| The Poppy 12:58 - Nov 2 with 10628 views | union_jack |
FIFA are banning the home nations from displaying the poppy on international shirts.
Outrageous?
Or preventing a floodgate opening for other countries to have their political say on their shirts? |  |
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| The Poppy on 15:34 - Nov 2 with 1719 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Poppy on 15:25 - Nov 2 by DafyddHuw |
No, I completely understood your point of view. What surprised me was -
"I imagine it's the same the other way round - other countries may have symbols of their national pride that are as dear to them, and yet we might find it offensive from our standpoint. "
where you're clearly implying that the poppy is a symbol of our national pride which is dear to us. I just wondered why you made that assumption. |
I was saying that the poppy has become that, not that I agree that it should be so.
My post was badly worded as it didn't make that clear.
I think it is now seen as a symbol of national pride, which is why the prime minister is commenting on it. I did say that respect may be a better word.
I personally think it's completely up to an individual to wear one or not. The only thing that I find irritating actually, is the wearing of a white poppy to indicate that the wearer doesn't support war. In my mind, I can't imagine that any sane person supports war to be honest, so I find that a ridiculous standpoint to suggest that wearing a red poppy means you are a bloodthirsty hawk. |  | | |
| The Poppy on 15:52 - Nov 2 with 1705 views | centrestandswan |
| The Poppy on 15:06 - Nov 2 by Lohengrin |
Since inception and pride in the sons of these islands who gave their lives so you and I wouldn't have to. |
Here here along with the Soviets and Americans and the Commonwealth and the Chinese and many other countries , remember the Forces of all these places that died for us and themselves for a "free world" and treat them on equal terms .
It doesn't take the wearing of a poppy once a year to show you remember, just look around at the world today and all the carnage there is ,the wearing of poppies for a fortnight doesn't seem to have had much influence in that respect. Remember by all means and endeavor to see it never happen again. "WW1 , the war to end all wars." Some arms dealers are having a laugh somewhere.  |  |
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| The Poppy on 16:01 - Nov 2 with 1698 views | Darran |
| The Poppy on 15:52 - Nov 2 by centrestandswan |
Here here along with the Soviets and Americans and the Commonwealth and the Chinese and many other countries , remember the Forces of all these places that died for us and themselves for a "free world" and treat them on equal terms .
It doesn't take the wearing of a poppy once a year to show you remember, just look around at the world today and all the carnage there is ,the wearing of poppies for a fortnight doesn't seem to have had much influence in that respect. Remember by all means and endeavor to see it never happen again. "WW1 , the war to end all wars." Some arms dealers are having a laugh somewhere. |
Very well said you're not as thick as your sister makes out. |  |
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| The Poppy on 16:07 - Nov 2 with 1688 views | Highjack |
I can understand perfectly why Fifa don't allow it, but there should be some sort of compromise. Perhaps a minutes silence before lick off or laying of a poppy wreath or something. |  |
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| The Poppy on 16:12 - Nov 2 with 1686 views | Lohengrin |
| The Poppy on 15:52 - Nov 2 by centrestandswan |
Here here along with the Soviets and Americans and the Commonwealth and the Chinese and many other countries , remember the Forces of all these places that died for us and themselves for a "free world" and treat them on equal terms .
It doesn't take the wearing of a poppy once a year to show you remember, just look around at the world today and all the carnage there is ,the wearing of poppies for a fortnight doesn't seem to have had much influence in that respect. Remember by all means and endeavor to see it never happen again. "WW1 , the war to end all wars." Some arms dealers are having a laugh somewhere. |
I'm sure you understand how hard I'm biting my lip here trying not to politicise the thread in response to your points...  |  |
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| The Poppy on 16:20 - Nov 2 with 1672 views | Nogginthenog |
| The Poppy on 16:07 - Nov 2 by Highjack |
I can understand perfectly why Fifa don't allow it, but there should be some sort of compromise. Perhaps a minutes silence before lick off or laying of a poppy wreath or something. |
A lick off, what a novel idea! |  | | |
| The Poppy on 16:30 - Nov 2 with 1659 views | Highjack |
| The Poppy on 16:20 - Nov 2 by Nogginthenog |
A lick off, what a novel idea! |
It was my fat fingers, not a Freudian slip honest.
But I'm sure many a world conflict could have been prevented with the offer of mutual fellatio. | |
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| The Poppy on 16:34 - Nov 2 with 1652 views | centrestandswan |
| The Poppy on 16:30 - Nov 2 by Highjack |
It was my fat fingers, not a Freudian slip honest.
But I'm sure many a world conflict could have been prevented with the offer of mutual fellatio. |
Plays for Man U does he not? | |
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| The Poppy on 17:54 - Nov 2 with 1603 views | exiledclaseboy |
I buy a poppy annually but I don't/won't wear it. This is mainly because of the fact that it's become almost compulsory in recent years and not wearing one is seen as almost some kind of traitorous act. It's ridiculous, someone is castigated publicly every year for exercising their right not to wear a poppy. And it has without doubt been appropriated as a nakedly political symbol by some groups in more recent years. It never used to be like this. It used to be an understated symbol of quiet remembrance and it's become an ostentatious display of nationalism and a stick to beat people with.
The UK FAs know the rules. If they feel that strongly about it they should have their players wear poppies and take whatever punishment comes with it. |  |
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| The Poppy on 18:01 - Nov 2 with 1592 views | Lohengrin |
| The Poppy on 17:54 - Nov 2 by exiledclaseboy |
I buy a poppy annually but I don't/won't wear it. This is mainly because of the fact that it's become almost compulsory in recent years and not wearing one is seen as almost some kind of traitorous act. It's ridiculous, someone is castigated publicly every year for exercising their right not to wear a poppy. And it has without doubt been appropriated as a nakedly political symbol by some groups in more recent years. It never used to be like this. It used to be an understated symbol of quiet remembrance and it's become an ostentatious display of nationalism and a stick to beat people with.
The UK FAs know the rules. If they feel that strongly about it they should have their players wear poppies and take whatever punishment comes with it. |
"it's become an ostentatious display of nationalism and a stick to beat people with."
It's nothing of the bloody sort!  | |
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| The Poppy on 18:02 - Nov 2 with 1589 views | Darran |
| The Poppy on 17:54 - Nov 2 by exiledclaseboy |
I buy a poppy annually but I don't/won't wear it. This is mainly because of the fact that it's become almost compulsory in recent years and not wearing one is seen as almost some kind of traitorous act. It's ridiculous, someone is castigated publicly every year for exercising their right not to wear a poppy. And it has without doubt been appropriated as a nakedly political symbol by some groups in more recent years. It never used to be like this. It used to be an understated symbol of quiet remembrance and it's become an ostentatious display of nationalism and a stick to beat people with.
The UK FAs know the rules. If they feel that strongly about it they should have their players wear poppies and take whatever punishment comes with it. |
Yes and talking of ostentatious it's hideous to see the bimbos like Kay Burley trying to wear the most garish poppy possible too. | |
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| The Poppy on 18:14 - Nov 2 with 1571 views | trampie |
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| The Poppy on 19:03 - Nov 2 with 1526 views | union_jack |
| The Poppy on 18:01 - Nov 2 by Lohengrin |
"it's become an ostentatious display of nationalism and a stick to beat people with."
It's nothing of the bloody sort! |
I don't understand that at all. To me, it's always been a symbol to remember the fallen in the conflicts since WW1.
Things change however. My avatar was once a proud flag to fly (and still is to me) but associated more with fascism nowadays. Latterly, the cross of St. George is taking on the same association. | |
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| The Poppy on 19:27 - Nov 2 with 1489 views | epaul |
| The Poppy on 18:14 - Nov 2 by trampie |
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A machine of mass death with a poppy on it very uneasy with that |  |
| The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though |
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| The Poppy on 19:39 - Nov 2 with 1261 views | Lohengrin |
| The Poppy on 19:27 - Nov 2 by epaul |
A machine of mass death with a poppy on it very uneasy with that |
That would be one way of looking at it, I suppose. The other way would be as an exhibit at the RAF Museum, Cosford for the launch of last year's appeal. | |
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| The Poppy on 19:45 - Nov 2 with 1242 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Poppy on 19:39 - Nov 2 by Lohengrin |
That would be one way of looking at it, I suppose. The other way would be as an exhibit at the RAF Museum, Cosford for the launch of last year's appeal. |
It's a crass juxtaposition, regardless of context. | |
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| The Poppy on 19:47 - Nov 2 with 1239 views | Lohengrin |
| The Poppy on 19:45 - Nov 2 by exiledclaseboy |
It's a crass juxtaposition, regardless of context. |
Not to servicemen. | |
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| The Poppy on 19:49 - Nov 2 with 1237 views | sherpajacob |
| The Poppy on 18:01 - Nov 2 by Lohengrin |
"it's become an ostentatious display of nationalism and a stick to beat people with."
It's nothing of the bloody sort! |
If anybody appears on a bbc programme not wearing one, then the outraged letter writers of Tunbridge wells get their biggest possible sticks out and march en masse on broadcasting house intent on delivering a good beating. |  |
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| The Poppy on 19:53 - Nov 2 with 1227 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Poppy on 19:47 - Nov 2 by Lohengrin |
Not to servicemen. |
Maybe not, but that's not necessarily a recommendation. | |
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| The Poppy on 19:54 - Nov 2 with 1226 views | Lohengrin |
| The Poppy on 19:49 - Nov 2 by sherpajacob |
If anybody appears on a bbc programme not wearing one, then the outraged letter writers of Tunbridge wells get their biggest possible sticks out and march en masse on broadcasting house intent on delivering a good beating. |
So the Guardian would have us believe. | |
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| The Poppy on 19:56 - Nov 2 with 1218 views | Lohengrin |
| The Poppy on 19:53 - Nov 2 by exiledclaseboy |
Maybe not, but that's not necessarily a recommendation. |
Tell me, Clase, when you put money into a poppy collection tin what motivates you? | |
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| The Poppy on 19:57 - Nov 2 with 1217 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Poppy on 19:54 - Nov 2 by Lohengrin |
So the Guardian would have us believe. |
Ha yeah. It's all the fault if the least read newspaper in the country that appearing on TV for three weeks at the end of October/beginning of November every year without wearing a poppy is now almost a capital offence which means that the offender is obviously disrespecting war dead deliberately. | |
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| The Poppy on 19:58 - Nov 2 with 1214 views | exiledclaseboy |
| The Poppy on 19:56 - Nov 2 by Lohengrin |
Tell me, Clase, when you put money into a poppy collection tin what motivates you? |
To contribute to a fund that helps ex-servicemen and women who need it. I'd have thought that was fairly self evident. | |
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| The Poppy on 20:03 - Nov 2 with 1198 views | Lohengrin |
| The Poppy on 19:57 - Nov 2 by exiledclaseboy |
Ha yeah. It's all the fault if the least read newspaper in the country that appearing on TV for three weeks at the end of October/beginning of November every year without wearing a poppy is now almost a capital offence which means that the offender is obviously disrespecting war dead deliberately. |
'Ooooh! Those nasty proles are threatening us.'
There are three things every year that mark the run-up to Armistice Day. The clocks go back, the old boys set up the RBL stall in the market and the 'luvvies' start their piglet squealing! [Post edited 2 Nov 2016 20:04]
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