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Reply | The QPR summer managers rumours thread
at 12:52 8 May 2025
Neither.
On the other hand , I do have a problem with pathetic public falling outs and killing any chance that we get compensation. Basically means whoever takes this job will not currently be in a job at a good level, as we have low to no means for paying a fee.
There will be 100s of people wanting it. How many of those are any good / can the board pick them out? Not holding my breath. |
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Reply | Head of Set Pieces role
at 08:46 7 May 2025
I think that’s a very normal conversation to have at a football club in 2025. There are no Ferguson’s anymore who have total authority. No real issue with the idea for me, like anything depends if they’re any good or not and *klaxon* do you trust this lot to appoint someone good?
Bigger issue is our club pleads poverty across the board - we cant do x, y, and z because FFP and the nasty lads in the prem, but we’ll hire Heads of Methodologies, Heads of Set Pieces, and the cast of Wicked no problem. |
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Reply | Season perspectives
at 18:21 5 May 2025
This thread has really given new life to the GPT Nourry tag line |
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Reply | Season perspectives
at 21:12 4 May 2025
Reading this thread is the most QPR-related fun I’ve had all week. Money well spent |
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Reply | Season perspectives
at 17:58 4 May 2025
You’ve spent a whole day telling us the club is finally stable, no one at the club really liked Marti, and our recruitment has been excellent since Nourry came in. And you now want to appeal to Orwellian tropes? You’d probably do well to read it.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears”. |
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Reply | Sunderland Match Thread
at 15:32 3 May 2025
Given him a lot of stick this season, as have many of us, and rightly so. But he’s ended the season well and looks like he might not be the lost cause we all thought he was. Fair play to him and hope to see a continuation of this next season. Well done Madsen |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 11:25 1 May 2025
This. Getting sacked as a manager is quite literally part of the job and you get very well compensated for it. If every manager out there didn’t take a job out of worry they might get sacked managers wouldn’t be coming to a league where the average tenure is 9 months.
Just like players: it’s QPR, of course they’ll be able to hire someone |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 10:30 1 May 2025
As much as we think it’s a mess and has been for years, it’s still a second tier club in London with a brand new training ground that is actually quite a nice place to work (the training facility I mean!). There will be plenty of people willing to deal with crap owners out of work. Whether they’re any good or not is a separate point, but we’re not gonna be wanting for applications [Post edited 1 May 10:30]
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Reply | (No subject) (n/t)
at 08:40 1 May 2025
(Dupe, internet!) [Post edited 1 May 8:40]
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 08:39 1 May 2025
Agree under that era the youth was crap. But that’s an issue of quality / application rather than it being the wrong strategy.
Look at BC: Scott, Semenyo, Conway, Bell - sold 3 of them for good money and the other has become a solid championship player. Getting 19-23 year olds that are good enough to get a move up a league is a better strategy than trying to sell Chair/Dickie/Dieng types within the league - given the financial situation of 90% of clubs (in my opinion). |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 20:58 30 Apr 2025
Oh yeah don’t disagree with any of that - loads of elite players come through the EFL and end up at the top (just look at the trajectory of the England squad).
I think the point is more that without the Freeman sales as Clive’s described it, you’re waiting for a generational talent to come along who is good enough to do what Eze has done rather than milking the £3-5m market for your standard sales and the odd £8-10m over priced ones we used to see Villa/Derby/Forest grace the league with. Those markets have largely dried up, hence the model we’re now pursuing is out of date.
My view, for what little it’s worth, is to focus on the 18-22 DS market and hope we can get 3/4 Eze’s in 10 years rather than 1. Long shot but at this point do we really think our European data excursions are going to be much of a shorter shot? [Post edited 30 Apr 20:59]
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 18:05 30 Apr 2025
Yeah those are fair points. I think my argument is more that to do what Brentford did you need to be able to sell Andre Gray and Scott Hogan to the wealthy championship teams, as well as an Eze and Esseh, a Webster to a prem team. If you’re just waiting for the Eze to come along it might be 10 years so the Hogans of the world keep your development linear, not a roller coaster.
The issue is the clubs that can afford to buy a Hogan now have no interest in buying them (maybe with the exception of Sheff U this season, Cannon/Campbell good analogues examples here, Boro too arguably - but the list is small).
Burnley have a back 5 worth well over 40/50m - why on earth would they want JCS? Premier league yo-yo clubs are now full of really good championship players and they’re also the only ones who can afford our best championship players that aren’t generational talents. Look at how many players are leaving for free this summer, it’s a really clear and damaging trend for clubs like us.
The sum effect of this is what we’re seeing happen in the top end of champs and bottom end of Prem; 6/7 teams too good for this league and, unless they’re willing to go and Notts Forest the thing, not good enough for above. That’s killed our market stall and the strategy. We need more Morgans/Kollis/Suttons who might be Ezes than we need JCS’/Field’s/Dunne’s who won’t be bought for cash anymore. |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 16:38 30 Apr 2025
Not a QPR specific point - but this model is broken regardless. What Brentford did is no longer achievable in the post Covid world. Clive and many others have covered this in much better prose that I can write here, but essentially the market we want to sell doesn’t exist anymore. It’s an Eze sale or nothing, we’ve missed the boat completely (just like 97 and 2015).
Bristol City and Millwall are still doing it pretty well, but unless it’s premier league buyers you’re not getting any return.
Football Ramble podcast explain this really well in recent mailbag episode if anyone wants a non qpr perspective on why our approach is doomed in the modern game |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 13:12 30 Apr 2025
Putting everything from the QPR perspective to one side - his reps haven’t done a great job of getting him another gig have they? Very public touting without much movement (Sunderland sounds like it was closest and even then not that strong?). And now he’s out on a limb hoping Norwich come in and are willing to pay something to appease Ruben and Nourry.
It’s a mess from the club, but it’s also pretty poor career management. Especially if what you say is true about an agreement being place anyway. I’d be looking for new reps! |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 11:40 30 Apr 2025
Do you think the experience with Beale has played a part in all this?
As I said in the back and forth with PadulaS I just get the sense Ruben is angry too (perhaps the stories in last week?) otherwise why wouldn’t you just agree the pay out and do it quickly, instead they go down this pretty public dressing down of Marti. It’s pathetic on their part and I can’t help but think there’s a bit of Beale derangement syndrome going on where they’re so scarred from his exploits it’s illicit this messy, childlike over reaction? |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 11:18 30 Apr 2025
Yeah totally agreed there. And I would love nothing more than them to hold their hands up, admit this is a farce and start afresh (new exec structure and new manager). But there is more chance of one of us getting the gig.
Ultimately we don’t disagree, I just don’t really think our problems begin and end with Nourry. Exactly like the manager situation now, do you trust them to hire a better CEO or DoF? My guess is no. So it’s all a bit deck chairs on the titanic until the ownership changes |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 11:06 30 Apr 2025
Yes as I think ultimately the decision has been made by higher ups. I don’t disagree CN may well be feeding them a line, but I just think to put a manager on gardening leave in a very public spat is behaviour that comes across like they’re pissed off (and pathetic). If Ruben just wanted an end to it he could overall Nourry at any point, and terminate one of their contracts etc.
The point I’ve been trying to make is that you can hate everything Nourry does, he’s only there because of the ownership and his decisions only apply with their approval. Just think they’re the biggest problem here. |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 10:49 30 Apr 2025
Bee in a bonnet much pal. I’m not saying there’s pulling of strings or conspiracy or anything like that. Who is ultimately accountable for these decisions - Ruben. Who is ultimately accountable for the decisions made under Les as DoF - Ruben.
He’s the one who says yes or no. What he’s told is another matter sure, but if you think anything like this happens without his okay and sign off I don’t know what world you live in |
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