| Where do we start? 18:10 - Aug 8 with 10216 views | LowExpectations |
There is one main reason we lost today, and that was due to the lack of tactical awareness from our manager Chris Ramsey. When playing a team known for their strength, height and overall reliance on physical prowess, it may seem simple to realise "hey, maybe we should play to their weaknesses", however, Chris Ramsey is oblivious to this. The only tactic seen today was what I call "The Sunday League kickabout". This 'tactic' entails kicking the ball as hard as you can to the striker and pray for the best, though it looks like we were praying to the wrong God. Austin was invisible except from a few good lay offs and shots early on in the game, though it seemed he was more interested in keeping himself fit so he can pass the medical for his new club (maybe Chris' idea?), and the least said about Henry the better. Despite this there was a player that stood out from the rest, and that was... Jamie Mackie. Despite many claiming he lacks the skill, I believe his passes and dribbling were menacing, though this can't be said for his woeful shot that was rewarded with a corner... Just. Moreover, when you bring on a 6"3 striker who is known for his aerial ability, you don't stick him on corner duty, you put him the key target man in the box. Despite the midfield and attacking performance (excluding Luongo who showed promise), the defence was relatively solid, and you can't blame them for the superb Tony Watt's goal. What are your thoughts about the game? |  | | |  |
| Where do we start? on 11:07 - Aug 9 with 2133 views | WeaverQPR |
I think Ramsey is the weak link, i'm relatively happy with the signings, its Ramsey ability to mould a team or tighten up the defence i have massive concerns |  |
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| Where do we start? on 11:26 - Aug 9 with 2087 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Where do we start? on 10:44 - Aug 9 by stevec |
Look, I appreciate the on line message is to give the manager time but, whilst admirable, I need advice on what exactly it is I'm supposed to be hanging on for. I don't mean abstracts like 'time to gel' I mean specifics, things like whole team performance.
What we got yesterday from a Ramsey team, as ever, was par for the course. Come out punching for about 20 minutes and if that don't work, not a clue what to do next and in comes the towel.
I can't blame him for the ineptitude of the two new full backs but I can blame him for not explaining the half way line can be crossed when we're on the attack, that overlapping Mackie (konchelsky) is not a fckin crime.
I can't blame him for Austin and Phillips deciding that self preservation was infinitely preferable than actually playing for QPR but I can blame him for not spotting this around the same time our entire fckin support had spotted this and replaced one or both of them.
The bottom line is, whilst I suspect the players like Ramsey, they don't have the respect that requires them running through walls for him. Mackie is a one off in the modern game, a self motivator. Some of the tackles he ran through had me jumping out the way on the terrace but his endeavour only highlighted the lack of fight that was coming from other areas of the pitch. When players are holding back that extra yard that reflects on the manager. Sorry, the guy is doomed and the quicker he moves on the better. |
I Iistened to the game on the radio. One of the commentators said that Ramsey was on the touchline trying to motivate the players but the players weren't responding. The Charlton manager managed to do this, Charlton let go of 14 players during the summer. Ramsey is a nice guy however, he is not a leader of men you either have it or you don't.
The players see what is going on at the club they can see that Ramsey is just a coach and a yes man. |  | | |
| Where do we start? on 11:30 - Aug 9 with 2084 views | Neil_SI |
| Where do we start? on 10:44 - Aug 9 by stevec |
Look, I appreciate the on line message is to give the manager time but, whilst admirable, I need advice on what exactly it is I'm supposed to be hanging on for. I don't mean abstracts like 'time to gel' I mean specifics, things like whole team performance.
What we got yesterday from a Ramsey team, as ever, was par for the course. Come out punching for about 20 minutes and if that don't work, not a clue what to do next and in comes the towel.
I can't blame him for the ineptitude of the two new full backs but I can blame him for not explaining the half way line can be crossed when we're on the attack, that overlapping Mackie (konchelsky) is not a fckin crime.
I can't blame him for Austin and Phillips deciding that self preservation was infinitely preferable than actually playing for QPR but I can blame him for not spotting this around the same time our entire fckin support had spotted this and replaced one or both of them.
The bottom line is, whilst I suspect the players like Ramsey, they don't have the respect that requires them running through walls for him. Mackie is a one off in the modern game, a self motivator. Some of the tackles he ran through had me jumping out the way on the terrace but his endeavour only highlighted the lack of fight that was coming from other areas of the pitch. When players are holding back that extra yard that reflects on the manager. Sorry, the guy is doomed and the quicker he moves on the better. |
Are you sure you're not suffering a little bit from selective memory here?
We are much closer to a whole team performance under Chris Ramsey than we ever were under Mark Hughes or Harry Redknapp, and they had the luxury of spending millions on players. We could barely string two passes together for much of the time under those regimes, but here, we're already knocking the ball around comfortably. What we lack is that little bit of penetration and incisiveness in the final third, something a lot of teams would say about themselves, and which they'll need to work on and figure out.
How often did you see a team come out punching under Redknapp or Hughes? How many times did they have bad halves or more? Loads. In my view, we're playing much more like a team in both defence and attack under Ramsey than we have done under much higher profile and more experienced managers.
Jamie Mackie ran through walls and put tackles in, but so did many other players. I can distinctly remember very heavy and hard challenges going in from James Perch, Paul Konchesky, Massimo Luongo and Sebastian Polter to name a few. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the bite and effort the players and they are playing for Ramsey and themselves, otherwise they wouldn't put themselves about.
I don't think we threw in the towel and downed tools like I've seen us do in the past, but they did seem to lose belief they could get back in it, and when it's a hot and muggy day like that and you go behind, it's always tough to find the energy levels to come back. That's not necessarily an excuse, but it happens, and the most important thing for the football people is to understand what happened and why and work on it to reduce the likelihood it will happen again.
You also have to keep in mind that there's always a bigger picture, so while you might believe that you spotted Austin was self preserving, you can't be 100% sure that you are right. The obvious answer is that he's not fit enough yet, having had an extended break over the summer due to England duties and getting married. How do you get him fit? By playing him, which is the obvious answer, and knowing you might have to go through the motions a bit to get him to where he needs to be. At the same time, someone like Austin is always capable of scoring goals, he's proven at this level and in the Premier League, so it's a risk that was deemed appropriate to take. Austin also needs to get fit in order to improve his chances of a move, so it's a situation that everybody is going to want to benefit from.
On a final note, it's been long discussed and raised, that the manager is not the problem at QPR, given how many have failed so miserably. The set up of the club has made it a very tough job for a very long time, and in recent months, the club have tried to start to change this process and help create an environment that will be successful in the future.
That will definitely take time, and people can cry and whinge all they like about managers or performances, but if we want real change, that provides us with a more sustainable future, then we're going to have to be patient and accept it will take time, no matter who is in the hot seat.
Of your tactical observations, I could answer them in some detail, but I'll try and be brief. When you start away from home, oftentimes you start out steady. A new back four playing together for the first time are likely to stick and hold their line together, as they need to get to know each other in a competitive environment. Perfectly reasonable for a first game, and a first away game of the season.
We had in pre-season played with a lot of overlapping full-backs, here we didn't do that, but that's also because of personnel. Mackie himself loves to drive down the channels and down the line, there's very little opportunity for a full-back to overlap him, there's actually no need. In fact, a few times, Mackie could have pulled the ball back for a deep cross into the box but never really chose that option. He also, when on the ball, seldom came inside until very near the end of the game, and if he had made those runs, it would have opened the space for an overlap. Again, he chose not to do that, so the opportunity wasn't really there.
The same could be said of Matt Phillips, who likes to drive from deep, sometimes way too deep, and go at his full backs. He's a head down bulldozing sort of player, who can overrun the ball and lose possession, which he did a lot here. That means the full back has to be extra careful and keep his eyes on what's going on in front of him, otherwise if he overlaps too soon and the ball is lost, you're in danger of being hit on the counter attack. Keep in mind they had a 6'7 striker who the ball could be dipped straight into for a knock down onto a runner into space, so taking care of that danger is critical. As it turns out, Perch did a poor job on the first goal of allowing his man to turn him inside and get a shot in on goal unopposed. It was a poor goal to concede for Robert Green too, he should have stopped it, but if you let players shoot you are at risk. The same happened for the second goal, and in both instances, Phillips were no where to be seen. He was sucked inside for the second goal and got himself out of position, and those small details matter, he couldn't make up the ground in time and like that, the game was over. |  | | |
| Where do we start? on 11:34 - Aug 9 with 2073 views | Neil_SI |
| Where do we start? on 11:04 - Aug 9 by MedwayR |
I thought the subs should've been made earlier and not like for like. Polter for Chery to give Austin some support and try something different would've been a good idea I think. I also thought that despite being our best player Mackie was up against one of the best RB's in the league and it might have been a good idea to switch him with Phillips for at least part of the match to see if he could have even more of an impact on the game.
Surprised how poor Perch & Konchesky were, I know they've not had long to get to know their teammates but that doesn't excuse a poor first touch or poor passes, I hope and expect them to improve a lot.
Unfortunately many of last seasons problems remain & we ran out of steam, clearly too many were not fit enough for 90mins.
Personally I think Ramsey will be gone by Christmas but I think the transfers have been pretty good and we have a decent squad so hopefully it clicks and if it doesn't then at least the next manager will have a good squad to work with. [Post edited 9 Aug 2015 11:42]
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I would have liked the substitutions a little earlier too, and in fact, we had prepared to make them several minutes before they came on, but we hadn't had the ball for a while, and Charlton had been on the attack, so we didn't want to make them while we were defending.
In the end, we took a risk and did make them while we were defending and then conceded immediately. A real shame.
Perch and Konchesky were a bit hit and miss, but perhaps didn't quite get enough protection, particularly Perch, who was left in one on one situations a fair few times. I still saw enough decent things from those two for me not to be overly concerned. | | | |
| Where do we start? on 11:54 - Aug 9 with 2018 views | timcocking |
One game with a new team... |  | | |
| Where do we start? on 11:54 - Aug 9 with 2018 views | ganjR |
| Where do we start? on 11:34 - Aug 9 by Neil_SI |
I would have liked the substitutions a little earlier too, and in fact, we had prepared to make them several minutes before they came on, but we hadn't had the ball for a while, and Charlton had been on the attack, so we didn't want to make them while we were defending.
In the end, we took a risk and did make them while we were defending and then conceded immediately. A real shame.
Perch and Konchesky were a bit hit and miss, but perhaps didn't quite get enough protection, particularly Perch, who was left in one on one situations a fair few times. I still saw enough decent things from those two for me not to be overly concerned. |
I think the real question here is:
Is Low Expectations a troll or just a manic depressed? |  | | |
| Where do we start? on 13:04 - Aug 9 with 1908 views | SomersetHoops |
I listened to Jamie Mackie on the podcast on Saturday morning and when he was asked does the current team have the same team spirit as Warnock's Championship winning team he said a clear no, but sort of intimated it might be able to get somewhere closer to it as the season develops. That lowered my expectations for this game, although I still hoped for a draw and with less errors and better fitness it could have been. He also suggested that there wasn't the bad atmosphere in the club that he felt the season he left which is hopeful for the future.
To have not scored at all was a disappointment with the firepower we had and Austin did his value no favours with that performance. I can see him going for about 10 million now even though he should be worth more and we would have probably been wise to take Leicester's 12 million offer, although they have probably decided that they don't need him after their performance on Saturday.
We will probably never know whose idea the Italy fiasco was or why we haven't been able to get the acquisition and departures business done quicker, but publishing proposed player values seems to not have been a constructive thing to have done. Everyone wants to blame Ramsey, but I doubt he has had control over these issues which have contributed to the lack of completeness and match fitness of the team and at least in part to our failure at Charlton.
To have key players like Austin and Phillips not knowing whether they are going to be here in a couple of weeks time is not going to get the best from them and publicly saying we want 15 an 10 million respectively just sets clubs that may want them a challenge to see how little they could pay in a last minute deal. We should realise our reputation and place in the pecking order of football has been massively undermined by the wasted money spent for such dire results and another relegation and we can't dictate terms. We should rely on negotiating skills (if we have them) to get the best deal possible at a time that suits us. |  |
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| Where do we start? on 13:24 - Aug 9 with 1881 views | daveB |
| Where do we start? on 10:44 - Aug 9 by stevec |
Look, I appreciate the on line message is to give the manager time but, whilst admirable, I need advice on what exactly it is I'm supposed to be hanging on for. I don't mean abstracts like 'time to gel' I mean specifics, things like whole team performance.
What we got yesterday from a Ramsey team, as ever, was par for the course. Come out punching for about 20 minutes and if that don't work, not a clue what to do next and in comes the towel.
I can't blame him for the ineptitude of the two new full backs but I can blame him for not explaining the half way line can be crossed when we're on the attack, that overlapping Mackie (konchelsky) is not a fckin crime.
I can't blame him for Austin and Phillips deciding that self preservation was infinitely preferable than actually playing for QPR but I can blame him for not spotting this around the same time our entire fckin support had spotted this and replaced one or both of them.
The bottom line is, whilst I suspect the players like Ramsey, they don't have the respect that requires them running through walls for him. Mackie is a one off in the modern game, a self motivator. Some of the tackles he ran through had me jumping out the way on the terrace but his endeavour only highlighted the lack of fight that was coming from other areas of the pitch. When players are holding back that extra yard that reflects on the manager. Sorry, the guy is doomed and the quicker he moves on the better. |
Whats thew alternative to giving the new team and manager a bit of time?t
They've only had one game together and the knives are out.
What do you think should happen? Different manager and approach? is so who |  | | |
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| Where do we start? on 21:19 - Aug 9 with 1706 views | stevec |
| Where do we start? on 11:30 - Aug 9 by Neil_SI |
Are you sure you're not suffering a little bit from selective memory here?
We are much closer to a whole team performance under Chris Ramsey than we ever were under Mark Hughes or Harry Redknapp, and they had the luxury of spending millions on players. We could barely string two passes together for much of the time under those regimes, but here, we're already knocking the ball around comfortably. What we lack is that little bit of penetration and incisiveness in the final third, something a lot of teams would say about themselves, and which they'll need to work on and figure out.
How often did you see a team come out punching under Redknapp or Hughes? How many times did they have bad halves or more? Loads. In my view, we're playing much more like a team in both defence and attack under Ramsey than we have done under much higher profile and more experienced managers.
Jamie Mackie ran through walls and put tackles in, but so did many other players. I can distinctly remember very heavy and hard challenges going in from James Perch, Paul Konchesky, Massimo Luongo and Sebastian Polter to name a few. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the bite and effort the players and they are playing for Ramsey and themselves, otherwise they wouldn't put themselves about.
I don't think we threw in the towel and downed tools like I've seen us do in the past, but they did seem to lose belief they could get back in it, and when it's a hot and muggy day like that and you go behind, it's always tough to find the energy levels to come back. That's not necessarily an excuse, but it happens, and the most important thing for the football people is to understand what happened and why and work on it to reduce the likelihood it will happen again.
You also have to keep in mind that there's always a bigger picture, so while you might believe that you spotted Austin was self preserving, you can't be 100% sure that you are right. The obvious answer is that he's not fit enough yet, having had an extended break over the summer due to England duties and getting married. How do you get him fit? By playing him, which is the obvious answer, and knowing you might have to go through the motions a bit to get him to where he needs to be. At the same time, someone like Austin is always capable of scoring goals, he's proven at this level and in the Premier League, so it's a risk that was deemed appropriate to take. Austin also needs to get fit in order to improve his chances of a move, so it's a situation that everybody is going to want to benefit from.
On a final note, it's been long discussed and raised, that the manager is not the problem at QPR, given how many have failed so miserably. The set up of the club has made it a very tough job for a very long time, and in recent months, the club have tried to start to change this process and help create an environment that will be successful in the future.
That will definitely take time, and people can cry and whinge all they like about managers or performances, but if we want real change, that provides us with a more sustainable future, then we're going to have to be patient and accept it will take time, no matter who is in the hot seat.
Of your tactical observations, I could answer them in some detail, but I'll try and be brief. When you start away from home, oftentimes you start out steady. A new back four playing together for the first time are likely to stick and hold their line together, as they need to get to know each other in a competitive environment. Perfectly reasonable for a first game, and a first away game of the season.
We had in pre-season played with a lot of overlapping full-backs, here we didn't do that, but that's also because of personnel. Mackie himself loves to drive down the channels and down the line, there's very little opportunity for a full-back to overlap him, there's actually no need. In fact, a few times, Mackie could have pulled the ball back for a deep cross into the box but never really chose that option. He also, when on the ball, seldom came inside until very near the end of the game, and if he had made those runs, it would have opened the space for an overlap. Again, he chose not to do that, so the opportunity wasn't really there.
The same could be said of Matt Phillips, who likes to drive from deep, sometimes way too deep, and go at his full backs. He's a head down bulldozing sort of player, who can overrun the ball and lose possession, which he did a lot here. That means the full back has to be extra careful and keep his eyes on what's going on in front of him, otherwise if he overlaps too soon and the ball is lost, you're in danger of being hit on the counter attack. Keep in mind they had a 6'7 striker who the ball could be dipped straight into for a knock down onto a runner into space, so taking care of that danger is critical. As it turns out, Perch did a poor job on the first goal of allowing his man to turn him inside and get a shot in on goal unopposed. It was a poor goal to concede for Robert Green too, he should have stopped it, but if you let players shoot you are at risk. The same happened for the second goal, and in both instances, Phillips were no where to be seen. He was sucked inside for the second goal and got himself out of position, and those small details matter, he couldn't make up the ground in time and like that, the game was over. |
we've all got our own view and inevitably are then susceptible to a little bit of selective memory. However Ramsey is not new to this job, he's had half a season and, whoever the starting eleven, you know the same weaknesses manifest themselves time and again.
Charlton, clearly a collective of less talented individuals, managed I think by a man in the job not a dissimilar amount of time to our own incumbent and with a huge turnover of players this summer, somehow put out a side that played as a team, backed each other up consistently and stuck to a clearly defined plan from start to finish.
That is what I would classify as a whole team performance. A manager getting the best he can out of a very average team. A few individuals putting on a good show is not, for me, any light at the end of a very dark tunnel. |  | | |
| Where do we start? on 07:57 - Aug 10 with 1599 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Where do we start? on 11:54 - Aug 9 by timcocking |
One game with a new team... |
Same as Charlton. | | | |
| Where do we start? on 09:51 - Aug 10 with 1508 views | adhoc_qpr |
Judging just on this game it was pretty poor.
Fullbacks parachuted in late doors predictably struggled, no goal threat and Ramsey unable to get the team back in the game after going behind as usual.
But it's only one game and if you look across the football league lots of teams were slow out of the blocks - it happens.
Let's see what the next week brings. | | | |
| Where do we start? on 10:18 - Aug 10 with 1476 views | essextaxiboy |
| Where do we start? on 11:04 - Aug 9 by MedwayR |
I thought the subs should've been made earlier and not like for like. Polter for Chery to give Austin some support and try something different would've been a good idea I think. I also thought that despite being our best player Mackie was up against one of the best RB's in the league and it might have been a good idea to switch him with Phillips for at least part of the match to see if he could have even more of an impact on the game.
Surprised how poor Perch & Konchesky were, I know they've not had long to get to know their teammates but that doesn't excuse a poor first touch or poor passes, I hope and expect them to improve a lot.
Unfortunately many of last seasons problems remain & we ran out of steam, clearly too many were not fit enough for 90mins.
Personally I think Ramsey will be gone by Christmas but I think the transfers have been pretty good and we have a decent squad so hopefully it clicks and if it doesn't then at least the next manager will have a good squad to work with. [Post edited 9 Aug 2015 11:42]
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Why should a new manager reap the benefit of Ramseys changes . Even if we have a dodgy start and consolidate to mid table that exceeds the hopes and expectations of the majority on this board .
He deserves a full year with his own players , with a chance to strengthen any weaknesses in Jan with the knowledge of any FFP punishment . |  | | |
| Where do we start? on 10:29 - Aug 10 with 1465 views | adhoc_qpr |
| Where do we start? on 10:18 - Aug 10 by essextaxiboy |
Why should a new manager reap the benefit of Ramseys changes . Even if we have a dodgy start and consolidate to mid table that exceeds the hopes and expectations of the majority on this board .
He deserves a full year with his own players , with a chance to strengthen any weaknesses in Jan with the knowledge of any FFP punishment . |
Nice in theory, but in reality all football managers are under pressure and only ever a few defeats away from the sack.
Ramsey was lucky to keep his job after last season (especially the last 3 games) and certainly won't be given a free pass for another season in the name of stability. If we have a bad start and are still looking in poor shape after a few months, Ramsey will be a gone.
You can feel sorry for him and say he inherited a mess from 'Arry and has been hamstrung this summer by a tight budget, unsettled squad and rubbish pre-season - but he'll be the one to carry the blame if it doesn't work out. | | | |
| Where do we start? on 10:37 - Aug 10 with 1449 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Where do we start? on 11:26 - Aug 9 by SpiritofGregory |
I Iistened to the game on the radio. One of the commentators said that Ramsey was on the touchline trying to motivate the players but the players weren't responding. The Charlton manager managed to do this, Charlton let go of 14 players during the summer. Ramsey is a nice guy however, he is not a leader of men you either have it or you don't.
The players see what is going on at the club they can see that Ramsey is just a coach and a yes man. |
You weren't even there you mean?
Unsurprised emoticon.
Interestingly, at Charlton, the home bench is bang on the halfway line. The away bench is halfway down the side of the pitch, with the smallest 'technical area' I've ever seen. Not sure why that's legal - it's a definite disadvantage for all coaches. |  |
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| Where do we start? on 10:41 - Aug 10 with 1437 views | PunteR |
They had home advantage. |  |
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| Where do we start? on 11:18 - Aug 10 with 1329 views | stevec |
| Where do we start? on 10:37 - Aug 10 by Antti_Heinola |
You weren't even there you mean?
Unsurprised emoticon.
Interestingly, at Charlton, the home bench is bang on the halfway line. The away bench is halfway down the side of the pitch, with the smallest 'technical area' I've ever seen. Not sure why that's legal - it's a definite disadvantage for all coaches. |
Fckin hell Antti, I admire you're devotion to all things Ramsey but 'the smallest technical area I've ever seen' is really pushing the boat out.
Let's face it, how much room does he need to stand there rocking on his heels, alternating between arms folded and putting his head in his hands? | | | |
| Where do we start? on 11:24 - Aug 10 with 1321 views | francisbowles |
Thank goodness for Neil, Northern, Dave B and a few others who were actually at the match and were watching it with their eyes open and brains engaged! | | | |
| Where do we start? on 11:26 - Aug 10 with 1314 views | timcocking |
So what?
Somebody has to win (or draw). Charlton weren't great either. No team plays well every game. Just wait and see what happens. To pass judgement after one game is the sign of a person with a low iq who understands nothing about football. | | | |
| Where do we start? on 11:29 - Aug 10 with 1309 views | stevec |
| Where do we start? on 11:24 - Aug 10 by francisbowles |
Thank goodness for Neil, Northern, Dave B and a few others who were actually at the match and were watching it with their eyes open and brains engaged! |
Was there my friend, eyes open and brain fully engaged. I concede, however, I had left my rose tinted spectacles at home. | | | |
| Where do we start? on 11:46 - Aug 10 with 1286 views | EastR |
Putting in a team performance, translating coaching from training to a competitive game playing well, for 20 mins doesn’t win football matches
We’re being far too forgiving and naïve if we excuse a sub-standard performance because we weren’t pressed by opposition in pre season, or because new signings take time to gel. Both of those easily apply to the team that beat us on Saturday. And they played in the same conditions too.
The manager will live and die by the decisions he makes ( Austin’s fitness Phillips performance) , whether in choosing the starting line up, or changing it when it when it’s clearly not working. CR fell short on both fronts.
Sure, its early days and we’ve only lost one game. But the performance wasn’t good enough, and that’s disappointing. That’s what this post is about — a disappointing performance and result, with a suspicion there are more to follow.
As long suffering fans we should be allowed to express that without being labelled as unrealistic or misguided. | |
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| Where do we start? on 12:14 - Aug 10 with 1251 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Where do we start? on 11:18 - Aug 10 by stevec |
Fckin hell Antti, I admire you're devotion to all things Ramsey but 'the smallest technical area I've ever seen' is really pushing the boat out.
Let's face it, how much room does he need to stand there rocking on his heels, alternating between arms folded and putting his head in his hands? |
Wasn't a defence actually mate, just an observation. Didn't have any impact at all on the result, but just something I found odd. The thing Miserable SoG said about it just reminded me about it.
Not devoted to Ramsey at all either. Just believe in looking at all sides and also understand the enormity of the job he's taken on. | |
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| Where do we start? on 12:15 - Aug 10 with 1246 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Where do we start? on 11:29 - Aug 10 by stevec |
Was there my friend, eyes open and brain fully engaged. I concede, however, I had left my rose tinted spectacles at home. |
Did you take *any* spectacles? | |
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| Where do we start? on 12:20 - Aug 10 with 1236 views | adhoc_qpr |
| Where do we start? on 11:46 - Aug 10 by EastR |
Putting in a team performance, translating coaching from training to a competitive game playing well, for 20 mins doesn’t win football matches
We’re being far too forgiving and naïve if we excuse a sub-standard performance because we weren’t pressed by opposition in pre season, or because new signings take time to gel. Both of those easily apply to the team that beat us on Saturday. And they played in the same conditions too.
The manager will live and die by the decisions he makes ( Austin’s fitness Phillips performance) , whether in choosing the starting line up, or changing it when it when it’s clearly not working. CR fell short on both fronts.
Sure, its early days and we’ve only lost one game. But the performance wasn’t good enough, and that’s disappointing. That’s what this post is about — a disappointing performance and result, with a suspicion there are more to follow.
As long suffering fans we should be allowed to express that without being labelled as unrealistic or misguided. |
Agree that long term thinking doesn't mean blindly ignoring failure in the present and just hoping for the best.
Ramsey's been given a second chance, it's up to him to prove he's up to it.
As others have pointed out, Guy Luzon's Charlton team has been cobbled together over the summer on a budget and he managed to get a performance and 3 points.
Still plenty of time for Ramsey to prove himself given he's been hand picked by our DoF , but any excuses won't carry much weight from now. | | | |
| Where do we start? on 12:46 - Aug 10 with 1220 views | stevec |
| Where do we start? on 12:15 - Aug 10 by Antti_Heinola |
Did you take *any* spectacles? |
Heh, Heh.
I've just been onto my local opticians this morning and told them my eyes might be playing up as Rangers looked shit on Saturday. They said you're fine mate but could I pass this message on to you and Neil
Specsavers Shepherds Bush
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| Where do we start? on 13:10 - Aug 10 with 1193 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Where do we start? on 12:46 - Aug 10 by stevec |
Heh, Heh.
I've just been onto my local opticians this morning and told them my eyes might be playing up as Rangers looked shit on Saturday. They said you're fine mate but could I pass this message on to you and Neil
Specsavers Shepherds Bush
106 Uxbridge Rd, London W12 8LR
020 8735 5890 |
Bit laboured, Steve. Good try though.
Thanks for lumping me in with Neil, though. He knows more about football than 90% of this board put together, so that's a massive (and unexpected) compliment! | |
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