| Russell Martin's post match comments 23:49 - Sep 29 with 3519 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Let's try and keep this one civil, but what are the general thoughts?
He said he thought we were ''great''. And said we ''went toe to toe with one of the best teams in the league'' (1 shot on target). He seemed completely content and proud.
I said on the matchday thread, as a fanbase we will happily take errors, learning from mistakes, accountability, admitting they got something wrong and stating they will learn, correct it and be better... but this lack of accountability is frightening at times.
We aren't idiots.
Immediately after the game I was 'sort of' disappointed, not too much though as wasn't expecting anything out of the game. The way we set up annoyed me a little but assumed he could see what we all did and realise the errors there and we move on to the next game...
However comments like this make me feel he doesn't realise what went wrong and is still perfectly happy with the fact he made such decisions as pitting Mitrovic against Naughton as the center of a 3 man central defence (?!)
People talk about ''time'', but time is only relevant if you see your mistakes and learn from them. If you keep making the same errors over and over again, no amount of time will fix that, to not recognise what went wrong and be happy with that I find quite astounding.
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| Russell Martin's post match comments on 10:13 - Oct 1 with 649 views | onehunglow |
| Russell Martin's post match comments on 23:50 - Sep 30 by Dr_Parnassus |
I don’t understand your first paragraph I’m afraid.
Nobody is asking him to slate the team or rip into players, the game didn’t really warrant that. It was his tactics that put us in a really bad spot, owning up to that and stating that he made some mistakes that he can learn from and that it resulted in a performance which wasn’t really good enough is honesty. Nobody is going to blame him for that.
Pretending we were great and went toe to toe with Fulham after having 1 shot on target is just ludicrous, and patently not true. |
It is indeed and more ,as I say,an insult to our intelligence.
Martin has to be either lying and totally dumb.
Either way,it's really worrying as Bob Brad was never going to last but this fella just might be around enough to slaughter u.
I have never been so worried over an appointment mainly as so many seem to have been taken in by his hot air.
Great we were not and we have not been "great" all season.
We were not that bad when he took over |  |
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| Russell Martin's post match comments on 10:46 - Oct 1 with 619 views | nantywatcher |
I wrote after the first couple of games that I was worried that Martin was a bullshi**er. I am no longer worried; I have accepted the fact. My biggest worry is that he seems to be totally lacking in any sort of football savvy, and bullsh*t wont put many points on the table. The football 'experts' on here were in full agreement with our clueless CEO who, likewise, was taken in by the bullsh*t. You only have to look at 10 Downing Street to see that even bullshi**ers can make a success of their endeavours, but they are seldom the people that pay the price. | | | |
| Russell Martin's post match comments on 10:56 - Oct 1 with 605 views | onehunglow |
| Russell Martin's post match comments on 10:46 - Oct 1 by nantywatcher |
I wrote after the first couple of games that I was worried that Martin was a bullshi**er. I am no longer worried; I have accepted the fact. My biggest worry is that he seems to be totally lacking in any sort of football savvy, and bullsh*t wont put many points on the table. The football 'experts' on here were in full agreement with our clueless CEO who, likewise, was taken in by the bullsh*t. You only have to look at 10 Downing Street to see that even bullshi**ers can make a success of their endeavours, but they are seldom the people that pay the price. |
Do you want to be in my gang 
I could have have written that myself.
I have little doubt looking at him ,what he says and how we actually are ,that he is a football fraud.
He will be found out and our club depends on just when. Will the board allow him to get us relegated for him to continue his mysterious plan.
If we go down,I think that is us finished playing in the higher levels as I don’t think we could handle it.
I can see this gradually ge owning more bitter as more fans accept they were wrong in allowing him into their hearts .
Hope I’m wrong | |
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| Russell Martin's post match comments on 11:07 - Oct 1 with 602 views | Catullus |
| Russell Martin's post match comments on 10:56 - Oct 1 by onehunglow |
Do you want to be in my gang
I could have have written that myself.
I have little doubt looking at him ,what he says and how we actually are ,that he is a football fraud.
He will be found out and our club depends on just when. Will the board allow him to get us relegated for him to continue his mysterious plan.
If we go down,I think that is us finished playing in the higher levels as I don’t think we could handle it.
I can see this gradually ge owning more bitter as more fans accept they were wrong in allowing him into their hearts .
Hope I’m wrong |
I don't think we'll be relegated, we may be closer to the bottom than we'd like but at least 2 clubs have had points deuctions and I think others will suffer too, at some point.
I also think we can hnadle a releagtion, we are ina sound financial position, relegation would mean more sales, yes, but we can cope because we have adecent sized and loyal fan base.
I can't speak for others but I haven't let him into my heart either, he has a long way to go to achieve that which happened under Martinez and Rodgers! If he doesn't learn, doesn't adapt and we are really struggling I don't think you need to worry too much because Winter will be telling Martin, if things aren't better come December your job is gone! I don't think they'll wait til the transfer window to look elsewhere, football is not a patient sport. | |
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| Russell Martin's post match comments on 11:48 - Oct 1 with 596 views | onehunglow |
| Russell Martin's post match comments on 11:07 - Oct 1 by Catullus |
I don't think we'll be relegated, we may be closer to the bottom than we'd like but at least 2 clubs have had points deuctions and I think others will suffer too, at some point.
I also think we can hnadle a releagtion, we are ina sound financial position, relegation would mean more sales, yes, but we can cope because we have adecent sized and loyal fan base.
I can't speak for others but I haven't let him into my heart either, he has a long way to go to achieve that which happened under Martinez and Rodgers! If he doesn't learn, doesn't adapt and we are really struggling I don't think you need to worry too much because Winter will be telling Martin, if things aren't better come December your job is gone! I don't think they'll wait til the transfer window to look elsewhere, football is not a patient sport. |
If we have this guy as a manager who will only play one way then we will certianly go down if we are in a situation where we need to WIN at all costs.
This is where the "bravery" Martin speaks of to me is warlocks. Abject drivel.
Fans will not have this ,trust me and his denouement will be sooner rather than later.
We cannot pick teams as he does and expect teams to simply not fall for it.
To have Naughton as Centre Half is suicide at any level. | |
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| Russell Martin's post match comments on 14:34 - Oct 1 with 557 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Russell Martin's post match comments on 11:07 - Oct 1 by Catullus |
I don't think we'll be relegated, we may be closer to the bottom than we'd like but at least 2 clubs have had points deuctions and I think others will suffer too, at some point.
I also think we can hnadle a releagtion, we are ina sound financial position, relegation would mean more sales, yes, but we can cope because we have adecent sized and loyal fan base.
I can't speak for others but I haven't let him into my heart either, he has a long way to go to achieve that which happened under Martinez and Rodgers! If he doesn't learn, doesn't adapt and we are really struggling I don't think you need to worry too much because Winter will be telling Martin, if things aren't better come December your job is gone! I don't think they'll wait til the transfer window to look elsewhere, football is not a patient sport. |
Relegation and other clubs having deductions so we may be okay shouldn’t even be in our conversation.
I’m amazed how quickly it’s become accepted. | |
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| Russell Martin's post match comments on 15:14 - Oct 1 with 544 views | vetchonian |
| Russell Martin's post match comments on 19:48 - Sep 30 by magicdaps10 |
So why not are you saying that to posters who are knocking Martin and his tactics on this thread?
If the post is about his comments after the game regarding the game then you have to be consistent and tell them the same thing!
On the comments, I would suspect the Martin who's comments we have read will be totally different to Martin with the players after the game and training the next day.
He's trying to encourage the players and show them that he has their back, it's man management..... Wether I, you or anyone else agrees with that style, that is what he is attempting.
My opinion is, I don't see no harm in slating the team, a player or performance as long as it doesn't get out of hands.... Its putting a question to them and shows their character in their response. |
Who is asking anyone to slate the team or players?
The issue(s) here are our Manager spouting things which are so wide of the mark.
Lets discuss "toe to toe"....so far from the truth whenever Fulham had the ball they cut through us like aknofe trhough butter with the attack usually culminating with an attemot at goal...whilst we had how many attempts at goal despite having the majority of the possession...we had one great attack which led to our goal.
Second half Fulhma eased off, pt on extra defenders and watched as we stroked the ball around aimlessly....."tot to toe " it certainly wasnt
SO MArtin is trying to encourage the players and is using man management tatics...Im sure playing Cabango out of position ...playing him on the left hand side of the defence with WIlliams on the right when most of last season they would have been found with their roles reversed and hanging him out to dry along with Naughton on Wednesday night will be encouraging....so much so I bet Cabango blames him for him not being in the Wales squad!
People have been blinded by the increase in possession and believe this is us getting back to the golden years.......
I posted on toher threads the comments form MKDOns fans....they is so much in them....Martins obsession with possession over all else.
Many on here talk of him having time and 3 to 4 transfer windows....he had 3 transfer windows at MKDons and what did his team achieve....top of the possesion table but few goals and allmost as many goals against.
There seems to be history of his tlak ...the same thing being said over and over again.
He could have said I put my hands up I got things worng ...
We know it is a seaon of transisiton but that is true of most clubs when there is a change of manager....what I fail to understand is why so many fans are prepared to even contemplate relegation.....we had a rock solid defence last season...yes we have lost Geuhi and Roberts but LAird could be ROberts replacement and Cooper/Williams could slot in for Geuhi not yet at Geuhis level but capable as shown by playing in the PL last season.
These palyers have experience of passing it out form the back the problem is we now play with only 3 at the back the so called wingbacks are positioned more as wingers...
Good managers good change managers do not attempt to change the world overnight...but they focus on the strnghts and then bukd change in small steps...MArtin doesnt seem to recognise when things are failing but ploughs on regardless and then comes out with this spiel psot match.....He has only one way he wants to play even if its not working!
DO people think Piroe, Nitcham will still be here if we are floundering and they show promise through this season?......How many ore windows will we need?
Forget comparing Martin to previous managers, compare MArtin to MArtin look at his time at MKDons...yes he "saved" them from relegation but look at his stats, shots etc...they dont set the world alight , the MKDOns fans comments reflect a lot of what some have said are saying on here.
Pretty soon the players heads will drop...no win bonuses,being made to look inept as a result of played out of position
Its time to take the rose tinted blinkers off...especially when MArtin comes out with that post match statement...and yes I didnt expect ar result at FUlham but we certainly werent "toe to toe" | |
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| Russell Martin's post match comments on 19:12 - Oct 1 with 518 views | shingle |
| Russell Martin's post match comments on 10:12 - Oct 1 by Catullus |
We kept possession well but our defending was awful and that was down to selection. I've said the same as Dr P on another thread, Cabango against Kebano's pace, Naughton against Mitrovic for crosses, it was always a silly idea. Martin got it wrong and needs to learn that lesson.
I also commented on our wing backs, 20 yards short of where we needed them because they are told to be so high up the pitch. Either they are WB's and get back to defend or they are wingers, if we want wingers get somebody with pace to replace Bidwell, to start with.
Grimes is still too slow in midfield, ponderous and always plays it safe, I was saying that last season. Downes looks really good but is being hamstrung, in my opinion. Paterson is not a 90 minute player and doesn't defend either, keep him on the bench as an impact player, 30 mins a game is about what he's good for.
Cullen needs dropping and we need Obafemi up front with Piroe in a 3-4-1-2 (rather than 3-4-2-1) because without the support Piroe is swallowed up by the defence and there aren't runners giving him options.
Heck,I'd even try Laird on the left and Whittaker on the right and admit it's not wing backs anymore!
I don't mind that Martin makes mistakes, every manager makes mistakes but the good managers learn from them. I don't eeven mind that he's talking BS after the game because plenty of managers do it, Ferguson used to do a lot of it. It was to deflect attention from the players, to take pressure of them and it worked. If Martin is talking BS because he genuinely believes it though, that is a big worry.
I'm not writing him off just yet but the countdown has started. The next two games are vital to his future here though. He needs to be feeling the pressure and vitally, be willing to change. If he persists with the idea that possession is evrything and fails to make us safer in defence and sharper in attack, very soon he'll have the corwd on his back, all of us.
I desperately want him to succeed and having a plan you believe will work and stick to it is good up to a point. When it becomes clear the plan isn't working though, then you need to learn, to adapt. If he doesn't do that then the Swansea.com won't be a launchpad for him, it will become his graveyard.
His time isn't up yet but he must learn!
Saying all that we must still rmember Fulham are a good team with better players than us. |
You say Fulham have better players than us as a reason we lost, so surely they have better players than the likes of Blackpool and Reading who recently beat them, come to think of it before they easily beat us they had only won one of there last five. | | | |
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| Russell Martin's post match comments on 19:36 - Oct 1 with 504 views | onehunglow |
When we lose at Derby ,Martin will be coming out with words like,"great","brave" ,"courage" and all manner of complete crepe and if we were to win,some fans ,like Winston will be taking aim at naysayers. | |
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| Russell Martin's post match comments on 17:10 - Oct 2 with 461 views | AndyCole |
| Russell Martin's post match comments on 01:26 - Oct 1 by KeithHaynes |
The esteemed AC has been holed up in RM’s office, top drawer filing cabinet, binoculars and tape recorder at the ready. Send all donations to Swansea Independent. 👠|
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Pfft. Give me some credit, mun. I don't bother with hoi polloi.
In Winter we don't trust - all eyes on Winter currently.
Back on thread - will be intriguing to hear Martine's latest spin.....
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| Russell Martin's post match comments on 17:15 - Oct 2 with 447 views | onehunglow |
| Russell Martin's post match comments on 17:10 - Oct 2 by AndyCole |
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Pfft. Give me some credit, mun. I don't bother with hoi polloi.
In Winter we don't trust - all eyes on Winter currently.
Back on thread - will be intriguing to hear Martine's latest spin.....
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Who will be giving you stick tonight AC.
That was just as appalling a shythuse performance as we 've had this season.
We support the wrong people which is why I am sick of our fans supporting Martin but not young Whittaker.
Today,was filthy in every way.
0-0 a good result then.
Or not
Or just another part of work in progress
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