| Model for a football club 14:57 - Dec 21 with 4826 views | rockin |
I think the interesting parallels between Cardiff and ourselves emphasise the need for some regulation of football clubs.
As many know I'm a massive advocate of safe standing at grounds but to add to the mix I believe it should in place that a percentage of a football club, possibly 20% or so must be owned locally.
As football because more business driven, it needs to be treated like an industry and therefore it needs protecting from itself. Our model is wonderful and we should be a lesson to all. |  | | |  |
| Model for a football club on 15:00 - Dec 21 with 3616 views | reddythered |
If you want it treated as an industry, sadly protectionism never works. |  |
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| Model for a football club on 15:03 - Dec 21 with 3600 views | monmouth |
I'p prefer them to be listed community assets with council's holding a golden voting share that stops any financial risk or changes to the core nature of the club. Hell of a task to make it happen, but stopping purchases with borrowed money or loans would be a start, and an inability to take more out than is out in. Idealistic I know, and in the greed culture that now exists everywhere, hopelessly naive. |  |
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| Model for a football club on 15:03 - Dec 21 with 3597 views | Uxbridge |
| Model for a football club on 15:00 - Dec 21 by reddythered |
If you want it treated as an industry, sadly protectionism never works. |
The bundesliga disagrees. |  |
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| Model for a football club on 15:03 - Dec 21 with 3597 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Model for a football club on 15:00 - Dec 21 by reddythered |
If you want it treated as an industry, sadly protectionism never works. |
He doesn't approve protectionism. He's slightly to the right of Thatcher you know |  |
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| Model for a football club on 15:05 - Dec 21 with 3586 views | Uxbridge |
| Model for a football club on 15:03 - Dec 21 by monmouth |
I'p prefer them to be listed community assets with council's holding a golden voting share that stops any financial risk or changes to the core nature of the club. Hell of a task to make it happen, but stopping purchases with borrowed money or loans would be a start, and an inability to take more out than is out in. Idealistic I know, and in the greed culture that now exists everywhere, hopelessly naive. |
Swansea council in control of the Swans? Eek.
A simple FFP where clubs must break even over a 3 year period would make a lot of sense. Sadly there's no will for it with the authorities. | |
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| Model for a football club on 15:06 - Dec 21 with 3574 views | monmouth |
Not in control, as custodians with a veto. But yeah....maybe not Swansea council.... | |
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| Model for a football club on 15:09 - Dec 21 with 3559 views | dgt73 |
Where does this stand with the free market and capitalism. |  |
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| Model for a football club on 17:18 - Dec 21 with 3456 views | rockin |
I think some of you posting here need to look up the word, pragmatism. | | | |
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| Model for a football club on 17:19 - Dec 21 with 3451 views | dgt73 |
| Model for a football club on 17:18 - Dec 21 by rockin |
I think some of you posting here need to look up the word, pragmatism. |
And I think you may be suffering from schizophrenia. | |
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| Model for a football club on 17:32 - Dec 21 with 3409 views | rockin |
| Model for a football club on 17:19 - Dec 21 by dgt73 |
And I think you may be suffering from schizophrenia. |
Are you a Doctor? | | | |
| Model for a football club on 17:35 - Dec 21 with 3396 views | reddythered |
| Model for a football club on 15:03 - Dec 21 by Uxbridge |
The bundesliga disagrees. |
It might. Time will tell how that works out long term. | |
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| Model for a football club on 17:50 - Dec 21 with 3371 views | Uxbridge |
| Model for a football club on 17:35 - Dec 21 by reddythered |
It might. Time will tell how that works out long term. |
Well it's a long term model there, so I'd argue we are seeing the benefits. No club in the PL comes close to the fans considerate model in the Bundesliga and I include the swans in that. | |
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| Model for a football club on 17:51 - Dec 21 with 3366 views | rockin |
My philosophy is that a football club has to have a stake in the community at large, it's not like mcdonalds. [Post edited 21 Dec 2013 18:02]
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| Model for a football club on 17:55 - Dec 21 with 3351 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Model for a football club on 17:50 - Dec 21 by Uxbridge |
Well it's a long term model there, so I'd argue we are seeing the benefits. No club in the PL comes close to the fans considerate model in the Bundesliga and I include the swans in that. |
Can someone summarise how German football is modelled then please? I can't be arsed to look it up. I won't believe it until Uxy confirms it anyway. I never do. |  |
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| Model for a football club on 18:04 - Dec 21 with 3318 views | rockin |
| Model for a football club on 17:55 - Dec 21 by exiledclaseboy |
Can someone summarise how German football is modelled then please? I can't be arsed to look it up. I won't believe it until Uxy confirms it anyway. I never do. |
Basically fans on the whole have a stake in their clubs, which has meant more long term planning and a belief in the fan being at the centre of the club e.g. cheap season tickets with standing at every ground.
It's a modernised version of what we used to have, fairplay the krauts always a step ahead | | | |
| Model for a football club on 18:05 - Dec 21 with 3311 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Model for a football club on 18:04 - Dec 21 by rockin |
Basically fans on the whole have a stake in their clubs, which has meant more long term planning and a belief in the fan being at the centre of the club e.g. cheap season tickets with standing at every ground.
It's a modernised version of what we used to have, fairplay the krauts always a step ahead |
But is that legislated for or is it just the way it is? | |
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| Model for a football club on 18:07 - Dec 21 with 3300 views | jruss1 |
Yes. it's called the '50 plus 1' rule. Fans/memberships always own 51 per cent of the club. Prevents Tan situations for sure. | | | |
| Model for a football club on 18:08 - Dec 21 with 3294 views | rockin |
| Model for a football club on 18:05 - Dec 21 by exiledclaseboy |
But is that legislated for or is it just the way it is? |
I'm not 100% on that.
But you know how it is we have a different culture to Germany, they're wired differently I know this having known a few germans in my time.
They have a much longer-term perspective on things. I advocate some light touch regulation that could nudge clubs in the right direction. | | | |
| Model for a football club on 18:39 - Dec 21 with 3235 views | Uxbridge |
| Model for a football club on 17:55 - Dec 21 by exiledclaseboy |
Can someone summarise how German football is modelled then please? I can't be arsed to look it up. I won't believe it until Uxy confirms it anyway. I never do. |
A wise approach  jruss sums up the bare bones of it. If you can stomach reading the Daily Fascist, see the following from the Bayern president and imagine such words coming from any Prem league chairman. I'm very envious.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2318209/Bayern-Munich-season-t | |
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| Model for a football club on 18:41 - Dec 21 with 3220 views | jruss1 |
There was a great interview with the people who run Dortmund in 442 magazine last year as well. Including a fantastic quote where they stated they lose around £4.3 million a year by having a terrace, but won't entertain the idea of changing it as 'the fans will kill us' | | | |
| Model for a football club on 18:49 - Dec 21 with 3185 views | Uxbridge |
| Model for a football club on 18:41 - Dec 21 by jruss1 |
There was a great interview with the people who run Dortmund in 442 magazine last year as well. Including a fantastic quote where they stated they lose around £4.3 million a year by having a terrace, but won't entertain the idea of changing it as 'the fans will kill us' |
Watching a game on that terrace is very high on my bucket list. Sadly I think it would ruin domestic footy for me. | |
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| Model for a football club on 18:53 - Dec 21 with 3167 views | jruss1 |
I'm hoping to go in March. Been looking at it for years. | | | |
| Model for a football club on 18:57 - Dec 21 with 3148 views | Uxbridge |
| Model for a football club on 18:53 - Dec 21 by jruss1 |
I'm hoping to go in March. Been looking at it for years. |
I missed San Mames which I regret. Might have to do Napoli although sounds mildly terrifying. | |
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| Model for a football club on 18:58 - Dec 21 with 3148 views | bermudajack |
| Model for a football club on 18:49 - Dec 21 by Uxbridge |
Watching a game on that terrace is very high on my bucket list. Sadly I think it would ruin domestic footy for me. |
I wonder (if it was indeed possible) what kind of response they would get if our trust proposed to the rest of the SCFC Board that they buy a minimum of 51% of the total shares to safeguard the future of the club ?  |  |
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| Model for a football club on 18:59 - Dec 21 with 3145 views | Davillin |
Please excuse my having offered this before.
In the States, in each sport, the league vets a prospective buyer/owner, and does it in depth with considerable energy. No league approval, no purchase.
And no Vincent Tans. |  |
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