| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... 16:15 - Jan 11 with 14177 views | MyFinalHeaven |
Then it's even more certain that we're going to go down. If not this season, then the next.
Olsson is a player who has been linked with us in every window since 2014. And every time there was news about our interest in him, I dreaded it. In the 7 seasons he has played in the Premier League he has never proven that he is good enough. It's very telling that no less than 3 TIMES has a club been relegated with him as their starting left back: in the 11/12 season with Blackburn, in the 12/13 season with Norwich, and again with Norwich last season. Currently, he's hardly cutting it in the Championship.
I've been very vocal about my displeasure of seeing Neil Taylor week in and week out in the teamsheet and the need for this to be changed, but Martin Olsson should not be the one to take his place. This is an upgrade in the sense that a piece of shÃt has had a little sugar sprinkled on it. It's a completely negligible upgrade. Even as unbelievably atrocious as Taylor is, Olsson is hardly better.
The fact that we bought him, and paid £5m no less, is utterly fvcking ridiculous. If this is the kind of player we're going to sign, then it's crystal clear that Huw Jenkins has learned absolutely nothing from his mistakes. Still, we're throwing money at lower league players who aren't good enough at this level, and still, our recruitment is as pathetic as ever.
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| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 21:02 - Jan 11 with 1960 views | MyFinalHeaven |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 20:28 - Jan 11 by TheResurrection |
Have I missed something then? Like in the last half hour? Has he joined a club in that time?? |
That's not what you said. You said there was only one club in for him. That is completely untrue. | |
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| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 21:14 - Jan 11 with 1923 views | JackBaston |
These signings stink of getting ready for the championship, no ambition at all |  | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 21:51 - Jan 11 with 1854 views | jesushchrist |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 21:14 - Jan 11 by JackBaston |
These signings stink of getting ready for the championship, no ambition at all |
Am I the only one who is happy if we sign Olsson.......anyone who puts Neil the kunt Taylor on the bench is a future swans legend in my eyes. |  | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 21:57 - Jan 11 with 1830 views | Griffting |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 21:14 - Jan 11 by JackBaston |
These signings stink of getting ready for the championship, no ambition at all |
Who would you like to see come in this window? |  | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 22:11 - Jan 11 with 1802 views | AngelRangelQS |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 21:57 - Jan 11 by Griffting |
Who would you like to see come in this window? |
He'd like to see people on the fringes of the big clubs on loan (rarely happens - Everton are refusing to loan out McCarthy despite the fact he's way down the pecking order) or extremely talented youngsters from top clubs in less fashionable leagues who will crawl over hot coals to sign for a club in the middle of nowhere, who are 19th in the league having had 5 "permanent" managers in the last 14 months, for a relegation wage reduction. |  | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 22:12 - Jan 11 with 1797 views | jesushchrist |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 22:11 - Jan 11 by AngelRangelQS |
He'd like to see people on the fringes of the big clubs on loan (rarely happens - Everton are refusing to loan out McCarthy despite the fact he's way down the pecking order) or extremely talented youngsters from top clubs in less fashionable leagues who will crawl over hot coals to sign for a club in the middle of nowhere, who are 19th in the league having had 5 "permanent" managers in the last 14 months, for a relegation wage reduction. |
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| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 22:18 - Jan 11 with 1775 views | jesushchrist |
It's not about getting in the big names warming the bench from other clubs, I would rather players who will put a shift in to make a name for themselves and hopefully turn our fortunes around, with the right attitude and a bit of fighting spirit who knows what will happen. | | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 22:29 - Jan 11 with 1722 views | AngelRangelQS |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 22:18 - Jan 11 by jesushchrist |
It's not about getting in the big names warming the bench from other clubs, I would rather players who will put a shift in to make a name for themselves and hopefully turn our fortunes around, with the right attitude and a bit of fighting spirit who knows what will happen. |
There's very little incentive for those clubs to loan their players out anyway. Some of them are still competing in 3 or 4 competitions and won't risk leaving themselves short.
It's no different to fans from a championship club debating about getting McBurnie or Kingsley on loan from us. | | | |
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| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 22:30 - Jan 11 with 1721 views | NeiltheTaylor |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 20:59 - Jan 11 by londonlisa2001 |
Well he may be now.
Until yesterday it was unlikely. |
It seemed unlikely that we were going to complete the Olsson deal until someone stuck the nut on Taylor in training...prime suspect is Kingsley | |
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| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 22:39 - Jan 11 with 1694 views | LeonWasGod |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 19:29 - Jan 11 by nantywatcher |
Apart from me is anyone on this thread over 12 years old? |
I'm just about, although I don't think my IQ is that high. |  | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 22:43 - Jan 11 with 1682 views | raynor94 |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 19:38 - Jan 11 by MyFinalHeaven |
Not sure what statistics you're looking at. Since the 07/08 season he's made 224 total club appearances. It's a pretty good number considering he had some injuries and was playing for Barcelona, Sevilla, and Juventus where he was competing with arguably the best defenders in the world. |
Sorry plus 29 cup appearances, don't include his International appearances, not great for ten years |  |
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| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 23:29 - Jan 11 with 1636 views | JJJack |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 22:43 - Jan 11 by raynor94 |
Sorry plus 29 cup appearances, don't include his International appearances, not great for ten years |
Raynor you're having a mare here. Caceres has played 315 games including internationals in 10 seasons prior to this one. He's hardly rent-a-crock or Darren Anderton is he? |  | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 23:32 - Jan 11 with 1631 views | JackBaston |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 22:11 - Jan 11 by AngelRangelQS |
He'd like to see people on the fringes of the big clubs on loan (rarely happens - Everton are refusing to loan out McCarthy despite the fact he's way down the pecking order) or extremely talented youngsters from top clubs in less fashionable leagues who will crawl over hot coals to sign for a club in the middle of nowhere, who are 19th in the league having had 5 "permanent" managers in the last 14 months, for a relegation wage reduction. |
You dont have to put relegation clauses on loans
Not sure you understand how the loan market works son | | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 23:35 - Jan 11 with 1621 views | JackBaston |
The main reason Im against these signings is because theyre 1 million percent not touted by Clement or our Moneyball expert
Theyre all Jenkins targets that werent good enough in the last year and a half, but now suddenly theyre going to turn our season around | | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 23:36 - Jan 11 with 1618 views | Jacket |
What a ridiculous thread. Who did you expect to rock up at the Liberty? Danny Rose? Monreal? Only consideration is if he's better than Taylor, or even Kingsley now seeing as Taylor is injured. | | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 23:48 - Jan 11 with 1593 views | raynor94 |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 23:29 - Jan 11 by JJJack |
Raynor you're having a mare here. Caceres has played 315 games including internationals in 10 seasons prior to this one. He's hardly rent-a-crock or Darren Anderton is he? |
Well I'm reading wiki, and soccerbase, my apologies if these two are wrong | |
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| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 23:51 - Jan 11 with 1587 views | AngelRangelQS |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 23:32 - Jan 11 by JackBaston |
You dont have to put relegation clauses on loans
Not sure you understand how the loan market works son |
Come on then, who do you think we can get on loan?
We'll bookmark it and then on Feb 1st, we'll see how many of them actually move to comparable clubs, son. | | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 00:10 - Jan 12 with 1564 views | JackBaston |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 23:51 - Jan 11 by AngelRangelQS |
Come on then, who do you think we can get on loan?
We'll bookmark it and then on Feb 1st, we'll see how many of them actually move to comparable clubs, son. |
A couple of years ago, a small club that just got promoted to the prem got in a loanee from a top German club
Ive stated on other threads who I think could come, whether or not they would or not I cant do anything about
But backing the club to not even enquire and to settle for mediocrity is not something Im happy with | | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 01:50 - Jan 12 with 1497 views | MyFinalHeaven |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 00:10 - Jan 12 by JackBaston |
A couple of years ago, a small club that just got promoted to the prem got in a loanee from a top German club
Ive stated on other threads who I think could come, whether or not they would or not I cant do anything about
But backing the club to not even enquire and to settle for mediocrity is not something Im happy with |
Who is the loanee in question? | |
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| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 02:02 - Jan 12 with 1492 views | Griffting |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 01:50 - Jan 12 by MyFinalHeaven |
Who is the loanee in question? |
I'm assuming he means Gylfi?
I take umbrage with Hoffenheim being a top German club mind. | | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 02:11 - Jan 12 with 1488 views | MyFinalHeaven |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 18:24 - Jan 11 by Starsky |
I for one am going to reserve judgement on Olsson until hes played a few games for us.
I don't think we can expect top notch signings when we're entrenched in the relegation zone. |
I'm not expecting "top notch signings." I'm expecting decent players who are worthy upgrades over who we currently have and who can and will help us beat the odds and stay up. Is that really too much to ask for?
Instead we got a guy who has never proven himself to be good enough at this level and who has been relegated 3 times in the 4 seasons he's been a starting left back in the Prem. Olsson is 28 years old, and will be 29 by the end of the season. Players who are inadequate and bang average like Olsson do not suddenly turn good at the latter half of their careers. I want to be optimistic, but it just doesn't happen.
It's funny. In his first press conference as owner Levien said that his most important priority was for the team to "have the resources to succeed" and that he "want[ed] to make a splash" when asked about transfer spending. As it happened, we instead got approximately £0 in investment and to date there still has been fvck all. Incredible how even with our Premier League status in jeopardy this greedy, deceiving cvnt still hasn't put in a pound, and is happy to see Jenkins continue his policy of spending bit part money on bit part players. | |
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| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 02:32 - Jan 12 with 1476 views | JackBaston |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 01:50 - Jan 12 by MyFinalHeaven |
Who is the loanee in question? |
I do mean Gylfi yeah
But you look at players like Cambiasso who went to Leicester and kept them up
Kirchoff joined Sunderland from Bayern when they were rock bottom last year
Think people are underestimating our club a bit too much, we can definitely do better than Olssen, Carroll and Narsingh | | | |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 03:50 - Jan 12 with 1449 views | FerrieBodde |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 02:32 - Jan 12 by JackBaston |
I do mean Gylfi yeah
But you look at players like Cambiasso who went to Leicester and kept them up
Kirchoff joined Sunderland from Bayern when they were rock bottom last year
Think people are underestimating our club a bit too much, we can definitely do better than Olssen, Carroll and Narsingh |
Agreed.
It's utterly amazing how people here think that just because we're in the relegation zone it means that we will be unable to get any decent players. Are these idiots completely unaware that it's happened many times in the past where a great player went to a side fighting relegation?
But forget great or decent players. Even bonafide stars have come to bottom 3 sides before. In 2003 a Birmingham City side fighting relegation managed to secure a former Barca and Milan forward and World Cup and Euro winner who had made 55 caps for France, Christophe Dugarry. He ended up playing a gigantic part in keeping them up and even has a spot in their Hall of Fame despite only having played 2 seasons for B'ham.
Then there's West Ham in 06/07. These guys were rock bottom of the league, absolutely hopeless, and only an absolute miracle was going to keep them up. But even despite all that they managed to get freaking Javier Mascherano (yes, that one), a guy who had then already become the Argentine NT's starting DM and was widely regarded as one of the best players in Latin America. As we all know, he would go on to play a major role in what is now regarded as "The Great Escape" and was sold thereafter to Liverpool for big bucks. [Post edited 12 Jan 2017 3:51]
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| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 05:33 - Jan 12 with 1428 views | Cooperman |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 02:32 - Jan 12 by JackBaston |
I do mean Gylfi yeah
But you look at players like Cambiasso who went to Leicester and kept them up
Kirchoff joined Sunderland from Bayern when they were rock bottom last year
Think people are underestimating our club a bit too much, we can definitely do better than Olssen, Carroll and Narsingh |
Bayern got rid of Kirchoff because he's never more than 60% fit and the Sunderland fans knew that when the saw the photo of him holding up a red and white striped shirt. Not much has changed since. All in all a good bit of business by those in Munchen. |  |
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| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 07:21 - Jan 12 with 1373 views | CambJack |
| If Martin Olsson is the kind of player we're going to sign... on 03:50 - Jan 12 by FerrieBodde |
Agreed.
It's utterly amazing how people here think that just because we're in the relegation zone it means that we will be unable to get any decent players. Are these idiots completely unaware that it's happened many times in the past where a great player went to a side fighting relegation?
But forget great or decent players. Even bonafide stars have come to bottom 3 sides before. In 2003 a Birmingham City side fighting relegation managed to secure a former Barca and Milan forward and World Cup and Euro winner who had made 55 caps for France, Christophe Dugarry. He ended up playing a gigantic part in keeping them up and even has a spot in their Hall of Fame despite only having played 2 seasons for B'ham.
Then there's West Ham in 06/07. These guys were rock bottom of the league, absolutely hopeless, and only an absolute miracle was going to keep them up. But even despite all that they managed to get freaking Javier Mascherano (yes, that one), a guy who had then already become the Argentine NT's starting DM and was widely regarded as one of the best players in Latin America. As we all know, he would go on to play a major role in what is now regarded as "The Great Escape" and was sold thereafter to Liverpool for big bucks. [Post edited 12 Jan 2017 3:51]
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And as we all know, the tevez/mascherano deals were so dodgy rules were put in place across world football to make sure they didn't happen again, nearly costing West Ham a fortune and points deduction as a result. They weren't exactly known world beaters anyway the day they signed.
And comparing deals today to deals in 2003 is lunacy, the world of football has changed massively since then. If a comparable Dugarry was available today you can bet he'd be asking for a lot more money [Post edited 12 Jan 2017 7:26]
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