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Johnson 21:28 - Apr 5 with 23260 viewsbuilthjack

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Johnson on 11:07 - Apr 7 with 1117 viewslondonlisa2001

Johnson on 11:03 - Apr 7 by jack_lord

You obviously know that there is always a clear strategy for what should and will happen in these eventualities.

Why is the media is adding to the hysteria.


Well of course there must be.

No idea why they are floundering around.

Someone, I assume Raab, must be in charge at the moment. In which case, say so. With a clear media message. I suspect it’s not being helped by infighting and people, sickeningly, jostling for position.
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Johnson on 11:10 - Apr 7 with 1101 viewsexiledclaseboy

Johnson on 10:58 - Apr 7 by londonlisa2001

People saying ‘Raab will take decisions’ or ‘the cabinet will take decisions’ or ‘the civil service run everything’ are missing the point a little.

It’s pretty important that we have someone in charge and that everyone knows exactly who that is.

There is usually, surely, a process for determining that in an emergency. Which is where we are at present. And yet the media seem unsure. It’s been over 10 hours since we were told that Johnson is in intensive care and they’re still not sure who has ultimate authority.


Johnson does. If he’s incapacitated or worse there’s a void until someone else is appointed. They can make all the noises they like about Raab “deputising” but other ministers are under no compulsion to follow his orders. This is why the US constitution and it’s unequivocal succession planning is so great in these circumstances.

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Johnson on 11:11 - Apr 7 with 1093 viewslondonlisa2001

Gove is now self isolating. Family member with symptoms.

This is a shambles. Surely some of them are being kept quarantined from everyone to ensure they stay healthy.
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Johnson on 11:12 - Apr 7 with 1085 viewsbuilthjack

Johnson on 11:11 - Apr 7 by londonlisa2001

Gove is now self isolating. Family member with symptoms.

This is a shambles. Surely some of them are being kept quarantined from everyone to ensure they stay healthy.


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Johnson on 11:14 - Apr 7 with 1076 viewslondonlisa2001

Johnson on 11:10 - Apr 7 by exiledclaseboy

Johnson does. If he’s incapacitated or worse there’s a void until someone else is appointed. They can make all the noises they like about Raab “deputising” but other ministers are under no compulsion to follow his orders. This is why the US constitution and it’s unequivocal succession planning is so great in these circumstances.


But there can’t be a void.

Who has the nuclear authority at the moment? Someone must have surely?

Someone must be de facto PM? Or are we saying that we genuinely have nuclear subs sailing around the place with no one authorised to give instruction?
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Johnson on 11:18 - Apr 7 with 1055 viewsLohengrin

Johnson on 11:14 - Apr 7 by londonlisa2001

But there can’t be a void.

Who has the nuclear authority at the moment? Someone must have surely?

Someone must be de facto PM? Or are we saying that we genuinely have nuclear subs sailing around the place with no one authorised to give instruction?


Of course there’s a procedure in place but it’s hardly likely to be a theme addressed in today’s papers, Lis.

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Johnson on 11:18 - Apr 7 with 1055 viewsGwyn737

Gove self-isolating now due to symptomatic family member.

Another possible leader out of the running (for now).
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Johnson on 11:19 - Apr 7 with 1044 viewslondonlisa2001

Johnson on 11:18 - Apr 7 by Lohengrin

Of course there’s a procedure in place but it’s hardly likely to be a theme addressed in today’s papers, Lis.


It should be addressed. We should know who is in charge at the moment. Surely?
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Johnson on 11:24 - Apr 7 with 1032 viewsjack_lord

Johnson on 11:10 - Apr 7 by exiledclaseboy

Johnson does. If he’s incapacitated or worse there’s a void until someone else is appointed. They can make all the noises they like about Raab “deputising” but other ministers are under no compulsion to follow his orders. This is why the US constitution and it’s unequivocal succession planning is so great in these circumstances.


I believe this is more to do with how the Cabinet works.

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Johnson on 11:28 - Apr 7 with 1016 viewsLohengrin

Johnson on 11:19 - Apr 7 by londonlisa2001

It should be addressed. We should know who is in charge at the moment. Surely?


I doubt the identity of the custodian of nuclear launch codes would rank very high on the list of priorities of most folk at the moment, Lis.

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Johnson on 11:29 - Apr 7 with 1007 viewssherpajacob

Johnson on 11:19 - Apr 7 by londonlisa2001

It should be addressed. We should know who is in charge at the moment. Surely?


anybody remember this?


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Johnson on 11:31 - Apr 7 with 992 viewsHighjack

Johnson on 11:28 - Apr 7 by Lohengrin

I doubt the identity of the custodian of nuclear launch codes would rank very high on the list of priorities of most folk at the moment, Lis.


It’s going to be difficult for those lads on the submarines to keep two metres apart at all times.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Johnson on 11:32 - Apr 7 with 981 viewslondonlisa2001

Johnson on 11:28 - Apr 7 by Lohengrin

I doubt the identity of the custodian of nuclear launch codes would rank very high on the list of priorities of most folk at the moment, Lis.


It’s just an example.

We are supposed to be a functioning democracy and yet we appear to have absolutely no idea who is in charge at the moment. If indeed anyone is. And if anyone is whether they are elected or not.

We should be deeply concerned.

Edited to add - I’ve just seen this question is now being asked in the media. Specifically (re defence) and generally. Perhaps we’ll get some answers.
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Johnson on 11:33 - Apr 7 with 981 viewsLohengrin

Johnson on 11:31 - Apr 7 by Highjack

It’s going to be difficult for those lads on the submarines to keep two metres apart at all times.


Impossible, but on the other hand those boys are probably in the very safest place.

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Johnson on 11:41 - Apr 7 with 950 viewsHighjack

Johnson on 11:33 - Apr 7 by Lohengrin

Impossible, but on the other hand those boys are probably in the very safest place.


Yes apart from the space station. And as long as nobody brought the bug on board with them.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Johnson on 12:04 - Apr 7 with 903 viewsLohengrin

Johnson on 11:32 - Apr 7 by londonlisa2001

It’s just an example.

We are supposed to be a functioning democracy and yet we appear to have absolutely no idea who is in charge at the moment. If indeed anyone is. And if anyone is whether they are elected or not.

We should be deeply concerned.

Edited to add - I’ve just seen this question is now being asked in the media. Specifically (re defence) and generally. Perhaps we’ll get some answers.
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I’ve not encountered anybody voicing that concern in real life though, Lis. As I said earlier power, to all intents and purposes, now resides with senior heads of the civil and uniformed services.

I’d suggest a lot of folk would take comfort in that.

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Johnson on 12:19 - Apr 7 with 873 viewslondonlisa2001

Johnson on 12:04 - Apr 7 by Lohengrin

I’ve not encountered anybody voicing that concern in real life though, Lis. As I said earlier power, to all intents and purposes, now resides with senior heads of the civil and uniformed services.

I’d suggest a lot of folk would take comfort in that.


Putin might. People here shouldn’t.
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Johnson on 12:24 - Apr 7 with 858 viewsexiledclaseboy

Johnson on 12:04 - Apr 7 by Lohengrin

I’ve not encountered anybody voicing that concern in real life though, Lis. As I said earlier power, to all intents and purposes, now resides with senior heads of the civil and uniformed services.

I’d suggest a lot of folk would take comfort in that.


It’s nonsense though.

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Johnson on 12:25 - Apr 7 with 853 viewsLohengrin

Johnson on 12:19 - Apr 7 by londonlisa2001

Putin might. People here shouldn’t.


You’d be surprised how many would be more than happy to invest their faith in men and women who have risen in their respective fields through application and proven capacity rather than ‘the democratic system.’

Or would you?

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Johnson on 12:26 - Apr 7 with 848 viewsLohengrin

Johnson on 12:24 - Apr 7 by exiledclaseboy

It’s nonsense though.


Is it?

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Johnson on 12:32 - Apr 7 with 826 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

It's interesting that those who told us that Johnson is incompetent now spin a line to say that the country can't cope without him, they need to make their minds up quickly.

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Johnson on 12:36 - Apr 7 with 815 viewslondonlisa2001

Johnson on 12:25 - Apr 7 by Lohengrin

You’d be surprised how many would be more than happy to invest their faith in men and women who have risen in their respective fields through application and proven capacity rather than ‘the democratic system.’

Or would you?


Firstly they aren’t in charge, since they have no authority to be in charge. No one, potentially, is in charge. Or someone is that we don’t know about.

Secondly anyone that would be happy with the complete overthrow of democracy is an idiot.
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Johnson on 12:38 - Apr 7 with 808 viewslondonlisa2001

Johnson on 12:32 - Apr 7 by JACKMANANDBOY

It's interesting that those who told us that Johnson is incompetent now spin a line to say that the country can't cope without him, they need to make their minds up quickly.


It’s not a case, that I’ve seen, of anyone attributing any particular competence.

It’s more a case of people pointing out that somebody is supposed to be in charge and we don’t know who that is.
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Johnson on 12:40 - Apr 7 with 805 viewsexiledclaseboy

Johnson on 12:26 - Apr 7 by Lohengrin

Is it?


Yes.

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Johnson on 12:41 - Apr 7 with 802 viewsexiledclaseboy

Johnson on 12:32 - Apr 7 by JACKMANANDBOY

It's interesting that those who told us that Johnson is incompetent now spin a line to say that the country can't cope without him, they need to make their minds up quickly.


That misses the point entirely.

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