| Grim news from Anglesey on 23:34 - Jun 21 with 1686 views | Fireboy2 |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 23:13 - Jun 21 by majorraglan |
Lots of migrant workers over here (especially some of those brought over by agencies) work and live in some pretty harsh conditions including sharing rooms with colleagues. They are vital to the economy and a lot do jobs that British people don’t want to do. |
And the capitalist tories love them, it's a wonder why these sort of people voted for brexit when it's the migrants who make them even more money. |  | |  |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 11:24 - Jun 22 with 1603 views | WxmJax |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 22:58 - Jun 21 by Fireboy2 |
Alas K I'm taking her along with the boys and the father in law to Anglesey this year so no chance unfortunately. |
Not sure how much you know about Anglesey. Cracking beaches at Newborough and Aberffraw. Took the rib ride down the Menai Straits last year, went under both bridges to AC/DC's Thunderstruck, great fun. Dylan's is ok for food, cracking chippy at Malltraeth. Caernarfon's worth's visit as well as zipworld if it's open. |  |
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| Grim news from Anglesey on 11:35 - Jun 22 with 1595 views | controversial_jack |
Same happened in a meat factory in the Netherlands. Many temp workers - migrants, tested positive and were quarantined. They ignored it and went to work anyway until the govt shut the place down and forced them to quarantine.Many then went over the border to work in Germany
The problem seems to be temp worked, as in care homes when they move from home to home, often on zero hour contracts |  | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 11:37 - Jun 22 with 1593 views | Fireboy2 |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 11:24 - Jun 22 by WxmJax |
Not sure how much you know about Anglesey. Cracking beaches at Newborough and Aberffraw. Took the rib ride down the Menai Straits last year, went under both bridges to AC/DC's Thunderstruck, great fun. Dylan's is ok for food, cracking chippy at Malltraeth. Caernarfon's worth's visit as well as zipworld if it's open. |
Been to Anglesey for the last 6 years WJ.
We absolutely love it, stayed in rhosneigr for 3 years then moelfre and benllech, back to moelfre this year so I suspect we will spend alot of time at llygwi beach if the weather is good.
I'm hoping the rib will be open when we go as I left it too late to book last year and the missus really wants to go to Dylan's.
Done Caernarfon, the boys loved the castle, might try the chippy if we do a trip to newborough beach.
Cheers for the info mate👠| | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 11:42 - Jun 22 with 1588 views | NotLoyal |
So what measures were taken by local govt immediately upon this being released. Local lockdown, totally, tracing and implementing a local strategy for people movement ?
Once again the UK is shameful. |  |
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| Grim news from Anglesey on 12:19 - Jun 22 with 1554 views | felixstowe_jack |
Seems like the Welsh government's environment health inspectors have failed by not checking that working conditions were not safe or guidelines were not being followed. | |
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| Grim news from Anglesey on 12:20 - Jun 22 with 1564 views | ItchySphincter |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 11:37 - Jun 22 by Fireboy2 |
Been to Anglesey for the last 6 years WJ.
We absolutely love it, stayed in rhosneigr for 3 years then moelfre and benllech, back to moelfre this year so I suspect we will spend alot of time at llygwi beach if the weather is good.
I'm hoping the rib will be open when we go as I left it too late to book last year and the missus really wants to go to Dylan's.
Done Caernarfon, the boys loved the castle, might try the chippy if we do a trip to newborough beach.
Cheers for the info mate👠|
Nuddy beach at Newborough.
Aside the from the castle I found Caernarfon to be a horrible little shithole. Us South Walians not welcome there. |  |
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| Grim news from Anglesey on 12:35 - Jun 22 with 1551 views | Fireboy2 |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 12:20 - Jun 22 by ItchySphincter |
Nuddy beach at Newborough.
Aside the from the castle I found Caernarfon to be a horrible little shithole. Us South Walians not welcome there. |
I never saw any horrible sights at newborough. | | | |
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| Grim news from Anglesey on 13:00 - Jun 22 with 1533 views | controversial_jack |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 12:19 - Jun 22 by felixstowe_jack |
Seems like the Welsh government's environment health inspectors have failed by not checking that working conditions were not safe or guidelines were not being followed. |
Where was the HSE? | | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 14:30 - Jun 22 with 1484 views | WxmJax |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 11:37 - Jun 22 by Fireboy2 |
Been to Anglesey for the last 6 years WJ.
We absolutely love it, stayed in rhosneigr for 3 years then moelfre and benllech, back to moelfre this year so I suspect we will spend alot of time at llygwi beach if the weather is good.
I'm hoping the rib will be open when we go as I left it too late to book last year and the missus really wants to go to Dylan's.
Done Caernarfon, the boys loved the castle, might try the chippy if we do a trip to newborough beach.
Cheers for the info mate👠|
You probably know more about the place than me then. We used to stick to the West coast as a friend had a bungalow she let in Aberffraw. Stunning views towards Snowdon and Llyn peninsular from "my"chair.
I think the rib we went on was Velocity, £35 but worth every penny.
We used to stop in Conwy on our way to get meat from Edwards of Conwy. There's a cracking chippy as you go through the castle walls off High Street and on to the quayside to eat them while avoiding the sodding seagulls. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 14:34]
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| Grim news from Anglesey on 14:44 - Jun 22 with 1473 views | Dr_Winston |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 12:20 - Jun 22 by ItchySphincter |
Nuddy beach at Newborough.
Aside the from the castle I found Caernarfon to be a horrible little shithole. Us South Walians not welcome there. |
I disliked following the sat nav into Caernarfon and finding myself in what looked like a pedestrianised area. Like you say, apart from the Castle the place seemed a bit dull. |  |
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| Grim news from Anglesey on 15:22 - Jun 22 with 1436 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 12:19 - Jun 22 by felixstowe_jack |
Seems like the Welsh government's environment health inspectors have failed by not checking that working conditions were not safe or guidelines were not being followed. |
Its happened in England, Germany etc as well.
Seems the factory conditions are virus friendly.
Its not just in Wales, you div .... |  |
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| Grim news from Anglesey on 15:32 - Jun 22 with 1432 views | chad |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 15:22 - Jun 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Its happened in England, Germany etc as well.
Seems the factory conditions are virus friendly.
Its not just in Wales, you div .... |
Careful the whataboutists might be about ;)
What’s a div? Used to get divi from the co-op, anything like that? |  | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 15:57 - Jun 22 with 1412 views | Professor |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 15:22 - Jun 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Its happened in England, Germany etc as well.
Seems the factory conditions are virus friendly.
Its not just in Wales, you div .... |
Poultry processing uses a lot of water and is pretty humid.
Lots of opportunities for aerosols to form. Close proximity for many parts of the job. | | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 15:59 - Jun 22 with 1407 views | felixstowe_jack |
Exactly HSE is a power devolved to the Welsh Assembly. | |
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| Grim news from Anglesey on 16:02 - Jun 22 with 1406 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 15:57 - Jun 22 by Professor |
Poultry processing uses a lot of water and is pretty humid.
Lots of opportunities for aerosols to form. Close proximity for many parts of the job. |
Cold, humid, no sunlight either.
The thought is that it may be encouraging longer life on surfaces according to German reporting. And people are catching it through contact with those contaminated surfaces.
One option is trying to introduce UV without causing spoilage apparently. | | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 16:44 - Jun 22 with 1382 views | Professor |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 16:02 - Jun 22 by londonlisa2001 |
Cold, humid, no sunlight either.
The thought is that it may be encouraging longer life on surfaces according to German reporting. And people are catching it through contact with those contaminated surfaces.
One option is trying to introduce UV without causing spoilage apparently. |
So much machinery to contaminate as well as the scald and chill tanks (the latter is were the US add lots of chlorine). A line usually runs 18 hours then a 6 hour shut down for cleaning. Thousands of crates of birds in (they get disinfected before going out again), the conveyer line itself, the shackles, stunning (gas usually), the slaughter knife, scald tank, plucker, evicerator, chill tanks and final processing for whole birds before dry chill and packaging. Portion cut by hand before final chill and packaging. A lot can go wrong. UV may help, yes. Really needs a targeted testing now for meat plants. | | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 16:58 - Jun 22 with 1373 views | chad |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 16:44 - Jun 22 by Professor |
So much machinery to contaminate as well as the scald and chill tanks (the latter is were the US add lots of chlorine). A line usually runs 18 hours then a 6 hour shut down for cleaning. Thousands of crates of birds in (they get disinfected before going out again), the conveyer line itself, the shackles, stunning (gas usually), the slaughter knife, scald tank, plucker, evicerator, chill tanks and final processing for whole birds before dry chill and packaging. Portion cut by hand before final chill and packaging. A lot can go wrong. UV may help, yes. Really needs a targeted testing now for meat plants. |
As I maintain, we need to live a simpler, more self sufficient life, and eat less meat
Good to be reminded of the dirty work that goes on in our name (vegis excluded) | | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 16:58 - Jun 22 with 1370 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 16:44 - Jun 22 by Professor |
So much machinery to contaminate as well as the scald and chill tanks (the latter is were the US add lots of chlorine). A line usually runs 18 hours then a 6 hour shut down for cleaning. Thousands of crates of birds in (they get disinfected before going out again), the conveyer line itself, the shackles, stunning (gas usually), the slaughter knife, scald tank, plucker, evicerator, chill tanks and final processing for whole birds before dry chill and packaging. Portion cut by hand before final chill and packaging. A lot can go wrong. UV may help, yes. Really needs a targeted testing now for meat plants. |
Agreed. Testing regime similar to those in other high risk areas.
And PPE / workforce practices to be looked at as well. There’s a temptation for people wearing gloves to think they can’t get contaminated as much as others perhaps? False sense of security leading to people being less vigilant than is needed.
Hopefully the outbreaks will be contained properly. I imagine the workforce themselves will be younger and less likely to suffer a serious illness, so shielding them from the wider community is really important. | | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 17:47 - Jun 22 with 1343 views | Professor |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 16:58 - Jun 22 by londonlisa2001 |
Agreed. Testing regime similar to those in other high risk areas.
And PPE / workforce practices to be looked at as well. There’s a temptation for people wearing gloves to think they can’t get contaminated as much as others perhaps? False sense of security leading to people being less vigilant than is needed.
Hopefully the outbreaks will be contained properly. I imagine the workforce themselves will be younger and less likely to suffer a serious illness, so shielding them from the wider community is really important. |
Yes, agree with that. Staff are usually 20s and 30s unless supervisors or managers. There should be PPE in place, but people do not use it properly or ignore it for comfort etc. | | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 18:13 - Jun 22 with 1328 views | Professor |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 16:58 - Jun 22 by chad |
As I maintain, we need to live a simpler, more self sufficient life, and eat less meat
Good to be reminded of the dirty work that goes on in our name (vegis excluded) |
There is a lot to be said for that. Whilst chicken production can be made a lot friendlier and sustainable with a few tweaks and perhaps an extra 10p per kilo, some of the ways beef and pork are produced (especially in the US and China) are pretty reprehensible. We should all eat less but better beef and pork. Will be more costly, like lamb, but cattle are meant to live mainly on grass, not fed grain and antibiotics in an intensive feed lot.
And yes, I do increasingly put my money where my mouth is with these meats.
But this is grim, dirty work and I'm pleased I just see it from time-to-time rather than live it every day. | | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 18:17 - Jun 22 with 1321 views | controversial_jack |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 17:47 - Jun 22 by Professor |
Yes, agree with that. Staff are usually 20s and 30s unless supervisors or managers. There should be PPE in place, but people do not use it properly or ignore it for comfort etc. |
That's down to poor supervision and checks | | | |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 18:25 - Jun 22 with 1313 views | majorraglan |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 12:19 - Jun 22 by felixstowe_jack |
Seems like the Welsh government's environment health inspectors have failed by not checking that working conditions were not safe or guidelines were not being followed. |
As far as I am aware the Welsh Government don’t employ health inspectors per se, it’s a function undertaken by the local authority.
I agree that someone should have been overseeing this and it probably sits with Anglesey Council.
I don’t have a great deal of time for Drakeford etc, but if your going to diss people then at least get your facts right. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 18:26]
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| Grim news from Anglesey on 21:51 - Jun 22 with 1264 views | Professor |
| Grim news from Anglesey on 18:17 - Jun 22 by controversial_jack |
That's down to poor supervision and checks |
Yes. One impression I got from work we did with social/behavioural scientists from Manchester is that poultry workers know what they should do, but often cut corners with those above often turning a blind eye. Our work was relating to Campylobacter, but the same may apply. People just do stupid things even when they know better | | | |
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