| Mansion Tax 19:40 - Mar 28 with 9079 views | union_jack |
Not sure how much sympathy i will get here, but Labour's proposal of a mansion tax is a cheap shot IMO.
Have they not heard of 'asset rich, cash poor?' |  |
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| Mansion Tax on 12:35 - Mar 29 with 1023 views | skippyjack |
| Mansion Tax on 11:18 - Mar 29 by JackSomething |
As someone who works in a deprived area with people who are affected by a lot of these measures (I am not affected personally and I'd guess you're not either), I'd be interested to hear exactly which you think were needed.
I can say with absolute certainty that the changes to JSA (Work Programme and Universal Jobmatch) have been incredibly expensive abject failures. Universal Credit is on the way and I can promise you that it's going to be absolute carnage for many people. |
It's for advertising purposes.. The Universal Job match is for advertisement and online agencies bank balance.. It's straight forward.. The majority of people on benefits are unskilled Labourers like myself.. Even the cleaning jobs are already taken.. It was created for advertisement purposes and benefit claimants clicks.. It's there to make money.. Not to create jobs..
Give me a job! #jobforskippy #unskilled.. I love a bit of false advertisement.. |  |
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| Mansion Tax on 12:38 - Mar 29 with 1021 views | union_jack |
| Mansion Tax on 11:46 - Mar 29 by exiledclaseboy |
If I'm being serious, the same adjectives could be used to describe the mansion tax but as yet that's yet to be implemented, impact assessed and it will affect far less people than the bedroom tax and many of those will be in a position to pay the levy anyway. As Johnllangy has mentioned above, there should be help in place for those who will struggle to pay it and I'm sure there will be. |
Yes, it can / will be deferred until sale I believe. Whether the initial amount will incur interest over time I don't know but then it essentially becomes a sales tax. | |
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| Mansion Tax on 12:41 - Mar 29 with 1012 views | union_jack |
| Mansion Tax on 12:35 - Mar 29 by skippyjack |
It's for advertising purposes.. The Universal Job match is for advertisement and online agencies bank balance.. It's straight forward.. The majority of people on benefits are unskilled Labourers like myself.. Even the cleaning jobs are already taken.. It was created for advertisement purposes and benefit claimants clicks.. It's there to make money.. Not to create jobs..
Give me a job! #jobforskippy #unskilled.. I love a bit of false advertisement.. |
Why not tell us all on here what you can or are prepared to do. You never know! | |
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| Mansion Tax on 12:44 - Mar 29 with 1010 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Mansion Tax on 12:33 - Mar 29 by union_jack |
The thing is Clasey, and you know this, many benefit claimants are cheats and could easily work if there was work available. In fact I'd wager many of them are supporting the black economy.
So many claimants are savvy about the process and brazen in their approach. Hob lope into an interview on crutches. No medical practitioner can argue against what they see and so benefits are given. The next day they'll be labour intensive for a mate cash in hand. This is not a one-off scenario I can tell you.
To be more thorough needs more administration which costs (I'm starting to sound like a stuck record here) and even then many will get what they don't deserve and vice versa. |
Much housing benefit (which is what the bedroom tax affects) is paid to people who are working. Your point about administration isn't valid because the bedroom tax isn't applied universally so the administration work is already there. This isn't just affecting the workshy, and even if it was there's still no excuse for trying to force people out of homes they've lived in for years into smaller houses that don't actually exist. It's policymaking of the worst kind. |  |
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| Mansion Tax on 12:49 - Mar 29 with 1004 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Mansion Tax on 12:38 - Mar 29 by union_jack |
Yes, it can / will be deferred until sale I believe. Whether the initial amount will incur interest over time I don't know but then it essentially becomes a sales tax. |
In that case I fully support it. | |
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| Mansion Tax on 12:52 - Mar 29 with 1000 views | skippyjack |
| Mansion Tax on 12:41 - Mar 29 by union_jack |
Why not tell us all on here what you can or are prepared to do. You never know! |
I'm not sure union_jack.. I've always been considered rubbish at everything.. What am I prepared to do?.. How do I prepare?. | |
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| Mansion Tax on 12:54 - Mar 29 with 997 views | union_jack |
| Mansion Tax on 12:44 - Mar 29 by exiledclaseboy |
Much housing benefit (which is what the bedroom tax affects) is paid to people who are working. Your point about administration isn't valid because the bedroom tax isn't applied universally so the administration work is already there. This isn't just affecting the workshy, and even if it was there's still no excuse for trying to force people out of homes they've lived in for years into smaller houses that don't actually exist. It's policymaking of the worst kind. |
Your last sentence here applies to 'victims' of the Mansion Tax. There will be many people affected by this. Either that or a tax bill looming over their heads until sale. But you don't give a flying one about these people. How very socialist if you. | |
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| Mansion Tax on 13:00 - Mar 29 with 990 views | union_jack |
| Mansion Tax on 12:52 - Mar 29 by skippyjack |
I'm not sure union_jack.. I've always been considered rubbish at everything.. What am I prepared to do?.. How do I prepare?. |
Oh come on now Skip. You're playing me here.
This faux feeling sorry for yourself is just trying to make a point (which I'm not sure I understand).
If I take your rants over the many months as genuine (???) then why not say what you can do or are prepared to do (sensibly of course) and maybe someone in here could help you out.
But as I say, maybe we are all getting played?? | |
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| Mansion Tax on 13:05 - Mar 29 with 980 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Mansion Tax on 12:54 - Mar 29 by union_jack |
Your last sentence here applies to 'victims' of the Mansion Tax. There will be many people affected by this. Either that or a tax bill looming over their heads until sale. But you don't give a flying one about these people. How very socialist if you. |
Say what? I've already said that there should be help available for those who will struggle to pay and you've confirmed that there will be. We're continually being told that money needs to be raised so I'm content to see that some will be raised from those who can afford to pay a bit more. I doubt anyone living in a house worth £2m will be left destitute by this and nor should they be. That threshold will rise as house prices rise so that it's not an arbitrary charge. There will be protection for the "cash poor/asset rich that you're so concerned about. There are about 100,000 properties that will be affected by this, the vast majority in the south east of England.
One of the basic tenets of socialism is a fairer distribution of wealth and that those who can afford to pay more should do. So yes, I fully support this proposal and it is very socialist. Unusually for today's Labour Party.
Interesting that you've taken up the cudgels on behalf of the poor dabs who live in houses worth £2m or more but are silent on the "bedroom tax" which affects far more people and people who can least afford it. Outrage when the better off are affected, silence when you can demonise "benefit cheats" and justify taking money from them. How very conservative of you. | |
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| Mansion Tax on 13:13 - Mar 29 with 971 views | JackSomething |
| Mansion Tax on 12:44 - Mar 29 by exiledclaseboy |
Much housing benefit (which is what the bedroom tax affects) is paid to people who are working. Your point about administration isn't valid because the bedroom tax isn't applied universally so the administration work is already there. This isn't just affecting the workshy, and even if it was there's still no excuse for trying to force people out of homes they've lived in for years into smaller houses that don't actually exist. It's policymaking of the worst kind. |
In work poverty is a fast-growing problem, especially with the rise in zero hour contracts and the like.
When it comes to benefit cheats, I think UnionJack has a point (although I think he's tarring the majority unfairly) and I'd be interested to see if Dr Winston agrees. The only way I can see to sort that out though is to invest in a more robust investigative process to catch those people out. Unfortunately, that costs too much money, so the government approach is to draft policies which hurt everyone. Of course, the expert benefit cheats still find ways around it and so only innocent people are affected.
On the subject of people having to prove they should be allowed to vote, I'm due to be a Poll Clerk for the first time in May. I'm thinking that by the end of a very long day, I'll be fully in support of this! |  |
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| Mansion Tax on 13:13 - Mar 29 with 971 views | union_jack |
| Mansion Tax on 13:05 - Mar 29 by exiledclaseboy |
Say what? I've already said that there should be help available for those who will struggle to pay and you've confirmed that there will be. We're continually being told that money needs to be raised so I'm content to see that some will be raised from those who can afford to pay a bit more. I doubt anyone living in a house worth £2m will be left destitute by this and nor should they be. That threshold will rise as house prices rise so that it's not an arbitrary charge. There will be protection for the "cash poor/asset rich that you're so concerned about. There are about 100,000 properties that will be affected by this, the vast majority in the south east of England.
One of the basic tenets of socialism is a fairer distribution of wealth and that those who can afford to pay more should do. So yes, I fully support this proposal and it is very socialist. Unusually for today's Labour Party.
Interesting that you've taken up the cudgels on behalf of the poor dabs who live in houses worth £2m or more but are silent on the "bedroom tax" which affects far more people and people who can least afford it. Outrage when the better off are affected, silence when you can demonise "benefit cheats" and justify taking money from them. How very conservative of you. |
Thank you.
I thought one of the basic tenets of socialism was overall fairness. The Mansion Tax is not. Basing a tax on anything other than income is wrong. Assets may be capitalized but not necessarily easy or without detriment. That simply is not fair on a large number of people.
More should be put into the BILLIONS in tax evasion mainly by foreign corporate businesses rather than a petty, spiteful tax encouraging the 'chip on their shoulder' voters to vote Labour.
Off to Currys now to spend my millions!! | |
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| Mansion Tax on 13:19 - Mar 29 with 965 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Mansion Tax on 13:13 - Mar 29 by union_jack |
Thank you.
I thought one of the basic tenets of socialism was overall fairness. The Mansion Tax is not. Basing a tax on anything other than income is wrong. Assets may be capitalized but not necessarily easy or without detriment. That simply is not fair on a large number of people.
More should be put into the BILLIONS in tax evasion mainly by foreign corporate businesses rather than a petty, spiteful tax encouraging the 'chip on their shoulder' voters to vote Labour.
Off to Currys now to spend my millions!! |
We're not going to agree on the Mansion Tax. I support it, you don't. No one will be left destitute by this and no one is going to be landed with a bill they can't afford to pay. I assume you will be affected by this hence your anger, that's understandable. I'm not affected by either this or the bedroom tax so maybe I'm more objective than you.
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| Mansion Tax on 13:45 - Mar 29 with 938 views | Lohengrin |
As regards the so-called Bedroom Tax if I were to post here in the guise of a Socialist pedagogue then I should be demanding that those in receipt of a levy for such ought instead to have been issued with eviction notices.
A belief in decency and fairness is incompatible with the practical application of Utilitarianism in extremis. Don't look to Socialism for a sup from the milk of human kindness you'll find it acrid and curdled. |  |
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| Mansion Tax on 13:46 - Mar 29 with 937 views | gwyn_gaseg |
Age of voting was refered to earlier. Conveniently ignored since the obvious was mentioned. Surely lohengrin did not miss it. I would expect others to pretend they did not see it. |  | | |
| Mansion Tax on 14:14 - Mar 29 with 914 views | skippyjack |
| Mansion Tax on 13:00 - Mar 29 by union_jack |
Oh come on now Skip. You're playing me here.
This faux feeling sorry for yourself is just trying to make a point (which I'm not sure I understand).
If I take your rants over the many months as genuine (???) then why not say what you can do or are prepared to do (sensibly of course) and maybe someone in here could help you out.
But as I say, maybe we are all getting played?? |
I'm being serious.. I don't know what I can do.. And it's not my decision to judge.. It's all the employers choice.. How do I prepare myself? | |
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| Mansion Tax on 14:22 - Mar 29 with 905 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Mansion Tax on 13:46 - Mar 29 by gwyn_gaseg |
Age of voting was refered to earlier. Conveniently ignored since the obvious was mentioned. Surely lohengrin did not miss it. I would expect others to pretend they did not see it. |
I saw it and am happy to admit that I didn't have a clue what point you were trying to make. | |
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| Mansion Tax on 14:27 - Mar 29 with 902 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Mansion Tax on 11:54 - Mar 29 by exiledclaseboy |
I know a number of 16 year olds who are far more politically aware than many of my own age. I we're going to restrict the franchise let's do it properly and introduce some kind of awareness test before we're allowed on the electoral register. |
Is that the same bunch of 16 yr olds like in Scotland who were allowed to vote on Independence? You know, the ones which were swayed by flag waving, the promise of riches from oil sales and 'ayeee we fcking hate the English'?
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| Mansion Tax on 14:30 - Mar 29 with 898 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Mansion Tax on 14:27 - Mar 29 by PozuelosSideys |
Is that the same bunch of 16 yr olds like in Scotland who were allowed to vote on Independence? You know, the ones which were swayed by flag waving, the promise of riches from oil sales and 'ayeee we fcking hate the English'?
That went well. |
Because it's only the 16 year olds that are swayed by such simplicity? I think not. | |
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| Mansion Tax on 15:14 - Mar 29 with 868 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Mansion Tax on 14:30 - Mar 29 by exiledclaseboy |
Because it's only the 16 year olds that are swayed by such simplicity? I think not. |
This is true. But its ok for them to vote on the direction of the country as they are deemed of sufficient mind at that age, yet not allowed to play Grand Theft Auto as it may negatively impact their emotional development and views of the real world? | |
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| Mansion Tax on 15:16 - Mar 29 with 865 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Mansion Tax on 15:14 - Mar 29 by PozuelosSideys |
This is true. But its ok for them to vote on the direction of the country as they are deemed of sufficient mind at that age, yet not allowed to play Grand Theft Auto as it may negatively impact their emotional development and views of the real world? |
Or conversely, we allow them to join the army, get married and have sex at that age. All of those are far more significant and life affecting decisions than voting in an election. | |
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| Mansion Tax on 17:14 - Mar 29 with 834 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Mansion Tax on 23:08 - Mar 28 by exiledclaseboy |
As opposed to Tory policies where demonising the less fortunate and trite cliches about socialism are all the rage? Most of the bitterness in British politics lies on the right who remain convinced that everyone on benefits is taking the piss.
The mansion tax is fine by me. It's symbolic and will affect few. I'm not about to shed tears for the asset rich/cash poor. As Private Partz has already pointed out, no ne has given a sh*t about the cash poor/asset poor over this past five years. So I'm not about to shed any tears for anyone who may be eligible to pay this gimmicky tax
I'd also extend the franchise to 16 year olds. If you want up engage kids in their own futures, let them have a say. |
A tax which is symbolic and will affect few will by definition raise sod all for the public purse.
So what exactly is the point other than gesture politics designed to appeal to the simplistic? |  | | |
| Mansion Tax on 17:17 - Mar 29 with 832 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Mansion Tax on 17:14 - Mar 29 by londonlisa2001 |
A tax which is symbolic and will affect few will by definition raise sod all for the public purse.
So what exactly is the point other than gesture politics designed to appeal to the simplistic? |
You're wrong, it'll raise £1,2bn, I used the word symbolic to highlight the relative few it will affect. And even if it was purely and only symbolic and raised less than that, there's not necessarily anything wrong with something that shows that it's not just the non-well off who are being asked to drag the country of the hole we didn't create.
Oh and by the way "appealing to the simplistic" is just a silly thing to say. [Post edited 29 Mar 2015 17:19]
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| Mansion Tax on 17:25 - Mar 29 with 825 views | karnataka |
| Mansion Tax on 08:59 - Mar 29 by exiledclaseboy |
Shame that it's aimed at forcing people to leave homes they've rented for years and raised families in and move into smaller properties that don't exist in the numbers required to make the policy effective even isn't it?
If you're looking for ill thought out and spiteful policies, forget the mansion tax and look no further than the "spare room subsidy". But let's not worry about those affected and instead concentrate our concern on the relative few who may be affected by living in a property worth millions. Poor dabs.
How typically and unedifyingly Tory. [Post edited 29 Mar 2015 9:01]
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Absolutely spot on.
A friend of ours is an extremely hard working girl and her husband has serious back problems and can't work. They'd lived in their council house for 27 years and their eldest son moved out when he got married around about the time the bedroom tax/spare room subsidy was brought in. Within 3 years, they were £2.5k in arrears with their rent because their rent subsidy had been cut due to this "spare room" which is actually very small. They were a week from eviction and we were fortunate enough to be able to pay their arrears for them so they could stay where they wanted to be. Fair? f*cking bollocks it's fair. It'll take them a long time to repay us and I don't care if they never do tbh but I'm just hoping someone gets in soon who will get rid of this petty, spiteful rule and if that means the balance will be partially redressed by tw4ts like Mylene Klass having to stump up a miniscule %age of their disproportionate wealth, then so much the better.
And if it sounds like I'm angry, yes, I am f*cking angry. [Post edited 29 Mar 2015 17:27]
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