| Minimum Unit Pricing 15:03 - Sep 10 with 3196 views | Dr_Winston |
Another disastrous policy implemented in Scotland and slavishly copied by the Welsh Govt without even the slightest bit of evidence that it was achieving anything.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg5233gn67o
Now they're taking a story like this, which in any sensible society should be a reason to knock the whole stupid nonsense on the head, and doubling down. |  |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 15:42 - Sep 10 with 2435 views | felixstowe_jack |
Hardly surprising that the people of Scotland have taken to drink with the disastrous and divisive policies inflicted on Scotland by the SNP. |  |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 18:42 - Sep 10 with 2381 views | AnotherJohn |
I see that Dundee features on the list of areas with excess deaths. When I think back to my time in the city, and the kind of characters you would meet in some of the dives on the Perth Road, the Hilltown and Lochee, I wonder how the SNP and their woke policies ever got voted in. It must be a generational thing. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 19:14 - Sep 10 with 2351 views | majorraglan |
They are pointing the finger at increasing alcohol consumption as a result of the pandemic which could be valid because lots of research is backing that up, but I’m completely against the minimum price per unit as it operates now. If the additional costs went back in to services then I could support aspects of the policy, but as the excess goes in to the retailer’s back pocket is a big no no from me. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 00:22 - Sep 11 with 2263 views | Robbie |
Only been to Edinburgh and Scotland on the Rugby trips , great times up there too .
Never seen the dark side of that community , like all places it will be there somewhere .
Seems another token gesture to make alcohol unaffordable has failed , a druggie or alcoholic will get their fix at any risk to themselves , money will be found at any costs.
More reports of an upsurge in drink related problems soon to come as people struggle .
Their release valve is a drink , they will get that cure .
Money limits have failed , seems a packet of fags is about 13 quid now , good news .
Vapes and weed are the go to alternative now , an early morning walk past my local Comprehensive School is sad to see , good teachers must despair .
Drakeford jumping on the bandwagon of minimum pricing too .
There again , he wanted to take Wales back into the Dark Ages , all on horse and carts . | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 06:06 - Sep 11 with 2222 views | Dr_Winston |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 00:22 - Sep 11 by Robbie |
Only been to Edinburgh and Scotland on the Rugby trips , great times up there too .
Never seen the dark side of that community , like all places it will be there somewhere .
Seems another token gesture to make alcohol unaffordable has failed , a druggie or alcoholic will get their fix at any risk to themselves , money will be found at any costs.
More reports of an upsurge in drink related problems soon to come as people struggle .
Their release valve is a drink , they will get that cure .
Money limits have failed , seems a packet of fags is about 13 quid now , good news .
Vapes and weed are the go to alternative now , an early morning walk past my local Comprehensive School is sad to see , good teachers must despair .
Drakeford jumping on the bandwagon of minimum pricing too .
There again , he wanted to take Wales back into the Dark Ages , all on horse and carts . |
Second paragraph nails it. Something utterly obvious to anyone who knows anything about substance abusers, yet they went ahead and did it anyway. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 07:15 - Sep 11 with 2194 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 06:06 - Sep 11 by Dr_Winston |
Second paragraph nails it. Something utterly obvious to anyone who knows anything about substance abusers, yet they went ahead and did it anyway. |
I wonder what the crime stats say? I wonder if any "poor" people have turned to crime so they can afford more alcohol?
The tory said the policy has failed so some will doubt him because he's a tory but on the face of it, it at the very least hasn't helped and is pointless.
O'm with the major on this, if you're going to set minimum prices per unit then the extra money has to go to suport services. Letting the shops have it is just government sponsoring profits for corporations. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 07:31 - Sep 11 with 2190 views | Dr_Winston |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 07:15 - Sep 11 by SullutaCreturned |
I wonder what the crime stats say? I wonder if any "poor" people have turned to crime so they can afford more alcohol?
The tory said the policy has failed so some will doubt him because he's a tory but on the face of it, it at the very least hasn't helped and is pointless.
O'm with the major on this, if you're going to set minimum prices per unit then the extra money has to go to suport services. Letting the shops have it is just government sponsoring profits for corporations. |
In my experience at the moment alcoholics rarely need to turn to acquisitive crime to fund their hobbies, which may change if they keep trying to ramp the prices up. If you wanted to down two big bottles of Frosty Jack per day it'd cost you just over £20, which is substantially cheaper than a smack habit. 1 litre bottles of Gin, Rum, Vodka or Whiskey can also be had for less than £20 so the only people you're really inconveniencing with policies like this is social drinkers.
What tends to happen with your hard core drinkers is that they will spend everything they have on the booze, neglecting food, rent and bills, which is why they usually end up homeless. Sometimes one of the social group will obtain a flat and several of them will move into it. The place will be wrecked, rent won't be paid, they'll be evicted and the process starts again.
It goes back to the whole prohibition disaster. People can try to hector, ban, legislate and prosecute this stuff out of existence and it simply isn't going to happen. They've been fighting a war against drugs for decades and they can't even keep them out of prisons, never mind off the streets. It's insane futility to keep doing the same thing, over and over again. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 7:35]
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 08:16 - Sep 11 with 2162 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 07:31 - Sep 11 by Dr_Winston |
In my experience at the moment alcoholics rarely need to turn to acquisitive crime to fund their hobbies, which may change if they keep trying to ramp the prices up. If you wanted to down two big bottles of Frosty Jack per day it'd cost you just over £20, which is substantially cheaper than a smack habit. 1 litre bottles of Gin, Rum, Vodka or Whiskey can also be had for less than £20 so the only people you're really inconveniencing with policies like this is social drinkers.
What tends to happen with your hard core drinkers is that they will spend everything they have on the booze, neglecting food, rent and bills, which is why they usually end up homeless. Sometimes one of the social group will obtain a flat and several of them will move into it. The place will be wrecked, rent won't be paid, they'll be evicted and the process starts again.
It goes back to the whole prohibition disaster. People can try to hector, ban, legislate and prosecute this stuff out of existence and it simply isn't going to happen. They've been fighting a war against drugs for decades and they can't even keep them out of prisons, never mind off the streets. It's insane futility to keep doing the same thing, over and over again. [Post edited 11 Sep 2024 7:35]
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They never learn thse lessons. I'm in favour of legalising drugs to a certain dgree, have licensed shops and let the profits go to governments instead of the crime lords. | | | |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 14:28 - Sep 11 with 1987 views | 3swan |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 14:07 - Sep 11 by AnotherJohn |
Just joking about Broughty Ferry , though I once went to a posh dinner party there and I think it is now where Hamza Yousaf lives. Re football, just another Blue Nose then.  I used to watch both teams when I first moved to Dundee, but got a little disillusioned with the Dundee supporters when they reacted so negatively to United's success under Jim McLean. Those days when the "New Firm" mounted a challenge to Old Firm dominance have long since gone. |
Dundee were the team in 1963.
Strange you mentioned Blue Nose as 2 of my mates are Blue Nose (Birmingham)
I suppose we should let the thread get back on topic.
Won't be the last one to wander off. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 15:09 - Sep 11 with 1941 views | Dr_Winston |
Mrs Winston's sister in law inherited a house in Broughty Ferry. Sold it and bought two houses in Swansea for cash with the proceeds. Not a cheap place to live. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 15:38 - Sep 11 with 1927 views | 3swan |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 15:09 - Sep 11 by Dr_Winston |
Mrs Winston's sister in law inherited a house in Broughty Ferry. Sold it and bought two houses in Swansea for cash with the proceeds. Not a cheap place to live. |
Shows it's a small world.
Prices went up when news that a Swans fan went to school there.😁 | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 15:39 - Sep 11 with 1915 views | controversial_jack |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 15:09 - Sep 11 by Dr_Winston |
Mrs Winston's sister in law inherited a house in Broughty Ferry. Sold it and bought two houses in Swansea for cash with the proceeds. Not a cheap place to live. |
Pushing up prices is an attempt at prohibition , and that never works | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 19:31 - Sep 11 with 1854 views | fbreath |
Putting prices up just means addicts who do not work will just steal more to pay more.
Most serious addicts have nothing to lose. |  |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 10:06 - Sep 12 with 1732 views | controversial_jack |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 19:31 - Sep 11 by fbreath |
Putting prices up just means addicts who do not work will just steal more to pay more.
Most serious addicts have nothing to lose. |
We need a different approach, the so called war on drugs has been a complete failure and has made things worse | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 20:09 - Jan 15 with 595 views | Dr_Winston |
And now the morons want to double down on it.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/wales-strongbow-tax-could-raised-3
A report commissioned to provide exactly the conclusions those in favour of such a policy want will practically force them to. | |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 20:45 - Jan 15 with 526 views | AnotherJohn |
I was mildly irritated over Christmas to see that some of the supermarket multi-buy wine offers only applied to England. I think this is because some of the pricing has to be different. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 21:10 - Jan 15 with 490 views | majorraglan |
If it can be proven to have worked I’d be more inclined to support it, but there’d have to be changes because as things stand it doesn’t see any extra cash go in to treatments etc, it’s my understanding the additional revenue goes to the retailer.
There needs to be proper evaluation. I’ve not seen anything concrete which supports minimum pricing. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 22:01 - Jan 15 with 454 views | Flashberryjack |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 21:10 - Jan 15 by majorraglan |
If it can be proven to have worked I’d be more inclined to support it, but there’d have to be changes because as things stand it doesn’t see any extra cash go in to treatments etc, it’s my understanding the additional revenue goes to the retailer.
There needs to be proper evaluation. I’ve not seen anything concrete which supports minimum pricing. |
There is no extra cash to go anywhere, it just means that supermarkets are not allowed to sell below a certain price, which means that any alcohol offers they may have in England, are not available in Wales & Scotland.
I fear, if they get away with this they'll turn their attention on to other products they feel like, plus it's a great way of showing their control of the populatiion, we really neend this shower of clowns gone. |  |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 22:10 - Jan 15 with 449 views | Dr_Winston |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 22:01 - Jan 15 by Flashberryjack |
There is no extra cash to go anywhere, it just means that supermarkets are not allowed to sell below a certain price, which means that any alcohol offers they may have in England, are not available in Wales & Scotland.
I fear, if they get away with this they'll turn their attention on to other products they feel like, plus it's a great way of showing their control of the populatiion, we really neend this shower of clowns gone. |
I've got no great love for Farage and Reform, but come the next Welsh Govt elections, if it looks likely that they can do some serious damage to the cretins currently in charge I might just have to consider a protest vote in their favour.
Wales can't go on with the kind of hectoring, smug, self satisfied, incompetent, arrogant useless Government it's had since 1999. I love the place, but if these people remain in charge there's going to be nothing left. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 22:32 - Jan 15 with 403 views | Whiterockin |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 22:01 - Jan 15 by Flashberryjack |
There is no extra cash to go anywhere, it just means that supermarkets are not allowed to sell below a certain price, which means that any alcohol offers they may have in England, are not available in Wales & Scotland.
I fear, if they get away with this they'll turn their attention on to other products they feel like, plus it's a great way of showing their control of the populatiion, we really neend this shower of clowns gone. |
How many in Wales just pop over the border to stock up. This could also be counter productive for the legislation, the more you have the more the temptation to drink it. |  | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 00:35 - Jan 16 with 345 views | Robbie |
My own experience in retail , theft of alcohol is at an appalling rate .
All deterrents tags , safety mesh are not stopping shoplifters .
Local rumours abound about a bottle of Vodka stolen of course , available for a tenner .
A fix for that thief on his next score .
How do you stop a villain hellbent on getting on his hands on easy money .
Enough issues controlling the supply of booze as it is .
Hats off to NHS and Law Enforcement who take the real kicking . | | | |
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