| Would you say this was racist? on 18:03 - Oct 6 with 25803 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Yes.
Considering a number of men in that picture are performing what look like Nazi salutes suggest the motivation behind the banner was as a racist tool. |  |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:06 - Oct 6 with 25800 views | C_jack |
The accompaniment of the word 'pussy' suggests strongly that it was meant in a derogatory manner. |  |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:07 - Oct 6 with 25792 views | Brynmill_Jack |
F*ck me are you seriously asking this question? |  |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:11 - Oct 6 with 25779 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:03 - Oct 6 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Yes.
Considering a number of men in that picture are performing what look like Nazi salutes suggest the motivation behind the banner was as a racist tool. |
The punishment was the result of the sign.
As already mentioned - isn't it more an insult or derogatory, rather than 'racist'? |  |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:11 - Oct 6 with 25775 views | Darran |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:07 - Oct 6 by Brynmill_Jack |
F*ck me are you seriously asking this question? |
I agree Brynnie it's f*cking stinking and if I was still a mod it would be gone by now |  |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:14 - Oct 6 with 25761 views | C_jack |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:11 - Oct 6 by Darran |
I agree Brynnie it's f*cking stinking and if I was still a mod it would be gone by now |
Hopefully it'll disappear once the answer becomes apparent. | |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:17 - Oct 6 with 25739 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:11 - Oct 6 by JackoBoostardo |
The punishment was the result of the sign.
As already mentioned - isn't it more an insult or derogatory, rather than 'racist'? |
do you not think that a sign, for example, which is derogatory and/or insulting based purely on someone's race or ethnicity is actually exactly what racist means??? What on earth do you think racism is if not what you've just defined? |  | | |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:21 - Oct 6 with 25711 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:17 - Oct 6 by londonlisa2001 |
do you not think that a sign, for example, which is derogatory and/or insulting based purely on someone's race or ethnicity is actually exactly what racist means??? What on earth do you think racism is if not what you've just defined? |
He is a religion hater Lisa, probably going to argue the case that the Jews aren't a race. Which is strictly true but hatred is hatred. Imagine having a banner like that with anti Islamic sentiments when Al Arabi come over for a friendly or playing a Turkish side in the CL. There would be uproar! | |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:24 - Oct 6 with 25695 views | Jackfath |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:21 - Oct 6 by Brynmill_Jack |
He is a religion hater Lisa, probably going to argue the case that the Jews aren't a race. Which is strictly true but hatred is hatred. Imagine having a banner like that with anti Islamic sentiments when Al Arabi come over for a friendly or playing a Turkish side in the CL. There would be uproar! |
Why on earth would a set of football fans want to take that into a football match?
Disgraceful.
The OP should have a spell on the sidelines for posting it on here. |  |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:24 - Oct 6 with 25700 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:21 - Oct 6 by Brynmill_Jack |
He is a religion hater Lisa, probably going to argue the case that the Jews aren't a race. Which is strictly true but hatred is hatred. Imagine having a banner like that with anti Islamic sentiments when Al Arabi come over for a friendly or playing a Turkish side in the CL. There would be uproar! |
Being Jewish is of course both a race and a religion, hence it is perfectly possible for somebody to be a non religious Jew. (I know you know that and I'm not entirely certain why I'm trying to point it out to someone that asked that question in the first place but ho hum). I sometimes think I'm living (or some of us are living) in an entirely different world to others. | | | |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:27 - Oct 6 with 25683 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:24 - Oct 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Being Jewish is of course both a race and a religion, hence it is perfectly possible for somebody to be a non religious Jew. (I know you know that and I'm not entirely certain why I'm trying to point it out to someone that asked that question in the first place but ho hum). I sometimes think I'm living (or some of us are living) in an entirely different world to others. |
You live and have lived in London for years Lis so you know the score. I swear some on here haven't crossed the bridge yet ........... | |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:33 - Oct 6 with 25655 views | perchrockjack |
Considering Serbian history no real surprise. Nasty vicious bastards | |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:34 - Oct 6 with 25653 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:27 - Oct 6 by Brynmill_Jack |
You live and have lived in London for years Lis so you know the score. I swear some on here haven't crossed the bridge yet ........... |
let's hope that they don't then since they'll just make people think that the Welsh are still living in 1972. | | | |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:36 - Oct 6 with 25638 views | controversial_jack |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:24 - Oct 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Being Jewish is of course both a race and a religion, hence it is perfectly possible for somebody to be a non religious Jew. (I know you know that and I'm not entirely certain why I'm trying to point it out to someone that asked that question in the first place but ho hum). I sometimes think I'm living (or some of us are living) in an entirely different world to others. |
It's not a race it is just a religion | | | |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:36 - Oct 6 with 25636 views | Dewi1jack |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:27 - Oct 6 by Brynmill_Jack |
You live and have lived in London for years Lis so you know the score. I swear some on here haven't crossed the bridge yet ........... |
Not only have they not crossed the bridge Bryn, they're still at the bottom of the pond trying to get on the evolutionary scale. |  |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:43 - Oct 6 with 25613 views | JackoBoostardo |
Wow.... so may self-righteous people here tonight! Sensitive dabs.
Going back to the question, and the point in question - what here is different to what we see against US as a club?!
So get off your high horses - it's a valid question! We've seen signs calling us "Sheepshaggers" and "welsh c*nts".
And no, this thread isn't condoning anything - it's to get a debate going! Too many people seem lively enough to jump in to think the worst all the time of people.
Source of the photo? Dailymail. | |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:44 - Oct 6 with 25602 views | Jackfath |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:43 - Oct 6 by JackoBoostardo |
Wow.... so may self-righteous people here tonight! Sensitive dabs.
Going back to the question, and the point in question - what here is different to what we see against US as a club?!
So get off your high horses - it's a valid question! We've seen signs calling us "Sheepshaggers" and "welsh c*nts".
And no, this thread isn't condoning anything - it's to get a debate going! Too many people seem lively enough to jump in to think the worst all the time of people.
Source of the photo? Dailymail. |
I have not seen a sign saying anything you've mentioned. Ever. | |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:48 - Oct 6 with 25587 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:17 - Oct 6 by londonlisa2001 |
do you not think that a sign, for example, which is derogatory and/or insulting based purely on someone's race or ethnicity is actually exactly what racist means??? What on earth do you think racism is if not what you've just defined? |
Which is one of my points Lisa.
Racism isn't often seen down our stadium - which is a good thing. But we tend to accept we're being called " Welsh Sheepshaggers" even though, and as you say, it's derogatory.
Haven't seen any other clubs get penalised like this though for being racially derogatory towards us. | |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:50 - Oct 6 with 25572 views | Jackfath |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:48 - Oct 6 by JackoBoostardo |
Which is one of my points Lisa.
Racism isn't often seen down our stadium - which is a good thing. But we tend to accept we're being called " Welsh Sheepshaggers" even though, and as you say, it's derogatory.
Haven't seen any other clubs get penalised like this though for being racially derogatory towards us. |
Have you reported your concerns to the race relations board?
I always was led to believe any derogatory comments against us were classed as banter. Much as the Ultras often tell us all that England is full of shit. | |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:50 - Oct 6 with 25576 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:44 - Oct 6 by Jackfath |
I have not seen a sign saying anything you've mentioned. Ever. |
Seen a couple myself - just not made a big deal of it. However, thought I'd raise the question here as I saw this story....Semi-expecting a more mature discussion of it maybe?
Clearly not. [Post edited 6 Oct 2014 18:58]
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| Would you say this was racist? on 18:52 - Oct 6 with 25563 views | C_jack |
The difference is (well 99% of us), don't actually shag sheep.
Showing hatred for a religion is slightly different than mocking a stereotype. | |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 19:00 - Oct 6 with 25522 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:52 - Oct 6 by C_jack |
The difference is (well 99% of us), don't actually shag sheep.
Showing hatred for a religion is slightly different than mocking a stereotype. |
How can you determine, from this sign, that there is "hatred"?
Had to be there I suppose. Anyway - the discussion is lost of most here. 'Let's all jump down someone's throat before understanding the point' brigade are in full effect tonight. | |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 19:01 - Oct 6 with 25520 views | Darran |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:52 - Oct 6 by C_jack |
The difference is (well 99% of us), don't actually shag sheep.
Showing hatred for a religion is slightly different than mocking a stereotype. |
Oldjacks in that 1%.
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| Would you say this was racist? on 19:02 - Oct 6 with 25512 views | ScoobyWho |
| Would you say this was racist? on 18:11 - Oct 6 by Darran |
I agree Brynnie it's f*cking stinking and if I was still a mod it would be gone by now |
I am a great believer in serious debate regards peoples opinions on these matters. The catalyst is the picture, if its managed appropriately as an adult topic for discussion it should stay. |  |
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| Would you say this was racist? on 19:04 - Oct 6 with 25502 views | JackoBoostardo |
| Would you say this was racist? on 19:02 - Oct 6 by ScoobyWho |
I am a great believer in serious debate regards peoples opinions on these matters. The catalyst is the picture, if its managed appropriately as an adult topic for discussion it should stay. |
Well that was the aim. The intention of the photo was to show people what we're talking about - as clearly the link doesn't show it and not everyone will know what it said.
We can't erase something that's already happened.
The source of the image was the Daily Mail by the way. [Post edited 6 Oct 2014 19:06]
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