| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links 14:53 - Aug 4 with 45667 views | Kerouac |
So here's the idea, I'll update the squad as the transfer window progresses regarding ins and outs, I'll also add all players that we have been linked with at the bottom.
We could use this one thread to discuss transfer targets as we go along and watch the squad for next season take shape.
SQUAD
Manager
Steve Cooper
Goalkeeper
13) Steven Benda
1) Freddie Woodman - LOAN (Newcastle)
Right-Back
23) Connor Roberts
26) Kyle Naughton
Left-Back
24) Jake Bidwell
??) Ryan Manning - £250k (QPR)
Centre-Back
5) Marc Guehi - LOAN (Chelsea)
2) Ryan Bennett - £Free? (Wolves)
44) Ben Cabango
22) Joel Latibeaudiere - £Free (Man City)
Defensive Midfield
6) Jay Fulton
7) Korey Smith - £Free (Bristol City)
30) Tiv Rushesha
Centre Midfield
8) Matt Grimes
11) Morgan Gibbs-White - LOAN (Wolves)
Attacking Midfield
45) Kasey Palmer - LOAN (Bristol City)
28) George Byers
21) Yan Dhanda
Right-Wing
10) Andre Ayew
41) Jordan Garrick
Left-Wing
9) Jamal Lowe - £800k (Wigan)
15) Wayne Routledge
Striker
14) Viktor Gyokeres - LOAN (Brighton)
20) Liam Cullen
Most promising youngsters that haven't had a go yet...
27) James Searle (Goalkeeper)
31) Oli Cooper (Attacking midfield)
37) Daniel Williams (Midfielder)
38) Cameron Evans (Defender)
42) Lewis Webb (Goalkeeper)
??) Joe Lewis (Right back)
??) Jordi Govea (Left back)
Players Definitely going, either released or loaned...
Declan John
TRANSFERS IN - £1.05m - and 6 senior wages + 4 young loan player's wages (or a % of their wage at least) + 1 U23 player's wages.
1) Freddie Woodman - Loan (17/8/2020)
2) Korey Smith - Free (17/8/2020)
3) Marc Guehi - LOAN (25/8/2020)
4) Morgan Gibbs-White - LOAN (25/8/2020)
5) Jamal Lowe - £800k + add ons (26/8/2020)
6) James Searle - Free (GK for the U23s)
7) Viktor Gyokeres - LOAN (2/10/2020)
8) Joel Latibeaudiere - £Free Transfer (Man City)
9) Kasey Palmer - LOAN (16/10/20)
10) Ryan Bennett - £Free(?) (16/10/20)
11) Ryan Manning - £250k (16/10/20)
TRANSFERS OUT/RELEASED - £18.4m and 8 senior wages + 1 smaller wage off the books
1) Erwin Mulder - Free (Joined Heerenveen)
2) Mike Van der Hoorn - Free (Joined Arminia Bielefeld in the Bundesliga)
3) Courtney Baker-Richardson - Free
4) Tom Carroll - Free (Joined QPR)
5) Nathan Dyer - Released?
6) Bersant Celina - £3m ish (Joined Dijon)
7) Barrie McKay - Loaned to Fleetwood (not coming back)
8) Kristoffer Peterson - £400K (Joined Fortuna Dusseldorf)
9) Joe Rodon - £15m - (Joined Spurs)
OUT ON LOAN
1) Brandon Cooper - Loaned to Newport County (League 2)
2) Jack Evans - Loaned to Pafos FC (Cypriot top flight)
3) Joel Asoro - Loaned to Genoa (Serie A)
4) Barrie McKay - Loaned to Fleetwood (League 1)
5) Josh Gould - Loaned to Barry Town (Cymru Premier)
Players we have been linked with in the press
Centre-back - Derrick Williams - £?????
Centre-back - Nathaniel Phillips - £1m
Centre-back - Mathieu Peybernes - £1m-ish (Almeria)
Centre-back - Cameron Carter-Vickers - LOAN / Low transfer fee (Spurs)
Right-back - Kieron Freeman - £Free
Right-back - Gabriel Osho - £Free
Left-back - Brad Smith - £Free
Centre-Midfield - Kevin Stewart - £Free
Attacking Midfield/Winger/Centre-Midfield - Harry Wilson - £Loan (Liverpool)
Winger - Corey Blackett-Taylor - under £100k (Tranmere)
Striker - Leon Dajaku - LOAN (Bayern Munich)
Striker - Joe Piggott - £200k (Wimbledon)
Striker - Fabio Borini - £Free Agent
Transfers we were linked with in the press but didn't sign
Grant Hall (Centre-back) - Signed for 'Boro on a free
Gethin Jones (Right-back) - Signed for Bolton Wanderers on a free
Jonathan Bond (Goalkeeper) - Signed a 1yr extension with WBA
David Cornell (Goalkeeper) - Signed for Ipswich Town on a free
George Friend (Left-back) - Signed for Birmingham City on a free
Jordan Ibe (Winger) - Signed for Derby County on a free
Samuel Grandsir (Winger) - Signed for Real Valladolid for £2.3m
James Garner (Centre-Midfield) - Loaned to Watford
Charlie Kelman (Striker) - Signed for QPR £850k?
Daniel Ayala (Centre-back) - Signed on Free for Blackburn Rovers(3yr deal)
Macauley Bonne (Striker) - Signed for QPR - £Undisclosed
[Post edited 16 Oct 2020 22:51]
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 10:34 - Sep 3 with 2021 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 10:08 - Sep 3 by Brynmill_Jack |
There must be a fee for Grimes too Shirley? How much do you reckon? |
£7.5m |  | | |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 10:58 - Sep 3 with 1989 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 10:34 - Sep 3 by 34dfgdf54 |
£7.5m |
That’s chicken feed. A poultry sum........ |  |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 11:51 - Sep 3 with 1952 views | KGriz16 |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 10:34 - Sep 3 by 34dfgdf54 |
£7.5m |
£12m |  | | |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 11:59 - Sep 3 with 1949 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 11:51 - Sep 3 by KGriz16 |
£12m |
Hmmm [Post edited 3 Sep 2020 12:10]
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 12:47 - Sep 3 with 1914 views | Catullus |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 21:06 - Sep 2 by jasper_T |
I can't imagine fans of any club would tell you their squad still looks strong after selling three of their highest-profile players. |
That's why I asked about reinvesting. I actually don't think we look that strong. Losing VDH was a massive blow for me, strong and experienced and now replaced with a loan player who looks good admittedly but, well, he isn't ours.
I don't object to Grimes leaving because I don't think he's strong enough in our midfield. That why we signed that Bristol fella, we needed more fight in the middle.We also needed someone a bit more brave I think, too often we went sideways and backwards when a better (or at least equal) forward option was there, most frustrating. |  |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 13:21 - Sep 3 with 1901 views | NotLoyal |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 10:58 - Sep 3 by Brynmill_Jack |
That’s chicken feed. A poultry sum........ |
The market isn’t as free range as it was. |  |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 13:35 - Sep 3 with 1890 views | jasper_T |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 12:47 - Sep 3 by Catullus |
That's why I asked about reinvesting. I actually don't think we look that strong. Losing VDH was a massive blow for me, strong and experienced and now replaced with a loan player who looks good admittedly but, well, he isn't ours.
I don't object to Grimes leaving because I don't think he's strong enough in our midfield. That why we signed that Bristol fella, we needed more fight in the middle.We also needed someone a bit more brave I think, too often we went sideways and backwards when a better (or at least equal) forward option was there, most frustrating. |
If you think Smith offers more fight than the guy with the most tackles in the division last season you're in for a disappointment. Even before his injuries Smith was making far less challenges per game with a lower success rate than Grimes boasts, and it's not even a knock on the new guy as Grimes is objectively impressive at this level defensively. Shame many Swans fans won't see it. | | | |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 16:33 - Sep 3 with 1821 views | Catullus |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 13:35 - Sep 3 by jasper_T |
If you think Smith offers more fight than the guy with the most tackles in the division last season you're in for a disappointment. Even before his injuries Smith was making far less challenges per game with a lower success rate than Grimes boasts, and it's not even a knock on the new guy as Grimes is objectively impressive at this level defensively. Shame many Swans fans won't see it. |
The stats don't always tell the full story though. Bebe had good stats before joing the red mancs didn't he?
As it goes I don't hate Grimes, if I had the choice it'd be Byers I'd sell, will someone give us 10 million for him? | |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 16:49 - Sep 3 with 1814 views | KarlHRummenigge |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 12:47 - Sep 3 by Catullus |
That's why I asked about reinvesting. I actually don't think we look that strong. Losing VDH was a massive blow for me, strong and experienced and now replaced with a loan player who looks good admittedly but, well, he isn't ours.
I don't object to Grimes leaving because I don't think he's strong enough in our midfield. That why we signed that Bristol fella, we needed more fight in the middle.We also needed someone a bit more brave I think, too often we went sideways and backwards when a better (or at least equal) forward option was there, most frustrating. |
Grimes has a massive positive influence on the way in which we play. He/we would benefit from a dominant, commanding presence alongside.
He would have slotted in seamlessly in our Pratley, Leon, Bodde era.
Apparently he's a top bloke as well, and his transformation since his unsuccessful loan stints is testimony to his grit, hard work and determination - just like how he plays. | | | |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 17:06 - Sep 3 with 1804 views | KarlHRummenigge |
McKay and John given the boot.
Pity about John, added some zip when given his chance. McKay hasn't even done his perennial flattery to deceive. Shame, as a natural talent, but little effort and poor body language. QPR was the last straw. The Forest fans did warn us. | | | |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 18:06 - Sep 3 with 1783 views | Catullus |
Maybe I am hard on Grimes, mental note to stop comparing players with Leon!
Now Declan John,I never wanted him, never rated him and I'm glad to see the back of him.
MacKay, yes we were warned. It's waste of a career that many of us would have crawled over red hot coals to have a chance at!
I just hope we dont' seel Cabango and/or Rodon. With those 2 and Guehi we have a solid back 3, good height and strength, assuming we're carrying on where we left off? We still need a striker and another CB though. | |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 18:14 - Sep 3 with 1777 views | jasper_T |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 16:33 - Sep 3 by Catullus |
The stats don't always tell the full story though. Bebe had good stats before joing the red mancs didn't he?
As it goes I don't hate Grimes, if I had the choice it'd be Byers I'd sell, will someone give us 10 million for him? |
I don't think Bebe did have good stats, no. A 4 in 26 striker in the third tier in Portugal before jumping around clubs. He goes down as one of the most famously dodgy, obviously agent-driven transfers of all time, surely. | | | |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 18:16 - Sep 3 with 1773 views | jasper_T |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 18:06 - Sep 3 by Catullus |
Maybe I am hard on Grimes, mental note to stop comparing players with Leon!
Now Declan John,I never wanted him, never rated him and I'm glad to see the back of him.
MacKay, yes we were warned. It's waste of a career that many of us would have crawled over red hot coals to have a chance at!
I just hope we dont' seel Cabango and/or Rodon. With those 2 and Guehi we have a solid back 3, good height and strength, assuming we're carrying on where we left off? We still need a striker and another CB though. |
Grimes actually makes more tackles than Leon did. Players don't simply get compared to Leon but the exaggerated myth of Leon, who'd have the crowd singing his name every time he gave away a free kick. Difficult to live up to a cult hero. | | | |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 18:32 - Sep 3 with 1760 views | Joe_bradshaw |
I don’t think Leo’s strength was tackling, it was his anticipation of the second ball which he was outstanding at.
Grimes is a good tackler and equally good at not having to make a tackle but making the opposition turn back and not playing the ball they wanted to. |  |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 20:16 - Sep 3 with 1708 views | KarlHRummenigge |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 18:32 - Sep 3 by Joe_bradshaw |
I don’t think Leo’s strength was tackling, it was his anticipation of the second ball which he was outstanding at.
Grimes is a good tackler and equally good at not having to make a tackle but making the opposition turn back and not playing the ball they wanted to. |
You're right, Leon's tackles ended up being fouls, as he mistimed his anticipatory interceptions and got frustrated.
Grimes is a tenacious tackler, often with impeccable timing - until it's not, and he fouls.
Both outstanding CMs, with exceptional "Football-IQ". | | | |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 22:25 - Sep 3 with 1637 views | Chief |
Several links to us loaning Leon Dajaku from Bayern who they've recently signed from Stuttgart. Exciting, hope he turns out better than last signing from Bayern. |  |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 22:30 - Sep 3 with 1633 views | NotLoyal |
I can see the swans cashing in on grimes then grimes like he did at Leeds becoming grimes 😂 | |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 00:45 - Sep 4 with 1588 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 22:25 - Sep 3 by Chief |
Several links to us loaning Leon Dajaku from Bayern who they've recently signed from Stuttgart. Exciting, hope he turns out better than last signing from Bayern. |
Scott's influence is not really coming to the fore. All the recent signings have Coopers stamp on them. Smith and Lowe are in the same league well known the the coaching staff. Woodman Guehi and Gibbs White are 'Cooperite'. The young Chelsea teenger probably Scott. Why have a high powered scouting team for loan players? |  |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 07:41 - Sep 4 with 1543 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 18:16 - Sep 3 by jasper_T |
Grimes actually makes more tackles than Leon did. Players don't simply get compared to Leon but the exaggerated myth of Leon, who'd have the crowd singing his name every time he gave away a free kick. Difficult to live up to a cult hero. |
Maybe so but Leon read the game far better than Grimes ever could. His positional sense would snuff out most attacks plus he gave us tempo. I haven’t seen tempo in our play since he retired. | |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 07:42 - Sep 4 with 1537 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 00:45 - Sep 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Scott's influence is not really coming to the fore. All the recent signings have Coopers stamp on them. Smith and Lowe are in the same league well known the the coaching staff. Woodman Guehi and Gibbs White are 'Cooperite'. The young Chelsea teenger probably Scott. Why have a high powered scouting team for loan players? |
Scott has produced nothing since he got here. A drain on our already meagre resources. Get reeves back or even The Turk | |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 08:19 - Sep 4 with 1519 views | Chief |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 00:45 - Sep 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Scott's influence is not really coming to the fore. All the recent signings have Coopers stamp on them. Smith and Lowe are in the same league well known the the coaching staff. Woodman Guehi and Gibbs White are 'Cooperite'. The young Chelsea teenger probably Scott. Why have a high powered scouting team for loan players? |
Yes makes you wonder what the issue is. Is he presenting players that Cooper doesn't want? Not presenting options at all or presenting players we cannot afford or realistically get? | |
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| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 08:33 - Sep 4 with 1508 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 18:32 - Sep 3 by Joe_bradshaw |
I don’t think Leo’s strength was tackling, it was his anticipation of the second ball which he was outstanding at.
Grimes is a good tackler and equally good at not having to make a tackle but making the opposition turn back and not playing the ball they wanted to. |
That’s exactly what Leon was good at, anticipation, took the ball in all areas and made our centre halves at the time look a lot better than they were in possession, he was always an option.
It’s not fair comparing Grimes to Leon, we’ll miss him though. We needed energy next to him but it has never happened for the likes of Byers etc. Grimes is a good player at this level as he has proven with us. | | | |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 08:35 - Sep 4 with 1507 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 00:45 - Sep 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Scott's influence is not really coming to the fore. All the recent signings have Coopers stamp on them. Smith and Lowe are in the same league well known the the coaching staff. Woodman Guehi and Gibbs White are 'Cooperite'. The young Chelsea teenger probably Scott. Why have a high powered scouting team for loan players? |
How long has Scott been here?
Was reading something that said you won’t see his signings for about three seasons. | | | |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 10:01 - Sep 4 with 1472 views | KarlHRummenigge |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 07:41 - Sep 4 by Brynmill_Jack |
Maybe so but Leon read the game far better than Grimes ever could. His positional sense would snuff out most attacks plus he gave us tempo. I haven’t seen tempo in our play since he retired. |
Tough on Grimes to compare him to Leon in his heyday. Both highly football-IQ
Agree re tempo, been lacking that zip. Hope he stays and works on his zip to continue his commendable development. He has the ability to get us playing the way we like. | | | |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 11:54 - Sep 4 with 1421 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Ins & Outs + Squad Updates and Transfer links on 10:01 - Sep 4 by KarlHRummenigge |
Tough on Grimes to compare him to Leon in his heyday. Both highly football-IQ
Agree re tempo, been lacking that zip. Hope he stays and works on his zip to continue his commendable development. He has the ability to get us playing the way we like. |
Leon had the advantage of being able to use both feet which gave him much better scope for distribution. Grimes is an easy read because of his over reliance on his left peg.
Question - if we sold Grimes and Woods was available from Stoke for 4 million would you take him?? | |
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