| Trump defending the typing pool 13:55 - Jun 11 with 5230 views | YouTubeDale |
You've got to admire Trump in sticking to his word in his election campaign in defending Pitsburgh jobs against the Paris climate agreement but it is a futile act, because coal is being taken over rapidly by solar energy (much kinder to the environment). It is like defending the typing pool when the computer is already generations old, as the article below suggests. Perhaps, in his defence, we may have a few years of coal left giving workers a little longer but at the expense of the inevitable pollution.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/solar-energy-revolutionizing-markets-while-111002997.h |  |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 14:02 - Jun 11 with 3969 views | 1mark1 |
Absolutely correct. People employed in fossil fuel industries could instead be employed in the manufacturing and fitting of soar panels and other renewable industries.
Be a lot healthier for the workers involved, also the environment would be better for them and the rest of us. |  |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 18:59 - Jun 11 with 3852 views | since58 |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 14:02 - Jun 11 by 1mark1 |
Absolutely correct. People employed in fossil fuel industries could instead be employed in the manufacturing and fitting of soar panels and other renewable industries.
Be a lot healthier for the workers involved, also the environment would be better for them and the rest of us. |
Maggie must have been light years ahead eh. |  | | |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:02 - Jun 11 with 3846 views | D_Alien |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 18:59 - Jun 11 by since58 |
Maggie must have been light years ahead eh. |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:11 - Jun 11 with 3825 views | damon791 |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 18:59 - Jun 11 by since58 |
Maggie must have been light years ahead eh. |
All Maggie did was stamp over all the working class. | | | |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:21 - Jun 11 with 3807 views | since58 |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:11 - Jun 11 by damon791 |
All Maggie did was stamp over all the working class. |
has scargill still got that apartment in London b.t.w. | | | |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:30 - Jun 11 with 3793 views | 49thseason |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 14:02 - Jun 11 by 1mark1 |
Absolutely correct. People employed in fossil fuel industries could instead be employed in the manufacturing and fitting of soar panels and other renewable industries.
Be a lot healthier for the workers involved, also the environment would be better for them and the rest of us. |
The problem is not the use of coal but the efficient capture of Co2 and particulates. There is no reason why coal cannot remain an integrated if declining part of US energy policies alongside windpower, solar, nuclear biomass etc for many decades. Many developed and developing countries intend to continue to keep or introduce coal as part of their energy mix with highly efficient coal-fired power stations central to their supplies:
Two examples:
In 2015, the Japanese government set a new energy policy that includes a 2030 energy supply-and-demand target. The policy was developed to balance energy security, economy, environment, and safety. The power generation national targets set for 2030 are nuclear 22%, coal 26%, LNG 27%, oil 3%, and renewables 22%. Coal-fired power will contribute 56% to the baseload, as the government aims to ensure around 60% baseload for stable supply, together with nuclear, hydropower, geothermal, and biomass.
Diversification of Dubai’s energy sources is a key focus of DIES 2030. This has led to several projects to increase future energy security including the proposed building of a clean coal power plant, solar, and encouragement of Independent Power Producer (IPP) projects. The Mohamed bin Rashid Al Maktoum Solar Park is an example of Dubai’s commitment to renewable energy. Other important elements in development include the use of imported nuclear energy, clean coal, waste-to-energy, hybrid and electric vehicles, and the distributed solar program (Shams Dubai). |  | | |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:38 - Jun 11 with 3780 views | since58 |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:30 - Jun 11 by 49thseason |
The problem is not the use of coal but the efficient capture of Co2 and particulates. There is no reason why coal cannot remain an integrated if declining part of US energy policies alongside windpower, solar, nuclear biomass etc for many decades. Many developed and developing countries intend to continue to keep or introduce coal as part of their energy mix with highly efficient coal-fired power stations central to their supplies:
Two examples:
In 2015, the Japanese government set a new energy policy that includes a 2030 energy supply-and-demand target. The policy was developed to balance energy security, economy, environment, and safety. The power generation national targets set for 2030 are nuclear 22%, coal 26%, LNG 27%, oil 3%, and renewables 22%. Coal-fired power will contribute 56% to the baseload, as the government aims to ensure around 60% baseload for stable supply, together with nuclear, hydropower, geothermal, and biomass.
Diversification of Dubai’s energy sources is a key focus of DIES 2030. This has led to several projects to increase future energy security including the proposed building of a clean coal power plant, solar, and encouragement of Independent Power Producer (IPP) projects. The Mohamed bin Rashid Al Maktoum Solar Park is an example of Dubai’s commitment to renewable energy. Other important elements in development include the use of imported nuclear energy, clean coal, waste-to-energy, hybrid and electric vehicles, and the distributed solar program (Shams Dubai). |
Just what I was thinking.??? | | | |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:40 - Jun 11 with 3778 views | 1mark1 |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:30 - Jun 11 by 49thseason |
The problem is not the use of coal but the efficient capture of Co2 and particulates. There is no reason why coal cannot remain an integrated if declining part of US energy policies alongside windpower, solar, nuclear biomass etc for many decades. Many developed and developing countries intend to continue to keep or introduce coal as part of their energy mix with highly efficient coal-fired power stations central to their supplies:
Two examples:
In 2015, the Japanese government set a new energy policy that includes a 2030 energy supply-and-demand target. The policy was developed to balance energy security, economy, environment, and safety. The power generation national targets set for 2030 are nuclear 22%, coal 26%, LNG 27%, oil 3%, and renewables 22%. Coal-fired power will contribute 56% to the baseload, as the government aims to ensure around 60% baseload for stable supply, together with nuclear, hydropower, geothermal, and biomass.
Diversification of Dubai’s energy sources is a key focus of DIES 2030. This has led to several projects to increase future energy security including the proposed building of a clean coal power plant, solar, and encouragement of Independent Power Producer (IPP) projects. The Mohamed bin Rashid Al Maktoum Solar Park is an example of Dubai’s commitment to renewable energy. Other important elements in development include the use of imported nuclear energy, clean coal, waste-to-energy, hybrid and electric vehicles, and the distributed solar program (Shams Dubai). |
But why use coal, when there are cheaper alternatives available? Coal mining is a dangerous job, bad for the miners, and the digging of coal can create problems above ground. Especially in USA and other countries where they could produce 100% of their requirements of energy from renewables. | |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:45 - Jun 11 with 3767 views | 1mark1 |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 18:59 - Jun 11 by since58 |
Maggie must have been light years ahead eh. |
Except that she continued to use just the same amount of coal, instead mined by 10 year olds in South America. Ended up saving the country nothing, as the amount it cost to mothball the mines shut, and paying out millions in redundancy, and dole payments etc, as well as the increased in poverty levels in the villages and surrounding areas. | |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:11 - Jun 11 with 3723 views | D_Alien |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:45 - Jun 11 by 1mark1 |
Except that she continued to use just the same amount of coal, instead mined by 10 year olds in South America. Ended up saving the country nothing, as the amount it cost to mothball the mines shut, and paying out millions in redundancy, and dole payments etc, as well as the increased in poverty levels in the villages and surrounding areas. |
I think you'll find that far more mines were closed, and miners jobs lost, under Labour governments than Conservative, particularly during the Wilson era of 1964-70
But of course, it's ok for a Labour government to shut mines, isn't it? | |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:17 - Jun 11 with 3707 views | isitme |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:40 - Jun 11 by 1mark1 |
But why use coal, when there are cheaper alternatives available? Coal mining is a dangerous job, bad for the miners, and the digging of coal can create problems above ground. Especially in USA and other countries where they could produce 100% of their requirements of energy from renewables. |
Reliability of supply and the increase in fuel poverty?
Renewable energy is currently more expensive to produce. Hydro electric is probably the most effective of the renewables but only suitable in certain places.
A cost effective way of the large scale storing of generated energy would be a massive technological break through. |  | | |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:24 - Jun 11 with 3692 views | 1mark1 |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:11 - Jun 11 by D_Alien |
I think you'll find that far more mines were closed, and miners jobs lost, under Labour governments than Conservative, particularly during the Wilson era of 1964-70
But of course, it's ok for a Labour government to shut mines, isn't it? |
Yes I am fully aware of the number of pits closed by previous governments prior to 1979. However there was a big difference. The pits closed had come to the productive lives, and they were closed with full agreement of the local Unions . Also the coal use was declining at that time. Another difference was that many of the miners could be transferred to other working pits, that were in the same area. When Thatcher closed the pits, she then imported tons of the stuff to replace the British coal, also the pits still had plenty of coal, and were indeed still productive. | |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:30 - Jun 11 with 3684 views | 49thseason |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 19:40 - Jun 11 by 1mark1 |
But why use coal, when there are cheaper alternatives available? Coal mining is a dangerous job, bad for the miners, and the digging of coal can create problems above ground. Especially in USA and other countries where they could produce 100% of their requirements of energy from renewables. |
I would be surprised if the coal industry in the US lasts another 20 years but at least the Trump policy buys time to ease it out of production slowly and replace it with cleaner jobs without mass closures and redundancies and the decimation of whole communities. There are huge open cast mines which will probably continue for much longer than underground mining which is clearly more expensive in labour terms. | | | |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:38 - Jun 11 with 3668 views | 1mark1 |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:17 - Jun 11 by isitme |
Reliability of supply and the increase in fuel poverty?
Renewable energy is currently more expensive to produce. Hydro electric is probably the most effective of the renewables but only suitable in certain places.
A cost effective way of the large scale storing of generated energy would be a massive technological break through. |
In the USA, renewable energy could very easily, reliably produce all requirements of energy needs.
Even in this country, at this stage, it could produce at least 80 % if the will was there.
Cost coming down all the tine, and if it had the same level of subsidy as fossil fuels, and Nuclear it would be at least as cheap. Agree re Hydro. Also wave power, tidal power. All suitable public buildings could have solar panels, and or even a wind turbine
Yes it's getting there, Tesla I believe are almost there. | |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:40 - Jun 11 with 3663 views | D_Alien |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:24 - Jun 11 by 1mark1 |
Yes I am fully aware of the number of pits closed by previous governments prior to 1979. However there was a big difference. The pits closed had come to the productive lives, and they were closed with full agreement of the local Unions . Also the coal use was declining at that time. Another difference was that many of the miners could be transferred to other working pits, that were in the same area. When Thatcher closed the pits, she then imported tons of the stuff to replace the British coal, also the pits still had plenty of coal, and were indeed still productive. |
There was indeed coal still left to be mined, but the actions of the miners leaders made it not only uneconomical for them to continue (through ever-increasing wage demands - yep, miners do a hard and dangerous job and deserve good money, but not when the wage demands meant they'd have to be subsidised by taxpayers), but also because their leaders were driven by political motivation rather than the interests of their members, which indeed backfired when the mines were closed and the miners lost their jobs | |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:52 - Jun 11 with 3635 views | 1mark1 |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:40 - Jun 11 by D_Alien |
There was indeed coal still left to be mined, but the actions of the miners leaders made it not only uneconomical for them to continue (through ever-increasing wage demands - yep, miners do a hard and dangerous job and deserve good money, but not when the wage demands meant they'd have to be subsidised by taxpayers), but also because their leaders were driven by political motivation rather than the interests of their members, which indeed backfired when the mines were closed and the miners lost their jobs |
Between the miners strike of the 70s and the 84-85' strike, the mining industry had been dispute free in the main. Wages had kept up with inflation, but no more on average. Mines were still closing, as before , when it was correct to close them. It was Thatcher that started the political nature of the mining closure process, bringing in a known Union buster from America.
Every single thing which the Num leadership forecast, came true, i.e. the true nature of the closure programme. The programme cost more to implement than the savings made, costing the economy millions. | |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:58 - Jun 11 with 3618 views | mingthemerciless |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:40 - Jun 11 by D_Alien |
There was indeed coal still left to be mined, but the actions of the miners leaders made it not only uneconomical for them to continue (through ever-increasing wage demands - yep, miners do a hard and dangerous job and deserve good money, but not when the wage demands meant they'd have to be subsidised by taxpayers), but also because their leaders were driven by political motivation rather than the interests of their members, which indeed backfired when the mines were closed and the miners lost their jobs |
A conscious decision was made by the Thatcher Governmmen to crush the miners and by example intimidate the rest of the organised workers movements.
We are still living with repercussions of that act. | | | |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 21:27 - Jun 11 with 3586 views | D_Alien |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:58 - Jun 11 by mingthemerciless |
A conscious decision was made by the Thatcher Governmmen to crush the miners and by example intimidate the rest of the organised workers movements.
We are still living with repercussions of that act. |
A conscious decision was made by the Thatcher government to ensure that no particular interest group could dictate to the government of the day what their labour costs would be, or else. This was in response to the continual strike threats which had led to the downfall of the Heath government in 1974 (quite topical these days!) and the resulting economic shambles of the 1974-79 period which swept Thatcher into government with huge majorities in 1979, 1983 and 1987
We are indeed living with the repercussions, which is the ever-rising living standards in a economy which back in those days was termed "the sick man of europe". I'll take those repercussions, as would the signatories of the Paris Agreement, which brings us full circle to Donald Trump. He's for the miners, don't you know. Do you support him?
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 21:32 - Jun 11 with 3568 views | mingthemerciless |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 21:27 - Jun 11 by D_Alien |
A conscious decision was made by the Thatcher government to ensure that no particular interest group could dictate to the government of the day what their labour costs would be, or else. This was in response to the continual strike threats which had led to the downfall of the Heath government in 1974 (quite topical these days!) and the resulting economic shambles of the 1974-79 period which swept Thatcher into government with huge majorities in 1979, 1983 and 1987
We are indeed living with the repercussions, which is the ever-rising living standards in a economy which back in those days was termed "the sick man of europe". I'll take those repercussions, as would the signatories of the Paris Agreement, which brings us full circle to Donald Trump. He's for the miners, don't you know. Do you support him?
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He's a billionaire, what do you think ? As for rising living standards - in the immortal words of John McEnroe - " You must be joking ". [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 21:35]
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 21:35 - Jun 11 with 3557 views | D_Alien |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 21:32 - Jun 11 by mingthemerciless |
He's a billionaire, what do you think ? As for rising living standards - in the immortal words of John McEnroe - " You must be joking ". [Post edited 11 Jun 2017 21:35]
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I suspect you don't, but the miners in the US coalfields ain't bothered how rich he is (maybe they're not as caught up in the politics of envy?) as long as they have coal to extract
So which is it you support? The US miners or the Paris Climate Agreement?
PS: I'm not joking, I'm stating facts , which for you is "an inconvenient truth"
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 21:39 - Jun 11 with 3540 views | mingthemerciless |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 21:35 - Jun 11 by D_Alien |
I suspect you don't, but the miners in the US coalfields ain't bothered how rich he is (maybe they're not as caught up in the politics of envy?) as long as they have coal to extract
So which is it you support? The US miners or the Paris Climate Agreement?
PS: I'm not joking, I'm stating facts , which for you is "an inconvenient truth"
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I'd support both at the moment but in a sensible world the production of coal needs to be gradually phased out now we have alternative means of energy production. | | | |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 21:40 - Jun 11 with 3536 views | D_Alien |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 21:39 - Jun 11 by mingthemerciless |
I'd support both at the moment but in a sensible world the production of coal needs to be gradually phased out now we have alternative means of energy production. |
I agree | |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 22:13 - Jun 11 with 3488 views | YouTubeDale |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:17 - Jun 11 by isitme |
Reliability of supply and the increase in fuel poverty?
Renewable energy is currently more expensive to produce. Hydro electric is probably the most effective of the renewables but only suitable in certain places.
A cost effective way of the large scale storing of generated energy would be a massive technological break through. |
The cost effective solution is already with us today. It is called the Vanadium Flow battery. Totally safe, allowing instant storage of electricity and released on demand over countless cycles available at economic prices.
Vanadium will be a household word within 5 years. Africa's electricity solution for most of the population, for example, is within touching distance using the VFB.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/welcome-smart-fusion-solar-trackers-vanadium-flow | |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 08:30 - Jun 12 with 3298 views | kiwidale |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:17 - Jun 11 by isitme |
Reliability of supply and the increase in fuel poverty?
Renewable energy is currently more expensive to produce. Hydro electric is probably the most effective of the renewables but only suitable in certain places.
A cost effective way of the large scale storing of generated energy would be a massive technological break through. |
no need for technological breakthrough NikolaTesla could have supplied free electrical energy as early as 1920 but his ideas were sabotaged by Edison and the banking cartel ie Rothschild associate JP Morgan. the reason being there is no profit in free energy do the research and stop believing lies. | |
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| Trump defending the typing pool on 08:33 - Jun 12 with 3295 views | kiwidale |
| Trump defending the typing pool on 20:38 - Jun 11 by 1mark1 |
In the USA, renewable energy could very easily, reliably produce all requirements of energy needs.
Even in this country, at this stage, it could produce at least 80 % if the will was there.
Cost coming down all the tine, and if it had the same level of subsidy as fossil fuels, and Nuclear it would be at least as cheap. Agree re Hydro. Also wave power, tidal power. All suitable public buildings could have solar panels, and or even a wind turbine
Yes it's getting there, Tesla I believe are almost there. |
Tesla wasnt getting there he was there but his ideas were sabotaged on the alter of profits and in the interests of big business. [Post edited 12 Jun 2017 8:40]
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