| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport 07:56 - Mar 22 with 26664 views | bosh67 |
Numbers injured, just up on the news. |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 15:57 - Mar 22 with 2004 views | Dorse |
At their best, humans are capable of the highest goods, able to create concepts and works of great beauty and surpassing genius. It only requires the smallest shift in emphasis for all of them to be used in the service of the greatest of evils.
The creatures that perpetrated this barely merit the status 'human' and their actions, in ending their lives, have removed any chance of reform. If there is a God before whom they stand tonight, how will they justify their actions towards His other children? Should He love them more for their murders?
Their memory should be a byword for moral failure. Failure toward one's fellows; failure to one's faith; failure to one's self.
Sorry - nob gags to resume on other threads. |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 17:44 - Mar 22 with 1857 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Clive, what is your solution?
Bear in mind it has to be feasible. |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 19:06 - Mar 22 with 1755 views | QPRDave |
"Serious question, do you think everything is going to be peace and harmony when muslims number around 30% in a lot of European countries? Or do you agree there are massive problems ahead? "
We are heading for deep sh*t
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 19:21 - Mar 22 with 1733 views | terryb |
Firstly & foremost, I would like to offer my condolences & thoughts to all families & friends of todays victims.
Having just read through five pages of this thread, there is one group of participants that I have not noticed being slated.
ISIS, or any other group for that matter, can't manufacture all of their deadly equipment surely. I also doubt very much that they have come by these solely due to theft.
Therefore, there are some people out there in the world who have supplied ISIS & every other terrorist, illegal army, criminals etc. with their arms/weapons.
Even if that supply was not direct to them, I would doubt that reasonable due dilligence was carried out before any sale. I care not if the manufacturer or dealer originates from the West, China, Middle East, Korea or anywhere else.
STOP THE SUPPLY. That would be a reasonable step IMO to be aimed for. A little start that may develop from an acorn. |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 19:51 - Mar 22 with 1684 views | essextaxiboy |
When there are that many they will be controlling local Government and Schools.
There will be Sharia courts that a blind eye is turned to
We are talking 50 years time , think you will be long gone ? Maybe but your great grandchildren will be around . |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 20:24 - Mar 22 with 1630 views | ingeminate |
Ok, so the post kicks off with "probably because ..." What's that in reference too?
Trying to work with you is the point you are making that Brighton is focussing on Islamic terrorism not domestic violence because it has the potential to be much bigger?
Wasn't the point I was making. I was looking at why people are so quick to dig out the Muslim. Community for that age old phrase 'not doing more' while at the same time generally ignoring problems themselves - e.g domestic violence.
I don't really think I got a proper response either beyond 'I'm not really involved in domestic violence' - well if a Muslim says ah well I'm not really in to looking out for potential terrorists, but I'm mad keen on stopping dogs shitting in the local park I imagine there would be outrage...
But like I say I think you missed my point and I'll answer yours.
Do I think there will be peace and harmony in the next 30yrs regardless of the x% of Muslims in Europe? No - nothing over the past 500 years makes that a good bet.
Will the next thirty/fifty years be dominated by issues with Islamic fundamentalism? Perhaps but I doubt it, personally I think the flame will burn bright and gradually fade.
Though I think it will get worse - the terrorism - before it gets better, but by their very nature the ideas being fought for are a swimming against the tide of modern thinking. I expect widespread internal rebellion within the group as times goes by, it's a death cult based on medieval scriptures, barbaric acts and a deep rooted hatred of the west. It's being fed by the global backlash against western foreign policy which is at red hot right now, but again I think over time will dim. |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 20:27 - Mar 22 with 1628 views | derbyhoop |
My sympathies and condolences go to all the Belgian people affected by today's horrific events.
Don't forget London experienced similar events on 7/7 and the Paris attacks last year shows it could happen anywhere.
What is needed Is a level of intelligence that allows the authorities to identify those who may be inclined towards terrorism and stop them before they can carry out the attacks. Part of that intelligence will come from the Muslim communities, who, by and large, condemn such atrocities. tarring all Muslims with the "terrorist" brush is counter productive. There is far more going on in the UK than most of us could imagine, and we don't know how many attacks have been stopped. The terrorists only have to get lucky once. |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 20:38 - Mar 22 with 1595 views | essextaxiboy |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 20:24 - Mar 22 by ingeminate |
Ok, so the post kicks off with "probably because ..." What's that in reference too?
Trying to work with you is the point you are making that Brighton is focussing on Islamic terrorism not domestic violence because it has the potential to be much bigger?
Wasn't the point I was making. I was looking at why people are so quick to dig out the Muslim. Community for that age old phrase 'not doing more' while at the same time generally ignoring problems themselves - e.g domestic violence.
I don't really think I got a proper response either beyond 'I'm not really involved in domestic violence' - well if a Muslim says ah well I'm not really in to looking out for potential terrorists, but I'm mad keen on stopping dogs shitting in the local park I imagine there would be outrage...
But like I say I think you missed my point and I'll answer yours.
Do I think there will be peace and harmony in the next 30yrs regardless of the x% of Muslims in Europe? No - nothing over the past 500 years makes that a good bet.
Will the next thirty/fifty years be dominated by issues with Islamic fundamentalism? Perhaps but I doubt it, personally I think the flame will burn bright and gradually fade.
Though I think it will get worse - the terrorism - before it gets better, but by their very nature the ideas being fought for are a swimming against the tide of modern thinking. I expect widespread internal rebellion within the group as times goes by, it's a death cult based on medieval scriptures, barbaric acts and a deep rooted hatred of the west. It's being fed by the global backlash against western foreign policy which is at red hot right now, but again I think over time will dim. |
The point is that people who commit domestic violence do it individually behind closed doors , not as a group with an ideology , a flag , a recruitment system , a oil and arms business, their own courts and punishment that they record and put on the net
People all over the globe dont travel to a distant land to commit domestic violence .
Domestic violence is a serious issue but to compare it to ISIS doesnt work . The only similarity is that they are all cowards. | | | |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 20:40 - Mar 22 with 1591 views | Maggsinho |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 19:51 - Mar 22 by essextaxiboy |
When there are that many they will be controlling local Government and Schools.
There will be Sharia courts that a blind eye is turned to
We are talking 50 years time , think you will be long gone ? Maybe but your great grandchildren will be around . |
Muslims make up just over 5% of the UK population, do you really believe that the Muslim population will increase by 500% in 50 years? |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 20:49 - Mar 22 with 1569 views | essextaxiboy |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 20:40 - Mar 22 by Maggsinho |
Muslims make up just over 5% of the UK population, do you really believe that the Muslim population will increase by 500% in 50 years? |
50 years - 60 years 30% - 25% ..3 generations or 4 . Its creeping now .... | | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 20:54 - Mar 22 with 1557 views | johncharles |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 19:51 - Mar 22 by essextaxiboy |
When there are that many they will be controlling local Government and Schools.
There will be Sharia courts that a blind eye is turned to
We are talking 50 years time , think you will be long gone ? Maybe but your great grandchildren will be around . |
If you tolerate this your children will be next.......
Like the children of Rotherham
There's tolerance and there's taking the piss. The people of Belgium who were killed today were victims of this so called tolerance.
I'm angry. |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 20:55 - Mar 22 with 1556 views | RSoul |
5%, do you honestly believe that figure? I know the gov says that, but ........ | | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:11 - Mar 22 with 1509 views | QPR_Jim |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 20:38 - Mar 22 by essextaxiboy |
The point is that people who commit domestic violence do it individually behind closed doors , not as a group with an ideology , a flag , a recruitment system , a oil and arms business, their own courts and punishment that they record and put on the net
People all over the globe dont travel to a distant land to commit domestic violence .
Domestic violence is a serious issue but to compare it to ISIS doesnt work . The only similarity is that they are all cowards. |
Except he wasn't comparing ISIS to domestic abuse, he was comparing two communities responding to what's going on within it and how we turn a blind eye to stuff that doesn't affect us; but we expect others within the Muslim community to speak out and risk repercussions because it's an issue that does affect us. |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:25 - Mar 22 with 1467 views | Brightonhoop |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:11 - Mar 22 by QPR_Jim |
Except he wasn't comparing ISIS to domestic abuse, he was comparing two communities responding to what's going on within it and how we turn a blind eye to stuff that doesn't affect us; but we expect others within the Muslim community to speak out and risk repercussions because it's an issue that does affect us. |
Well I dont know anyone, male, who has marched against domestic violence. I once knocked a bloke out in Brighton who was threatening his girlfriend and then started laying into her because women beaters and bullies are my favourites. But I am guilty of never having been on a march.
I think if someone was at risk through reporting from within the community the authorities would get them out under some kind of witness protection type programme. Information is invaluable.
BBC now reporting further bombs found in another suburb, including chemicals. No idea if a chemical bomb is viable but it is certainly an intention and if anyone is capable these are. So please stop apologising for these Muslim extremists. Today they killed men, women and children indiscriminately. |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:38 - Mar 22 with 1434 views | ingeminate |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:25 - Mar 22 by Brightonhoop |
Well I dont know anyone, male, who has marched against domestic violence. I once knocked a bloke out in Brighton who was threatening his girlfriend and then started laying into her because women beaters and bullies are my favourites. But I am guilty of never having been on a march.
I think if someone was at risk through reporting from within the community the authorities would get them out under some kind of witness protection type programme. Information is invaluable.
BBC now reporting further bombs found in another suburb, including chemicals. No idea if a chemical bomb is viable but it is certainly an intention and if anyone is capable these are. So please stop apologising for these Muslim extremists. Today they killed men, women and children indiscriminately. |
Completely understandable response Brighton.
A bit mystified why you should take resposonibility for something you would never do. Maybe even a bit defensive. Your mum worked with refuge. You smacked a fella who threatened his girlfriend. Why should you go on a march to prove your non wife beating ways?
Not a million miles away from the reaction of Muslims I know, who have nothing to do with terrorism, after calls for them to be doing more. [Post edited 22 Mar 2016 21:48]
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:43 - Mar 22 with 1424 views | BromleyHoop |
As an aside, regarding internment. About 22,000 people were interned in the Uk during WW2 including, bizarrely, many Jewish refugees. In the US they interned 120,000 Japanese. This was pre Human Rights Act f course and barely anyone batted an eyelid about it. How things have changed. |  |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:48 - Mar 22 with 1412 views | johncharles |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:38 - Mar 22 by ingeminate |
Completely understandable response Brighton.
A bit mystified why you should take resposonibility for something you would never do. Maybe even a bit defensive. Your mum worked with refuge. You smacked a fella who threatened his girlfriend. Why should you go on a march to prove your non wife beating ways?
Not a million miles away from the reaction of Muslims I know, who have nothing to do with terrorism, after calls for them to be doing more. [Post edited 22 Mar 2016 21:48]
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Well they could do a little bit more maybe. A little bit more for the little bits of the victims that their families have left to identify. Bloody hell, I'm sorry if anyone's offended but these are or were real people with real families grieving. I don't give a shit about anyone's religion. | |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:50 - Mar 22 with 1408 views | ingeminate |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:48 - Mar 22 by johncharles |
Well they could do a little bit more maybe. A little bit more for the little bits of the victims that their families have left to identify. Bloody hell, I'm sorry if anyone's offended but these are or were real people with real families grieving. I don't give a shit about anyone's religion. |
Almost heroically missing the point. | |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:51 - Mar 22 with 1405 views | Brightonhoop |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:38 - Mar 22 by ingeminate |
Completely understandable response Brighton.
A bit mystified why you should take resposonibility for something you would never do. Maybe even a bit defensive. Your mum worked with refuge. You smacked a fella who threatened his girlfriend. Why should you go on a march to prove your non wife beating ways?
Not a million miles away from the reaction of Muslims I know, who have nothing to do with terrorism, after calls for them to be doing more. [Post edited 22 Mar 2016 21:48]
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It was a sardonic comment regarding earlier comments about taking stands. Going on marches etc. I walked past a couple rowing and the bloke was pushing her about, and her friend asked for my help and I nearly walked on. Instead I knocked him out. I wish those Muslims in them suburbs would do more too. It's not that difficult. | | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 22:01 - Mar 22 with 1390 views | ingeminate |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:51 - Mar 22 by Brightonhoop |
It was a sardonic comment regarding earlier comments about taking stands. Going on marches etc. I walked past a couple rowing and the bloke was pushing her about, and her friend asked for my help and I nearly walked on. Instead I knocked him out. I wish those Muslims in them suburbs would do more too. It's not that difficult. |
Fair play for not walking on, all too easy to do.
We aren't going to see eye to eye on this, but so what, takes all sorts. I'm off now, maybe revisit tomorrow. | |
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 22:01 - Mar 22 with 1385 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 12:17 - Mar 22 by Metallica_Hoop |
Hollande wanting 'More intelligence sharing' all very well but..
My mate is ex-army intelligence he told me France gets nothing because it's not in NATO and when given something they sell it therebuy compromising lives and informants.
Hence why no one tells France anything. |
Did he lose his job for blabbing secrets? | | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 22:11 - Mar 22 with 1363 views | johncharles |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 21:50 - Mar 22 by ingeminate |
Almost heroically missing the point. |
This is not about semantics, not about chiselling out the finer points of some intellectual standpoint. It's about people like you and me and your mum and dad being blown to bits.
Yeah, I guess I missed the point. What was it again ? Tell me how I can feel better about this. [Post edited 22 Mar 2016 22:13]
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| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 22:33 - Mar 22 with 1315 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 22:11 - Mar 22 by johncharles |
This is not about semantics, not about chiselling out the finer points of some intellectual standpoint. It's about people like you and me and your mum and dad being blown to bits.
Yeah, I guess I missed the point. What was it again ? Tell me how I can feel better about this. [Post edited 22 Mar 2016 22:13]
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Genuine question JC.
Do you get as angry about innocent men, women and children being blown to bits by 'us' and/or weapons we sell to regimes we know are going to so?
I've no doubt Cameron will be out condemning this atrocious violence, the same Cameron who is happy to back our own genocide and provide the weapons for others to do so.
So for me neither side's violence is right or acceptable and in a thread where people are calling for Muslims to show that they condemn today's violence what about us? What can we do to make our imprint on the world a less violent and murderous one? Why do we accept and vote in the likes of war criminal Blair and the man who's weapons sales to Saudi are assisting the deaths of 1000's and creating the next refugee/immigration crisis for everyone to moan about.
I understand fear and anger, but wisdom and some honest self awareness is an absolute must. |  | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 22:35 - Mar 22 with 1308 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 22:33 - Mar 22 by 1BobbyHazell |
Genuine question JC.
Do you get as angry about innocent men, women and children being blown to bits by 'us' and/or weapons we sell to regimes we know are going to so?
I've no doubt Cameron will be out condemning this atrocious violence, the same Cameron who is happy to back our own genocide and provide the weapons for others to do so.
So for me neither side's violence is right or acceptable and in a thread where people are calling for Muslims to show that they condemn today's violence what about us? What can we do to make our imprint on the world a less violent and murderous one? Why do we accept and vote in the likes of war criminal Blair and the man who's weapons sales to Saudi are assisting the deaths of 1000's and creating the next refugee/immigration crisis for everyone to moan about.
I understand fear and anger, but wisdom and some honest self awareness is an absolute must. |
Yemen. Right now. | | | |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 22:47 - Mar 22 with 2363 views | johncharles |
| Two explosions this morning at Brussels Airport on 22:33 - Mar 22 by 1BobbyHazell |
Genuine question JC.
Do you get as angry about innocent men, women and children being blown to bits by 'us' and/or weapons we sell to regimes we know are going to so?
I've no doubt Cameron will be out condemning this atrocious violence, the same Cameron who is happy to back our own genocide and provide the weapons for others to do so.
So for me neither side's violence is right or acceptable and in a thread where people are calling for Muslims to show that they condemn today's violence what about us? What can we do to make our imprint on the world a less violent and murderous one? Why do we accept and vote in the likes of war criminal Blair and the man who's weapons sales to Saudi are assisting the deaths of 1000's and creating the next refugee/immigration crisis for everyone to moan about.
I understand fear and anger, but wisdom and some honest self awareness is an absolute must. |
Bobby, I've taken untold shit for supporting the Palestinians. Been called Antisemetic for condemning Israel's indiscriminate bombing. Are you saying two wrongs make a right ?
How about Muslim leaders coming out and saying to all their young people that all this about blowing themselves up will take them straight to heaven with seventy virgins ? It's rubbish but people in Belgium have died for it today.
And don't forget the sad guys who believed this crap and blew themselves up. | |
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