majority, whereas a Republic is ruled by law and elected officials.
A true Democracy is government by the people, whereas a true Republic is government by the people through a constitution.
Minority Protection is not guaranteed by a Democracy, whereas in the USA, rights are guaranteed through the Constitution.
Leadership in a Democracy is directly ruled by the people and could include mob rule.
Leaders/officials in a Republic are law-bound by the Constitution.
A Republic is a form of government where the head of state is not a monarch, and where leaders are elected and bound by a constitution or rule of law. This is why you see an on-going battle among the three branches of government - Executive (office of the President), Legislative (both houses of Congress), and the Judiciary (with the top level and final rulings from the Supreme Court).
A Democracy is rule by the people, either directly or through elected representatives. |
Hang on, minoruty protection is there in a democracy, from the internet
In a democracy, minority rights are protected through a combination of legal frameworks, institutional mechanisms, and a commitment to tolerance and inclusivity. This includes constitutional protections, anti-discrimination laws, and the promotion of participation in political and public life. A healthy democracy also fosters a culture of respect for diversity and ensures that the majority's will does not come at the expense of the fundamental rights of minority groups.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Legal and Constitutional Protections:
Constitutional guarantees:
Many democracies enshrine minority rights in their constitutions, providing a strong legal basis for protection.
Anti-discrimination laws:
These laws prohibit discrimination based on various characteristics like race, religion, ethnicity, and gender, safeguarding minorities from unfair treatment.
Specific legislation:
Some countries have specific laws targeting the protection of minority languages, cultures, or religious practices.
2. Institutional Mechanisms:
Ombudsman or human rights commissions:
These bodies investigate complaints of discrimination and human rights violations, providing an avenue for redress.
Independent monitoring bodies:
Organizations may be established to monitor the situation of minorities and report on any rights violations.
Affirmative action or positive discrimination:
In some cases, measures like affirmative action are employed to address historical disadvantages faced by minorities and promote their equal participation.
3. Fostering a Culture of Tolerance and Inclusion:
Education and awareness:
Promoting education about different cultures, religions, and perspectives helps to build understanding and respect.
Public discourse:
Encouraging open and inclusive dialogue about minority rights helps to shape public opinion and address prejudice.
Political participation:
Ensuring that minorities have a voice in the political process and can participate in decision-making is crucial.
Respect for diversity:
Recognizing and valuing the diversity of society as a strength is essential for building a truly inclusive democracy.
4. The Role of Majority Rule:
While majority rule is a cornerstone of democracy, it must be balanced with the protection of minority rights.
The majority's power should not be used to suppress the rights and freedoms of minority groups.
Democratic systems must find mechanisms to ensure that the will of the majority does not infringe upon the fundamental rights of minorities.
By combining legal frameworks, institutional mechanisms, and a commitment to inclusivity, democracies can strive to protect the rights of all citizens, ensuring that the voices and needs of minorities are heard and respected.
A democracy doesn't have to have a Monarch either, like France for example.
If John Locke or Montesquieu werre around to see how your Presidents have installed placemen in positions of power and/or sacked people who disagreed with them they may be worried that the POTUS was taking too much power for themselves.
I do have to ask though, why are you trying to explain democracy to the British?
One last thing, your founding fathers largely based your system on the Roman republic (they were mostly classically educated) and that was hardly democratic so they had to make a few disinct changes. The seperation of powers being one. Which is why I mentioned Montesquieu and Locke. Trump passes a lot of edicts and loses a lot of court cases, at least he dd last time around, 93% lost according to this,
democracyforward.org/updates/trump-loses-93-percent-of-cases-we-know-because-we-win/
And I know the Supreme court has blocked him several times this term so far.
DId you see martina Navratilova's interview? She was scathing about Trump and what the USA is becoming. She said she left one authoritarian country and suggested that is what your country is becoming now.
I also think you have to be very careful what you all say about each other, republican or democrat, you are all American but you'd think differently by the language being used. | | | |
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