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Time to play our own
at 12:58 7 Mar 2025

I can think of three important debut loans for QPR players that predate that (but can't think of others):

Alan McDonald 1983 (9 games for Charlton)
Les Ferdinand 1988 (month at Brentford, season at Besiktas)
Danny Dichio 1994 (Two months at Barnet)

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Time to play our own
at 17:34 4 Mar 2025

"And I can distinguish between players we own and loan players: very different situations."

What is the difference between a loan player whose deal runs out in June (let's call him Ronnie Edwards) and a contracted player (let's call him Steve Cook) whose deal runs out in June? Let's imagine they are on similar deals. Who is more likely to be playing next season for QPR? Be honest. You don't know. I don't know. Pick from the fit players available.

Liam Morrison, meanwhile, had surgery in September, came back in November, sustained a hip injury that kept him for six weeks a month later. He's been back training for a month. I'm not a physio or sports scientist of your pedigree, but I imagine that is in everybody's mind as they ease him back with minutes from the bench here and there.

It should also be noted that Morrison had a long spell injured at Bayern, too, and at Wigan - both muscle injuries too. So maybe just rushing him back from a second long injury at QPR in his first season when we have a fit loan player in his place may not be the best idea.

Just another weird theory for you.

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Time to play our own
at 13:04 4 Mar 2025

"This thread is about...". Come on, it's a conversation on a messageboard about a ludricrous proposition that nobody at QPR is going to entertain anyway. Humour us!

A player on loan until June is the same as a player out of contract in June. Why make these weird rules that don't apply?

And the best care of a right footed CB who is coming back from surgery having already spent several months out injured may not be playing him at left CB with a similarly recently returned and still somewhat ginger CB.

Let's hope you're right, and in four matches time those odds remain 200/1.

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Time to play our own
at 12:24 4 Mar 2025

Pick your eleven for Saturday from the players you *know* are here next season then and who are not out injured, ie Field or Kolli, please.

Bear in mind, too, 51 points were required to stay up last season and QPR are currently on 44, -3 goals, with eleven games left (including Leeds, Burnley home, and WBA, Sunderland, Boro away).

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Time to play our own
at 11:40 4 Mar 2025

"off the top of my head"! I'd have to do a bit of research, just off to try and earn a living but will return.

ps. we don't know which of our current loanees are truly just loanees, nor which of our out of contract players are out the door players. Play your best team...

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Time to play our own
at 11:27 4 Mar 2025

This is a mental thread. My season ticket is for the current season so can I watch the players in the squad now please? We might be dead before 25/26.

Play the best players you have at your disposal every week, for every match - form and fitness permitting. That's what managers should always do.

Two thirds of the squad are out of contract in three months and nobody here can know whether Steve Cook, Kenny Paal or Michi Frey are any more likely to be QPR players than Koki Saito or Ronnie Edwards in August. Should we just not play any of them? Who's playing left back against Leeds, then?

QPR have had some pretty grim March/April results in the past - do we just write these months off with the U23s and hope that we don't really still need two or three wins. (We need two or three wins).

AND there are many many many QPR loan players I have enjoyed watching and felt more affection for than most of the QPR signed squad members they played with.

Off the top of my head, here's a QPR loanee team, all of whom I enjoyed watching and who were in several cases much loveable than the QPR players they joined. Some only played a few games, some signed at the end of their loan, some saved the team from certain relegation, some helped us to glory...

Here, this team would hand our current team its arse:

Lee Camp
Kyle Walker
Danny Shittu
Darren Ward
Mark Kennedy
Stefan Johanson
Niko Krancjar
Ravel Morrison
Lee Cook
Adel Taarabt
Heidar Helguson

Subs
Nahki Wells
Inigo Idiakez
Andros Townsend
Michael Mancienne
Jerome Thomas
Geoff Cameron
Jimmy Smith

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QPR finances released
at 12:07 23 Feb 2025

This is the biggest myth in football. Even if we had 40k in every other week and a huge nightclub filled to the brim on site five nights a week and rented out office space or whatever, we'd still need owners to pour money in. Even if we doubled the attendance at the very best it's worth another £5 million a year, ie a month off for Reuben.

The PL clubs, with all those packed grounds charging all that money, with all that TV money, lost a combined £1bn last year.

Only four league clubs across all four divisions made any profits in the last set of accounts, three of those were less that £250k and only Brentford made profits in the millions and that was just £4.5 million- probably enough to pay Carvalho's wage for less than a season. Two of the clubs in profit are two with the smallest grounds in Prem, Bournemouth and Brentford. Two of of the biggest brand names with huge grounds made some of the biggest loses, Chelsea and Man U.

Only two things can improve a club's finances:

Selling players for sums which are significantly larger than what you've spent on them.
Reducing wages (not happening while nations states buy clubs and Saudi are growing their league).

Hold on to the ground at all costs. It's the only tangible thing QPR has, and the iceberg is coming towards English football.

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Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well
at 07:37 11 Feb 2025

WTF has Miriam Margolis comparing Jews to Nazis got to do with QPR?!

Please, someone lock this thread. I beg you. My family were various murdered or made refugees in the Holocaust. I come here to read about QPR. I accidentally, sleepily clicked on this this morning and whatever your opinion made from your armchair in the West is, it is too nuanced for anonymous debate made up of old clips of cranky 80-something actresses sitting in their Australian living rooms and then repurposed for whatever reason you have here.

If you wanna go debate about the Middle East and/or Israel's right to exist, if you wanna compare Jews to Nazis (which is AS) then there are many other places to do so on the Internet I am sure other than QPR messageboards.

I come here to argue about Michi Frey and Christian Nourry. This is all revolting nonsense.

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Frey
at 17:08 7 Feb 2025

Without getting all "Lassel" on the thread.

Players salaries are widely known in football. There are no secrets. Wages are declared to everyone from agents to letting agents, leaked from many sources. They are absolutely in circulation if you know who to ask (I don't: football websites might). Christian Nourry can no more control that than Gianni Paladini.

I saw Frey's through a totally different (and completely flukey) source, one that is 100% authenticated and I have absolutely no business knowing what he earns! I'm about 100 people removed from the source. He's on more than that website suggests.

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Frey
at 15:58 7 Feb 2025

Let's imagine that those sums are correct (Frey's is conservative)...

Let's also assume that these do not include the new contracts for Chair, Morgan, Lloyd.

I don't think, if you look at everyone's wages on that list, that there is a remote possibility that Nourry and co will renew Cook, Fox and Frey unless they come down in half at least. Fox and Frey are on twice as much as Field, Dunne, Smyth etc according to this. And Cook is on twice as much as either Frey or Fox. And they're all over 30 and they've all had injuries this season and last.

I'm not sure Marcus Rashford is a necessarily a realistic benchmark either. I think Dembele being on 178k and Nardi being on 780k is closer to the range we will shop in.

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Frey
at 14:57 7 Feb 2025

I regret very much mentioning that he's well paid. I don't know any' footballer's wages. I have no interest in it But I have seen his. It'll never happen again. And if does it, I promise I won't mention it on a message board like a moron.

Let's just say that on the Footy Stats website they've mentioned an annual salary of 936,000 euros. I wonder where they got that from?

https://footystats.org/players/switzerland/michael-frey

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Frey
at 14:28 7 Feb 2025

As I say, I know I'm out of step with opinion here. But I do think the healthy contracts of senior players in their 30s ending are always huge opportunities for clubs. We thank them, we celebrate them, we hire replacements who provide value. Michi Frey will not do that.

He missed a big chunk of last season injured. He's missed a big chunk of this season injured. Hopefully he's available until May now...let's see.

I'd love him to be available every week, scoring lots, causing problems, bringing players into play as he can. Seems a good lad and a useful player. His career up until this month suggests he'll have more long periods out, though. And he's 31 in July.

Who knows. But re-signing an injury-prone 31 year-old striker on a healthy wage doesn't strike me as a very QPR 2025 move.

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Swindon
at 09:17 7 Feb 2025

Ahem.

Another disastrous milestone for washed-up old Ian Holloway after his team's 5-1 victory away from home in their last match.

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Frey
at 17:36 6 Feb 2025

I like him, he plays a very valuable role. He knows what he's doing. Seems a good sort.

He's 31 this year. He's on an eye-watering weekly. He is regularly injured.

He's scored six goals in 20 games, one assist so far this season.

I sometimes think just as much as "do not fall in love with loan players", it's important that fans do not "stay in love with players in their 30s whose contracts run out in the summer".

I can't off the top of my head think of a single 30-something player who we've not renewed and subsequently come to regret leaving.

I know how unpopular this opinion probably is the week he scored in a win.

Ask yourself, though, if we were signing a 31 year old journeyman striker who had only hit double figures three times in the last ten seasons of second tier European football and had missed several months of the previous two seasons injured, just how happy you'd be?

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Out of contract (again)
at 16:52 6 Feb 2025

It's definitely more than one player's wages, so that would make sense.

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Out of contract (again)
at 16:39 6 Feb 2025

He's the only player in the history of football whose wage I know for a fact: think of a sum you imagine he might be on per week, double it, add some more money to it.

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Out of contract (again)
at 16:11 6 Feb 2025

He'll be 31! He's on over five figures a week (and the rest). It's do-able.

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Out of contract (again)
at 15:50 6 Feb 2025

Frey's scored six goals in 20 league games this season. One assist. I mean, it's OK if you're the second striker on £3k a week. He is not remotely on £3k a week.

For context, Rayan Kolli has scored four goals in 15 league appearances, two assists. He's 11 years younger and not really a lone striker.

So it's not like replacing Clive Allen, even if Frey does an important job currently. But nobody had heard of him before we signed him and we can definitely find someone else we've never heard of who can do the same job who's a bit younger and quite a lot cheaper.

And we replaced Clive Allen with Gary Bannister, so even that was possible.

I think Cook's experience and leadership is actually much harder to replace, so maybe they'll keep him.

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Out of contract (again)
at 14:47 6 Feb 2025

Keeping Cook and Frey: how many other positions that QPR need to fill will their wages deny?

Cook will be 34 in April. Frey will be 31 in July. They have both missed significant periods of football in the last two seasons with injuries.

They both seem like good guys, and they're very useful footballers. But they are not going to get fitter or faster - quite the reverse - and this next contract is the last for both, so they won't be cheaper either. They will cost the club millions between them each season and (particularly in Cook's position) they stop younger players coming through.

I doubt we'll keep either, but I'd be *amazed* if we keep both.

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Out of contract (again)
at 10:15 6 Feb 2025

The only footballer whose wages I have ever known are Frey's through a very weird set of coincidences that will never be repeated, and I will never know anybody else's wage: if you knew how much his weekly wage in season two is, you would not be saying renew. I think we shake hands, thank him for his eight (?) goals he scored in 24/25, each one it's literal weight in gold, and try and find someone five years younger and half (at least) as expensive.

I'm sure the dressing room knows his wage (and Cook's, and Jesus, imagine Colback's given his availability) and we should perhaps factor that into what Dunne might expect from his next contract. All this explains mainly hiring young players at start of their career rather than experienced pros on final contracts, too...

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