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Reply | Another Brexit referendum
at 12:17 16 Aug 2025
I deliberately left out replying until there were a fair few posts for me to refer to. Here goes.
There were a couple of references to it only being 5/5.5 years since we left, that being too early to talk about another ref. Which is precisely why I asked what is a reasonable time. The suggestion I put, if it happened, would mean it would have been sixteen years since the ref. That's definitely not too soon in my opinion.
Others suggested that it's about time we had another ref on devolution. The two are not comparable in any way. The reason I created the thread was because of the latest poll which said that just 29% of the people polled said they'd vote leave which is an enormous drop from the 52% in the first ref.
Regarding devolution and the opinion of a number of you that another poll should be held on that, the numbers show the opposite. The original margin for devo was paper thin but the margin for extra powers in the 2011 referendum was almost 2 to 1 for the extra powers.
So in 1997 the numbers against devo were just under 50%, in the 2011 ref the against numbers were 36% and in the latest poll I can find the numbers for abolition were 31%.
As I say, no comparison.
Many talk about the low calibre (in their opinion) of the members of the Senedd being an argument for abolishing. It's an equally valid suggestion that the low calibre (in my opinion) of the Conservative Westminster governments from 2010 - 2024 is an argument for abolishing Westminster. They had power for fourteen years and left behind an absolute shambles of a country. And people want THEM to be in charge !
The comments about levels of investment outside of the SE are spot on. Hopefully Labour will be voted out next year and Plaid will be in charge. Please God not Reform. The mindset of a lot of people will be radically changed if Plaid do what they say they will do and spread investment properly so that the rest of us see more benefits.. |
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Reply | Merthyr
at 09:12 10 Aug 2025
I agree. |
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Reply | One in one out
at 22:20 9 Aug 2025
I'll be happy enough with Plaid governing Wales ohl. But if the rather unlikely scenario that they were running the UK came about I certainly wouldn't feel different. In my opinion it was a rubbish idea and i've never heard anything from the Tories that might explain how it could have been successful. |
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Reply | One in one out
at 18:24 9 Aug 2025
The Rwanda scheme would only have involved 500 at most so I never thought it would do anything much. And if the Tories really thought it may have worked surely they would have waited to call the election. We all knew that they were going to get hammered but if by some chance the scheme turned out to be a success they would have done so much better. So why didn't they wait a while.
And something else re the scheme. Only a few days ago I found out that if an asylum seeker had been sent to Rwanda and that person committed a crime Rwanda could return them.
I wonder how many of them would have stolen a car perhaps. 500 maybe ? |
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Thread | Another Brexit referendum
at 18:22 5 Aug 2025
When the question of whether there should be another referendum has been asked people have quite rightly said that it's too early. They said that Brexit needs to be given a reasonable length of time in order for us to come to understand if leave was the right decision or not. That is a perfectly fair point. It's also a fair question now to ask what is a reasonable length of time.
I made this point in another thread. If Labour go into the next GE on a platform of holding another Brexit ref the actual referendum won't take place until about 2032/33 because of the complexity involved. That will be sixteen years after the first referendum.
To my mind that is more than long enough.
And the result of the latest Brexit opinion poll means it's becoming a definite when not if another ref should be held.
Leave won the first ref with 52% of the vote. The latest poll said that just 29% of the people questioned said they'd vote leave again. That means that 44% of the people who voted leave have changed their mind if you extrapolate the poll result across the country.
I know it's only one poll but polls over the last three years have consistently shown a drop in support for leave and an increase in support for remain.
It's becoming impossible to ignore. What if the next poll shows 25% ? What if the next shows 22% and then maybe 20% or less ?
It's going to happen people. The only question is when. |
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Reply | Trump & the other one
at 11:05 2 Aug 2025
Here's a different way of looking at it.
Trump stood on those steps and said the UK should cut taxes and cut immigration. In other words, do what I do/did. By doing that he was saying that our tax and immigration laws are wrong and should be changed.
What would happen if Keir Starmer, on a visit to America, stood on the steps of the White House and said America's gun laws are wrong and should be changed similar to ours. What would happen is Trump would blow his top there and then and tell him where to go.
And he'd be right to do so. It's not the job of KS to tell the President of America how he should govern. And it's not Trump's place to tell the UK either. Those photo opportunities (which is all they're meant to be) are simply for the politicians to spout some fairly meaningless guff and smile to the camera. And the rough stuff should happen behind closed doors.
You all make jokes about Starmer standing there smiling. Would you expect him or the leader of any other country in a similar situation to start a blazing row there in front of the cameras like Trump would ? While he had his rictus grin on he was almost certainly thinking 'what is this absolute f'ing clown going to say next'.
A lot of people would possibly argue that it's a good thing that Trump is not a 'normal' politician. That it's a good thing to shake things up the way he does. I don't. He should say what he thinks behind closed doors and keep his enormous trap shut in front of the cameras.
What would your reaction be if Macron did it ? It would almost certainly be that he should sod off back to France and look after his own country. And the same would apply to any other leader who did the same. So why is it okay for Trump to do it ? |
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Reply | WEALTH TAX
at 18:19 30 Jul 2025
It appears that not many of you watched the video so many of the points being made are completely at odds with what is being proposed. I thought all of you would have heard in the news that the tax would be on people with a net value of in excess of £10 million. So i'll give a basic explanation.
The proposal is for a 2% tax on wealth over £10 million. So if you're worth less than £10 million you'll pay nothing. I heard someone saying (can't remember who) that the £10 million wouldn't include your main residence. Not certain about that one.
Example. If you're worth £11 million you'll pay the 2% on the £1 million over the threshold. So that's £20,000. Not exactly a ball breaker if you're worth that amount. If you allow for the fact that these people are rich because they know how to make money it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that they'll probably increase their wealth by 5% a year. So the £11 million man will pay £20,000 tax while increasing his net value by £550,000.
Patriotic millionaires was mentioned. Well worth checking out. |
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Reply | Here comes the summer transfer rumour thread
at 22:39 27 Jul 2025
This happens in so many threads. This is just one example.
If someone offends you then sort it out with that person. Privately. And I don't mean a punch up. I mean a civilized discussion. Like grown ups. |
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Reply | Wrexham 😂
at 09:22 26 Jul 2025
What a great day that was. |
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Thread | WEALTH TAX
at 18:53 24 Jul 2025
Andrew Marr interviewed a guy called Gary Stevenson on this subject.
Well worth a look. |
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Reply | King Charles pay rise. Where from?
at 18:50 24 Jul 2025
This is not worth a thread in itself but it does highlight the fact that in relation to the monarchy we are living in the distant past.
A couple of weeks ago on the news they were reporting on the annual population count of the King's swans.
I have to emphasise here, THIS IS NOT A JOKE.
There's a bloke called the King's Swans counter (or something stupidly similar). Every year one of his jobs is to conduct a count of the swans along a particular stretch of the Thames. Because, apparently, they belong to the King.
This is not the 14th/15th/16th century. It's the 21st century. Why are we, the British people, so stupid that we put up with this absolute garbage. |
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