| Removal of the current CEO 21:06 - Nov 24 with 12956 views | SI_Blue |
Not sure about any planned protests but the time has come to remove the current CEO before too much damage is done. There are people who have in the past, taken action against the board ready to do the same again.
Nobody is against BBM and everybody is for the continuation of this club with sustainability and some much needed backing for new recruits in January. Signings that will not place the club in jeopardy in the long run. Nobody is against the Trust but more direct action is needed and if you cannot ramp the pressure up on the toy maker, then we will make sure he leaves by continued pressure and exposing him for what he is.
This club was here before DB and will be here after he is gone! As supporters we have a duty to be the custodians of the future and plan a replacement when the tide rises and washes this fraud out to sea.
He managed to slip the net given the sacking of KH and the fight for survival last season. Well what goes around comes around and people have not forgotten how CD was treated by these frauds and karma is a bastard when served correctly.
Long live our beautiful club, it is time for those who care to stand up and take action. [Post edited 24 Nov 2019 21:10]
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| Removal of the current CEO on 10:48 - Nov 25 with 3863 views | ParkinsGimp |
Bit extreme I think , yes ask the questions as some on here already are and the trust " sort of " are following that line as well.
As for a removal of Dumbo and KJH , surely you are not suggesting our glorious leader should of stayed. He , unfortunately , had lost the plot and Dumbo far from being the sane chairman had let the lunatic run the asylum with some very dodgy deals and way over priced weekly wages for sub standard players.
We need to see what January brings and if no new faces or a bit of funds available then keep asking the questions, because its quite apparent this team needs improving in certain areas and certain players need off loading. | | | |
| Removal of the current CEO on 11:03 - Nov 25 with 3826 views | dingdangblue |
Hi SI Blue, so your 1st ever post as a Dale fan is one to suggest removing our current CEO?
Very good.
Get down to bury market lad and get yourself some pre Christmas bargains - that will pass the time better than trolling on here. |  |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 11:53 - Nov 25 with 3721 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
I’ve said on the “We are so lucky to have him” thread that personal attacks/abuse do no good & I re iterate that.
However, the board need to realise that it’s precisely because of events at Gigg, Macc & Bolton & rumours of issues at Oldham among others that fans are worried & getting jumpy. There appear to be conflicting statements coming from the club in the last 11 months. CD apparently stated that the clubs finances were in good health when he left & no one (to my knowledge) had any reason to doubt that.
Fast forward 10 months or so & despite significant money in which was not budgeted for the trust have been told that there’s no money to bolster a struggling side.
The shareholders rightly will have first call on the clubs accounts when they are due out but IMO mr Bottomley needs to meet with representatives of the trust urgently to give them a more open brief of the current financial situation. If nothing is done then the rumour mill will only intensify leading to division, misinformation & discord among the support. |  | | |
| Removal of the current CEO on 12:20 - Nov 25 with 3639 views | fitzochris |
While our OP is absolutely no doubt a WUM, the text he copied and pasted clearly exists somewhere out there on the interweb. |  |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 12:25 - Nov 25 with 3620 views | judd |
| Removal of the current CEO on 11:53 - Nov 25 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
I’ve said on the “We are so lucky to have him” thread that personal attacks/abuse do no good & I re iterate that.
However, the board need to realise that it’s precisely because of events at Gigg, Macc & Bolton & rumours of issues at Oldham among others that fans are worried & getting jumpy. There appear to be conflicting statements coming from the club in the last 11 months. CD apparently stated that the clubs finances were in good health when he left & no one (to my knowledge) had any reason to doubt that.
Fast forward 10 months or so & despite significant money in which was not budgeted for the trust have been told that there’s no money to bolster a struggling side.
The shareholders rightly will have first call on the clubs accounts when they are due out but IMO mr Bottomley needs to meet with representatives of the trust urgently to give them a more open brief of the current financial situation. If nothing is done then the rumour mill will only intensify leading to division, misinformation & discord among the support. |
All good points.
In addition, extracts from the Memo of Understanding signed by both club & Trust:
"The club will:
1) Provide a suitable level of financial information split into appropriate categories and with a level of detail that builds trust and understanding of how the club is being run
4) Take the opportunity to discuss any potential ownership changes including future opportunity for supporters to invest in their club
Both parties will:
2) Respect that some items may be sensitive and deemed confidential, with an agreed protocol about how they should be reported
Each party hereby confirms its agreement to the terms contained in this memorandum of understanding" |  |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 09:31 - Nov 26 with 3221 views | RooleyMoorBlue |
Have the current incumbents passed the mandatory `fit and proper` tests that are now required by the FL? If so, that would be something the CEO could use to back his position.
Has anyone asked if this test has even been taken? I would hope the FL would be able to answer this question.
I`m asking this only out of concern for my club, especially after everything that has gone before with our near neighbours. |  | | |
| Removal of the current CEO on 09:42 - Nov 26 with 3200 views | judd |
| Removal of the current CEO on 09:31 - Nov 26 by RooleyMoorBlue |
Have the current incumbents passed the mandatory `fit and proper` tests that are now required by the FL? If so, that would be something the CEO could use to back his position.
Has anyone asked if this test has even been taken? I would hope the FL would be able to answer this question.
I`m asking this only out of concern for my club, especially after everything that has gone before with our near neighbours. |
The Trust asked the question re: fit and proper test and the answer was yes. | |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 09:51 - Nov 26 with 3174 views | RooleyMoorBlue |
| Removal of the current CEO on 09:42 - Nov 26 by judd |
The Trust asked the question re: fit and proper test and the answer was yes. |
Unfortunately I don`t think the test is fit for purpose, as has been proved in the past. But, I suppose as long as everything is above board as regards that, we should have nothing to worry about. That said, I still have a horrible feeling about the way things are being run and just hope it`s more to do with my "glass half empty" mentality, rather than anything untoward going on at the club. | | | |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 12:33 - Nov 26 with 3077 views | electricblue |
Going back to funding new signings and giving money to BBM to bolster the squad dont forget to take into account the income from what would come from the Bury home match.
Wasnt the figure mentioned around £75k......
That is £75k the club need to find before anything else.... |  |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 12:36 - Nov 26 with 3063 views | judd |
| Removal of the current CEO on 12:33 - Nov 26 by electricblue |
Going back to funding new signings and giving money to BBM to bolster the squad dont forget to take into account the income from what would come from the Bury home match.
Wasnt the figure mentioned around £75k......
That is £75k the club need to find before anything else.... |
That figure is dwarfed by the Manu income. | |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 13:02 - Nov 26 with 3010 views | electricblue |
| Removal of the current CEO on 12:36 - Nov 26 by judd |
That figure is dwarfed by the Manu income. |
Maybe but i would not put it past Bottomley to say that utd money is earmarked towards something else and theres still £75k to find....... | |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 13:38 - Nov 26 with 2961 views | judd |
| Removal of the current CEO on 13:02 - Nov 26 by electricblue |
Maybe but i would not put it past Bottomley to say that utd money is earmarked towards something else and theres still £75k to find....... |
The club has had the money from 2000 or so season ticket holders for the bury game without any intention of a refund, nor do I think any fan would begrudge that. | |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 14:09 - Nov 26 with 2925 views | DaleiLama |
| Removal of the current CEO on 13:38 - Nov 26 by judd |
The club has had the money from 2000 or so season ticket holders for the bury game without any intention of a refund, nor do I think any fan would begrudge that. |
It's a home fixture during which we won't concede and can't lose, with nary a back pass in sight. There have already been lots of worse Saturdays. |  |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 15:12 - Nov 26 with 2853 views | TomRAFC |
The original post is hardly a sensible contribution to the discussion.
What is true is that some fans certainly seem to have a strong dislike of Mr Bottomley and whether that be based on hearsay or evidence, it's still an issue.
I'm not basing any of this on my own personal opinions. I was chatting with several long term Dale fans on Saturday who aren't people who tend towards the reactionary or melodramatic. The general view from those who dislike Mr Bottomley seemed to be that he comes across as arrogant/self-aggrandizing, and that this has not inspired trust. There were also people citing his lack of experience as a CEO in football. Given their lack of trust, some folk seemed concerned as to how much free reign Mr Bottomley has/how absent the chairman is from the day to day running of the club. The past tales of his involvement with the toy pricing don't seem to have faded into the past as much as some might have expected.
I am by no means saying these concerns reflect the truth of what goes on behind the scenes. What I am saying is that aside from some people who tend towards drama, there are level headed people who do seem concerned. True or not, the last thing we need is tension between the fans and the club. [Post edited 26 Nov 2019 15:13]
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| Removal of the current CEO on 17:02 - Nov 26 with 2718 views | dalefan119 |
| Removal of the current CEO on 15:12 - Nov 26 by TomRAFC |
The original post is hardly a sensible contribution to the discussion.
What is true is that some fans certainly seem to have a strong dislike of Mr Bottomley and whether that be based on hearsay or evidence, it's still an issue.
I'm not basing any of this on my own personal opinions. I was chatting with several long term Dale fans on Saturday who aren't people who tend towards the reactionary or melodramatic. The general view from those who dislike Mr Bottomley seemed to be that he comes across as arrogant/self-aggrandizing, and that this has not inspired trust. There were also people citing his lack of experience as a CEO in football. Given their lack of trust, some folk seemed concerned as to how much free reign Mr Bottomley has/how absent the chairman is from the day to day running of the club. The past tales of his involvement with the toy pricing don't seem to have faded into the past as much as some might have expected.
I am by no means saying these concerns reflect the truth of what goes on behind the scenes. What I am saying is that aside from some people who tend towards drama, there are level headed people who do seem concerned. True or not, the last thing we need is tension between the fans and the club. [Post edited 26 Nov 2019 15:13]
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Thanks for the info here Tom - well presented for those that have no understanding of the situation. Whilst I knew some disliked Mr Bottomley, I had no idea why some dislike him so much. What happened with the toy pricing?
Considering the original posts content, it's a shame SI_Blue took offence to the questioning and didn't elaborate on why the post exists. If you're trying to get people on side you need to clearly set out the reasoning as I'm sure there are plenty of fans that don't know about all the hearsay. | | | |
| Removal of the current CEO on 19:05 - Nov 26 with 2542 views | judd |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2779777.stm
Argos & Littlewoods fined c. £22m between them, Hasbro having an almost £16m fine rescinded because they fully cooperated. The above article references an earlier case which involved Hasbro and some of their smaller distributors. Hasbro were fined almost £5m, which their accounts at the time shows as having been paid. Around this time their US parent company had to make an announcement to the New York stock exchange about these cases.
In the above article reference is made to a small number of members of the sales and marketing team subsequently leaving Hasbro.
The official reports of all 3 hearings make for lengthy but enlightening reading.
https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/hasbro-uk-ltd-and-distributors-price-fixing-of-hasb
Click on PDF linked
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| Removal of the current CEO on 20:24 - Nov 26 with 2444 views | TomRAFC |
I wasn't intending it to come across as if the price fixing was hearsay, that's poor phrasing on my part. | |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 10:17 - Nov 27 with 2117 views | borntogo |
The near-forensic examination of what is going on at Dale right now is exactly what is needed, post-Bury.
We need to be fully cognisant of David Bottomley's background and modus operandi and, more to the point, his motives in placing himself at the epicentre of the club in just a couple of years.
Also, while we're at it, we need to know why Chris Dunphy left in such a hurry and to form a profile of the new incumbent, Andrew Kilpatrick, of whom so little of us know.
In years gone by, we had the the great Les Barlow at the Rochdale Observer to do this digging on our behalf. These days, the local media does not have the resources so we must do it ourselves.
In short, Trust members, fellow Daleys, don't let this one drop. | | | |
| Removal of the current CEO on 21:01 - Nov 27 with 1834 views | SI_Blue |
| Removal of the current CEO on 10:17 - Nov 27 by borntogo |
The near-forensic examination of what is going on at Dale right now is exactly what is needed, post-Bury.
We need to be fully cognisant of David Bottomley's background and modus operandi and, more to the point, his motives in placing himself at the epicentre of the club in just a couple of years.
Also, while we're at it, we need to know why Chris Dunphy left in such a hurry and to form a profile of the new incumbent, Andrew Kilpatrick, of whom so little of us know.
In years gone by, we had the the great Les Barlow at the Rochdale Observer to do this digging on our behalf. These days, the local media does not have the resources so we must do it ourselves.
In short, Trust members, fellow Daleys, don't let this one drop. |
I made the original post to prove a point about certain members/supporters of the club. Some will argue black is blue just to be argumentative and nothing more. The fact the original post was my first post is irrelevant, and to suggest i am not a Rochdale Lad has me laughing more at some of you!
Cast your minds back to a time when the boardroom was full of angry fans talking with DK after storming the players lounge. Who is to say that is not on the cards again?
I did not need to disclose anything about DB, because like i stated more than enough people know the concerns which have now been discussed on this thread. To suggest most regulars on here have no clue about DB is bordering on BS.
DB is a danger to the future of this club and if you cannot get your heads around this, then keep being abusive, but one thing i will say, don't say anything via your keyboards you would not say in person. That is when you get respect. | |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 21:07 - Nov 27 with 1816 views | judd |
| Removal of the current CEO on 21:01 - Nov 27 by SI_Blue |
I made the original post to prove a point about certain members/supporters of the club. Some will argue black is blue just to be argumentative and nothing more. The fact the original post was my first post is irrelevant, and to suggest i am not a Rochdale Lad has me laughing more at some of you!
Cast your minds back to a time when the boardroom was full of angry fans talking with DK after storming the players lounge. Who is to say that is not on the cards again?
I did not need to disclose anything about DB, because like i stated more than enough people know the concerns which have now been discussed on this thread. To suggest most regulars on here have no clue about DB is bordering on BS.
DB is a danger to the future of this club and if you cannot get your heads around this, then keep being abusive, but one thing i will say, don't say anything via your keyboards you would not say in person. That is when you get respect. |
It would also appear that SuddenLads post about Bottomley admitting his involvement in illegal price fixing whilst a sales director at Hasbro has been deleted.
It is in the public domain, no one is accusing him. | |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 21:09 - Nov 27 with 1800 views | Dorislove |
| Removal of the current CEO on 21:07 - Nov 27 by judd |
It would also appear that SuddenLads post about Bottomley admitting his involvement in illegal price fixing whilst a sales director at Hasbro has been deleted.
It is in the public domain, no one is accusing him. |
If its in the public domain ,why would it be deleted ? No legal action can come of it. |  | | |
| Removal of the current CEO on 21:11 - Nov 27 with 1785 views | judd |
| Removal of the current CEO on 21:09 - Nov 27 by Dorislove |
If its in the public domain ,why would it be deleted ? No legal action can come of it. |
I don't know. | |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 21:31 - Nov 27 with 1752 views | Dorislove |
| Removal of the current CEO on 21:11 - Nov 27 by judd |
I don't know. |
DB shareholding went up from 600 to 13100 in 2015/16 accounts ,is this what you get to be a director ,shares for your 25k ? Also a quick look shows the last couple of years the number of shares has gone up 15000 where did they go ? | | | |
| Removal of the current CEO on 21:37 - Nov 27 with 1740 views | judd |
| Removal of the current CEO on 21:31 - Nov 27 by Dorislove |
DB shareholding went up from 600 to 13100 in 2015/16 accounts ,is this what you get to be a director ,shares for your 25k ? Also a quick look shows the last couple of years the number of shares has gone up 15000 where did they go ? |
There was a joining fee a while ago, that may explain thay.
The club, through the memo of understanding, are.supposed to let the Trust and supporters know of any investment opportunities. In fact, I have been contacted recently to be told that a question 're how to buy shares and if a rights issue (or words to that effect) would happen was sent to the Trust to ask the directors last time. I don't recall seeing an answer. So, if the Trust submitted it, the club ignored it, apparently. | |
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| Removal of the current CEO on 21:47 - Nov 27 with 1711 views | Dorislove |
| Removal of the current CEO on 21:37 - Nov 27 by judd |
There was a joining fee a while ago, that may explain thay.
The club, through the memo of understanding, are.supposed to let the Trust and supporters know of any investment opportunities. In fact, I have been contacted recently to be told that a question 're how to buy shares and if a rights issue (or words to that effect) would happen was sent to the Trust to ask the directors last time. I don't recall seeing an answer. So, if the Trust submitted it, the club ignored it, apparently. |
Not sure how all this private share thingy works , does Chris Dunphy sit on 26k or so shares or does he sell them,Paul H does his family do the same ,does an incerease in shares need a vote ?? Our chairman has 110000 23 % who is he backing for the decisions his shares are worth. Questions Questions eh its all papertalk. | | | |
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