| Putin 22:52 - Mar 3 with 10455 views | raynor94 |
Is it time to call his bluff, he's threatening us with nuclear war, but how much longer can we put up with what he's doing in Ukraine.
If we give him this one, what's next? |  |
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| Putin on 20:06 - Mar 5 with 1613 views | controversial_jack |
| Putin on 14:04 - Mar 5 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
460,000 dead as a result of the Iraq war alone. I’ve no doubt Putin will catch up but he’s nowhere near the killer Blair is yet. |
It was Rumsfeld that manufactured the lies about WMD, but in typical British response, we just sucked US arse and followed. |  | | |
| Putin on 22:08 - Mar 5 with 1560 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Putin on 20:06 - Mar 5 by controversial_jack |
It was Rumsfeld that manufactured the lies about WMD, but in typical British response, we just sucked US arse and followed. |
The PNAC lunatics were pushing the WMD narrative as far back as '97. |  |
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| Putin on 22:42 - Mar 5 with 1543 views | Jack123 |
It seems the West bomb 16 kinds of poop in the middle east for a long time, nothing said in the media about that, as if they were justified, Sick of it 24/7 on tv now. Putin this and that, Putin that..
I won't pretend to understand how it got to this with Russia and Ukraine, but when the media carry on like the way they are, I feel as if we are not being told the full story.
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| Putin on 18:48 - Mar 6 with 1431 views | shingle |
| Putin on 22:42 - Mar 5 by Jack123 |
It seems the West bomb 16 kinds of poop in the middle east for a long time, nothing said in the media about that, as if they were justified, Sick of it 24/7 on tv now. Putin this and that, Putin that..
I won't pretend to understand how it got to this with Russia and Ukraine, but when the media carry on like the way they are, I feel as if we are not being told the full story.
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Yep made me sit up and take notice Bryce is as mad as an hatter mind you, you should see some of the stuff he comes out with but he as a point with what he said there, won his fight as well and has now moved into the top ten in his weight class in the UFC. | | | |
| Putin on 19:20 - Mar 6 with 1394 views | Scotia |
| Putin on 14:04 - Mar 5 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
460,000 dead as a result of the Iraq war alone. I’ve no doubt Putin will catch up but he’s nowhere near the killer Blair is yet. |
The Iraq war was wrong. No doubt about it.
The 460,000 total is direct and indirect deaths. Putin is looking likely to directly kill that many innocent Ukrainian civilians, before you consider the similar approach in Chechnya and Syria.
I'm no fan of Blair, but there is no comparison between him and Putin or the Ukrainian invasion. | | | |
| Putin on 19:37 - Mar 6 with 1379 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Putin on 20:06 - Mar 5 by controversial_jack |
It was Rumsfeld that manufactured the lies about WMD, but in typical British response, we just sucked US arse and followed. |
Biden was chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee at the time, his role was to ensure there was good governance over the decisions made. He moved to the Pentagon and became complicit in the false narrative. One news agency in the US , Kinght Ridder tried to expose what was going on.
People from the Security Services and the Pentagon tried to blow the whistle, but to no avail.
John Hopkins estimate the death toll at over 800,000. |  |
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| Putin on 21:00 - Mar 6 with 1328 views | Scotia |
| Putin on 22:42 - Mar 5 by Jack123 |
It seems the West bomb 16 kinds of poop in the middle east for a long time, nothing said in the media about that, as if they were justified, Sick of it 24/7 on tv now. Putin this and that, Putin that..
I won't pretend to understand how it got to this with Russia and Ukraine, but when the media carry on like the way they are, I feel as if we are not being told the full story.
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The first casualty of War is the truth. That's the case for all sides.
I don't know the complete history of the Ukraine / Russia situation but it certainly seems that the majority of people in the country were happy to move towards a more European style of life rather than a 1980's style eastern bloc existence. This is a threat to Putin and his cronies (not Russia) so he's invaded and killed thousands and potentially started WW3.
It's nothing really to do with Biden, Obama or even John McCain (who has a street named after him in Kyiv) its about Putin and his inner circle wanting to recreate the USSR. | | | |
| Putin on 21:29 - Mar 6 with 1284 views | Dr_Winston |
The thing about this whole situation that I really need to learn more about is why Russia has gone back to being an enemy of NATO, when after the fall of the Soviet Union you'd think they could have been candidates to join themselves.
Have seen vague references to it being as a result over concerns about democratic deficit at the time Putin was taking over, but Turkey is hardly a model democracy any more and they're still members. |  |
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| Putin on 21:47 - Mar 6 with 1272 views | Scotia |
| Putin on 21:29 - Mar 6 by Dr_Winston |
The thing about this whole situation that I really need to learn more about is why Russia has gone back to being an enemy of NATO, when after the fall of the Soviet Union you'd think they could have been candidates to join themselves.
Have seen vague references to it being as a result over concerns about democratic deficit at the time Putin was taking over, but Turkey is hardly a model democracy any more and they're still members. |
I read something a while back about the "pyramid of power" in Russia. Basically the level below the president in Gorbachev's time was completely controlled by the former KGB, Gorby and perestroika were an exception . He was succeeded by Yeltzin who after a while of following the same perestroika path became unfit for office due to illness and alcoholism, that allowed the former KGB to increase influence and the world ended up with Putin the ex head of the KGB as Russian president.
Of course the other situation, if you believe it, is he's been hiding in a bunker with just a couple of advisors for two years. His paranoia has probably gone off the scale, and all he's heard is anti West propaganda. | | | |
| Putin on 21:52 - Mar 6 with 1266 views | Boundy |
| Putin on 21:00 - Mar 6 by Scotia |
The first casualty of War is the truth. That's the case for all sides.
I don't know the complete history of the Ukraine / Russia situation but it certainly seems that the majority of people in the country were happy to move towards a more European style of life rather than a 1980's style eastern bloc existence. This is a threat to Putin and his cronies (not Russia) so he's invaded and killed thousands and potentially started WW3.
It's nothing really to do with Biden, Obama or even John McCain (who has a street named after him in Kyiv) its about Putin and his inner circle wanting to recreate the USSR. |
If I may , The first casualty of war are civilians as we've seen too many times during recent times .Truth can and is manipulated by all sides, its the poor sods in the middle who rarely have control over their destiny | |
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| Putin on 22:26 - Mar 6 with 1225 views | Scotia |
| Putin on 21:52 - Mar 6 by Boundy |
If I may , The first casualty of war are civilians as we've seen too many times during recent times .Truth can and is manipulated by all sides, its the poor sods in the middle who rarely have control over their destiny |
You're right, it's a figure of speech.
Putin announcing his special military operation and then killing innocent civilians. The lie came first to justify the action. | | | |
| Putin on 14:11 - Mar 7 with 1142 views | Catullus |
| Putin on 21:52 - Mar 6 by Boundy |
If I may , The first casualty of war are civilians as we've seen too many times during recent times .Truth can and is manipulated by all sides, its the poor sods in the middle who rarely have control over their destiny |
Not quite how I see it, before Putin sent the troops in he was spreading lies about the situation to justify his upcoming actions.
All governments lie, all governments spread disinformation but some are far worse than others and Putin is running an oppressive regime, his state run media spread a barrage of lies every day. | |
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| Putin on 14:35 - Mar 7 with 1131 views | Boundy |
| Putin on 14:11 - Mar 7 by Catullus |
Not quite how I see it, before Putin sent the troops in he was spreading lies about the situation to justify his upcoming actions.
All governments lie, all governments spread disinformation but some are far worse than others and Putin is running an oppressive regime, his state run media spread a barrage of lies every day. |
Not meaning to appear pedantic but Putin was spouting off before he troops invaded . I don't suppose it means one iota which came first to some poor soul hiding in a cellar today | |
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| Putin on 16:28 - Mar 7 with 1085 views | Catullus |
| Putin on 14:35 - Mar 7 by Boundy |
Not meaning to appear pedantic but Putin was spouting off before he troops invaded . I don't suppose it means one iota which came first to some poor soul hiding in a cellar today |
No it doesn't but you raised the debate when you answered a post. I merely posted my opinion.
I bet plenty of Ukrainians are watching the news and calling Putin all sorts of a lying b'stard.
On todays news, the Russians offered a safe corridor for refugess...to Russia. Not hardly what they want. they have still been shelling civilians, including during ceasefires.
War crimes investigators will be kept busy. | |
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| Putin on 16:35 - Mar 7 with 1080 views | onehunglow |
| Putin on 16:28 - Mar 7 by Catullus |
No it doesn't but you raised the debate when you answered a post. I merely posted my opinion.
I bet plenty of Ukrainians are watching the news and calling Putin all sorts of a lying b'stard.
On todays news, the Russians offered a safe corridor for refugess...to Russia. Not hardly what they want. they have still been shelling civilians, including during ceasefires.
War crimes investigators will be kept busy. |
Good luck of arresting them and prosecuting them.
Best if Putin is zapped.
HE is the main problem here ..
He is out of control | |
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| Putin on 16:42 - Mar 7 with 1078 views | 73__73 |
NATO should have long ago ruled out Ukraine from joining, but the military industrial complex who have huge power especially in the USA would never let that happen. | |
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| Putin on 16:43 - Mar 7 with 1077 views | controversial_jack |
| Putin on 19:37 - Mar 6 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Biden was chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee at the time, his role was to ensure there was good governance over the decisions made. He moved to the Pentagon and became complicit in the false narrative. One news agency in the US , Kinght Ridder tried to expose what was going on.
People from the Security Services and the Pentagon tried to blow the whistle, but to no avail.
John Hopkins estimate the death toll at over 800,000. |
It was Rumsfeldts dept that made up the lies, others went along with it | | | |
| Putin on 23:06 - Mar 7 with 1011 views | Ebo |
| Putin on 10:23 - Mar 4 by Catullus |
We can only hope that internally there are Russians who've had enough of Putin and are capable of deposing him.
Lets hope that the maps don't change very much and that sanctions can bring the Russians to a halt.
Could there be another civil war in Russia itself? Can the people bring this to a halt? |
The guys who will eventually have had enough of him are the oligarchs who are essentially his 'mafia'. They are not going to be pleased at seeing their assets being seized and their wealth plummeting at an alarming rate. |  |
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| Putin on 04:11 - Mar 8 with 976 views | angryjack |
| Putin on 23:06 - Mar 7 by Ebo |
The guys who will eventually have had enough of him are the oligarchs who are essentially his 'mafia'. They are not going to be pleased at seeing their assets being seized and their wealth plummeting at an alarming rate. |
It will take a brave one to even mention it,with do many double crossers, you be another Salsbury, dead on a bench | | | |
| Putin on 09:24 - Mar 8 with 948 views | Catullus |
| Putin on 16:43 - Mar 7 by controversial_jack |
It was Rumsfeldts dept that made up the lies, others went along with it |
Biden being the chair means he didn't just go along with it. he'd have had to approve it too. Unless Rumsfeldt went around him but seeing as it became White House approved and was passed onto the UK Biden must have known and approved it. He is as complicit as anybody, so is Tony Blair.
They all knew they were peddling lies, a means to an end and look where it got us.
The CIA, Central Intelligence Agency, surely an oxymoron. They should be closed down after all the damage they have done in the world but then, the Russians, the North Koreans, the Chinese, they have their own versions doing exactly the same thing. It always comes back to the same thing, humans are stupid, selfish and greedy....and STUPID, never forget stupid. | |
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| Putin on 09:51 - Mar 8 with 941 views | ItchySphincter |
| Putin on 16:42 - Mar 7 by 73__73 |
NATO should have long ago ruled out Ukraine from joining, but the military industrial complex who have huge power especially in the USA would never let that happen. |
This is a genuine question so don’t take this as being argumentative - what is your reason for saying Ukraine should be ruled out of ever joining NATO? |  |
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| Putin on 10:46 - Mar 8 with 918 views | Lohengrin |
| Putin on 09:51 - Mar 8 by ItchySphincter |
This is a genuine question so don’t take this as being argumentative - what is your reason for saying Ukraine should be ruled out of ever joining NATO? |
Do you know what I think will be the final resolution to all this, the compromise that will save face for both Putin and Zelensky and bring an end to the mayhem?
Ukraine being admitted to the EU but giving up any ambition to join NATO. |  |
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| Putin on 11:00 - Mar 8 with 911 views | Catullus |
| Putin on 10:46 - Mar 8 by Lohengrin |
Do you know what I think will be the final resolution to all this, the compromise that will save face for both Putin and Zelensky and bring an end to the mayhem?
Ukraine being admitted to the EU but giving up any ambition to join NATO. |
I don't think Putin will go for that because the EU has the Common Security and Defence Policy (CDSP) and also EU states are in NATO.
His latest demand seems to be Zelenskyy concedes Crimea is Russian and Donetsk and Luhansk are indepedent, which to me means they will soon become Russian after some dubious referendum. | |
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| Putin on 11:13 - Mar 8 with 905 views | Lohengrin |
| Putin on 11:00 - Mar 8 by Catullus |
I don't think Putin will go for that because the EU has the Common Security and Defence Policy (CDSP) and also EU states are in NATO.
His latest demand seems to be Zelenskyy concedes Crimea is Russian and Donetsk and Luhansk are indepedent, which to me means they will soon become Russian after some dubious referendum. |
Any referendums in the three areas you mention are likely to return results that wouldn’t need manipulation from Putin’s standpoint. Ethnic Russians poured into those regions like a torrent to meet the labour demands of various Five-year-plans of the Soviet era. | |
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| Putin on 11:48 - Mar 8 with 883 views | Scotia |
| Putin on 11:00 - Mar 8 by Catullus |
I don't think Putin will go for that because the EU has the Common Security and Defence Policy (CDSP) and also EU states are in NATO.
His latest demand seems to be Zelenskyy concedes Crimea is Russian and Donetsk and Luhansk are indepedent, which to me means they will soon become Russian after some dubious referendum. |
Do you know what, I'm beginning to think some sort of compromise along those lines is the only way to save an awful lot of lives.
Putin cannot get away with this and I think we'll need to strengthen sanctions against Russia, in the medium term at least, to hopefully stop this kind of thing happening again.
He's almost certainly going to wrestle some sort of messy control away from the current Ukrainian government eventually at a cost of a levelled Ukraine, human catastrophe and ongoing battles for many years.
The Ukraine aren't going to stop them without outside help and outside help means WW3. | | | |
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