| Madame Le Pen - what next ? 00:02 - Apr 1 with 2622 views | Kilkennyjack |
What do we know ?
Found guilty so not a runner in the French elections.
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| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 06:40 - Apr 9 with 661 views | Scotia |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 18:07 - Apr 4 by SullutaCreturned |
She has disputed the charges though, she has also disputed the punishment calling it a politucal decision.
We need a lawyer cognizant of French law. |
Only via a technicality in court though, she claimed something about there not being a link between her party membership and being able to write EU legislation. She didn't say "I didn't get any money from the EU"
I'm no French legal or political expert, but to me that sounds like Father Ted's frequent claim "the money was only resting in my account" [Post edited 9 Apr 9:28]
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| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 07:37 - Apr 9 with 629 views | AnotherJohn |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 06:40 - Apr 9 by Scotia |
Only via a technicality in court though, she claimed something about there not being a link between her party membership and being able to write EU legislation. She didn't say "I didn't get any money from the EU"
I'm no French legal or political expert, but to me that sounds like Father Ted's frequent claim "the money was only resting in my account" [Post edited 9 Apr 9:28]
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Based on the reports I've read, no money went to Le Pen's private bank accounts. The money from EU funds went to pay the salaries of political aids. These aids should have confined their work to supporting the work of MEPs in respect of EU duties, but it appears that the aids concerned were doing work on behalf of Le Pen's National Rally Party, which breaks EU rules and means that under French law a misappropriation of funds may have occurred. Is this understanding of events wrong? | | | |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 10:00 - Apr 10 with 529 views | mangohilljack |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 10:05 - Apr 8 by Baptist |
Pathetic response. But totally what one would come to expect from a painfully ignorant blowhard dullard like your self... [Post edited 8 Apr 10:06]
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Oh, the irony is clearly not lost on you.
Your response is also textbook behavior for the far-left echo chamber—void of substance, and instead propped up by tired insults and zero meaningful argument. When facts fall short, it seems name-calling is the only tool left in the box. | | | |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 10:04 - Apr 10 with 510 views | onehunglow |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 10:00 - Apr 10 by mangohilljack |
Oh, the irony is clearly not lost on you.
Your response is also textbook behavior for the far-left echo chamber—void of substance, and instead propped up by tired insults and zero meaningful argument. When facts fall short, it seems name-calling is the only tool left in the box. |
Although not being one for name calling, she is clearly not a natural blond and needs to see to her roots | |
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| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 08:55 - Apr 14 with 379 views | Baptist |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 10:00 - Apr 10 by mangohilljack |
Oh, the irony is clearly not lost on you.
Your response is also textbook behavior for the far-left echo chamber—void of substance, and instead propped up by tired insults and zero meaningful argument. When facts fall short, it seems name-calling is the only tool left in the box. |
Far left ?? :D
Yeah, proving thereby that for a MAGA-rooting, Afd, RN fanboy/sycophant nutjob like yourself anyone who holds opinions that don't accord with those of themselves and their doted overlords are immediately and indisputably Marxist. Your Overton window has shifted so much that it's fallen off the side of the building.
You actually think JD Vance (ffs) has valid contributions to make... 
Hitler was actually a nice bloke as well wasn't he eh... And that Mussolini well, misunderstood. Clown ! |  | | |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 09:20 - Apr 14 with 365 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 07:37 - Apr 9 by AnotherJohn |
Based on the reports I've read, no money went to Le Pen's private bank accounts. The money from EU funds went to pay the salaries of political aids. These aids should have confined their work to supporting the work of MEPs in respect of EU duties, but it appears that the aids concerned were doing work on behalf of Le Pen's National Rally Party, which breaks EU rules and means that under French law a misappropriation of funds may have occurred. Is this understanding of events wrong? |
That's what I heard from a French commentator and indeed other political parties in France have done the same |  |
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| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 11:54 - Apr 14 with 343 views | Baptist |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 09:20 - Apr 14 by JACKMANANDBOY |
That's what I heard from a French commentator and indeed other political parties in France have done the same |
Evidence of these assertions ? If other MEPs have been embezzling funds for specific party political purposes then they are also subject to the law.
It's a very serious offence and I'm sure they know it. So if you have anything to offer other than casual hearsay and rumour then let's have it... | | | |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 13:20 - Apr 14 with 323 views | mangohilljack |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 08:55 - Apr 14 by Baptist |
Far left ?? :D
Yeah, proving thereby that for a MAGA-rooting, Afd, RN fanboy/sycophant nutjob like yourself anyone who holds opinions that don't accord with those of themselves and their doted overlords are immediately and indisputably Marxist. Your Overton window has shifted so much that it's fallen off the side of the building.
You actually think JD Vance (ffs) has valid contributions to make...
Hitler was actually a nice bloke as well wasn't he eh... And that Mussolini well, misunderstood. Clown ! |
Ah, there it is - the full house of political hysteria: MAGA! AfD! RN! JD Vance! And a Hitler reference, all in under 100 words. Impressive. I’m actually surprised you didn’t squeeze in a Pepe the Frog meme and a tinfoil hat reference while you were at it.
It’s genuinely endearing how any view that doesn’t align with your curated Twitter feed gets immediately filed under “fascism.” Must be exhausting seeing the Fourth Reich in every opinion you don’t like. Do you twitch when someone says "tax cuts"?
Also, bonus points for invoking Mussolini. You really cracked open the emergency box of historical villains for that one. I assume Stalin’s being saved for your next reply when I dare to suggest that people can disagree without being cartoonishly evil?
But please, do go on—your moral panic theatre is top-shelf. Just let me grab some popcorn before Act II of “Everyone I Disagree With Is Literally Hitler.” | | | |
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| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 15:11 - Apr 14 with 297 views | AnotherJohn |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 11:54 - Apr 14 by Baptist |
Evidence of these assertions ? If other MEPs have been embezzling funds for specific party political purposes then they are also subject to the law.
It's a very serious offence and I'm sure they know it. So if you have anything to offer other than casual hearsay and rumour then let's have it... |
You still don't get it I'm afraid. This is an issue about how political aids, who are supporting MEPs and whose salaries come from the EU, spend their time. All the MEPs are members of political parties and in the real world do not entirely separate their party work from their EU work as MEPs. The allegation from several commentators familiar with how Brussels works is that is is not uncommon for aids to interweave the two kinds of work (and possibly some associated expenses), and that breaks the rules. The Paris-based lawyer who wrote the Spectator article at the link earlier in the thread gives examples. [Post edited 14 Apr 15:25]
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| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 15:19 - Apr 14 with 292 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 15:11 - Apr 14 by AnotherJohn |
You still don't get it I'm afraid. This is an issue about how political aids, who are supporting MEPs and whose salaries come from the EU, spend their time. All the MEPs are members of political parties and in the real world do not entirely separate their party work from their EU work as MEPs. The allegation from several commentators familiar with how Brussels works is that is is not uncommon for aids to interweave the two kinds of work (and possibly some associated expenses), and that breaks the rules. The Paris-based lawyer who wrote the Spectator article at the link earlier in the thread gives examples. [Post edited 14 Apr 15:25]
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Which I believe is very much the ppoint LePen is making, that this behaviour is common in French politics and while others are being ignored they are using the law against her to stop her because she she has become too popular for their liking.
Techniclly she is guilty but so are very many others though and they are no threat to the political order in France so they are not being charged, it's seelctive punishment. | | | |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 12:00 - Apr 15 with 202 views | Baptist |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 13:20 - Apr 14 by mangohilljack |
Ah, there it is - the full house of political hysteria: MAGA! AfD! RN! JD Vance! And a Hitler reference, all in under 100 words. Impressive. I’m actually surprised you didn’t squeeze in a Pepe the Frog meme and a tinfoil hat reference while you were at it.
It’s genuinely endearing how any view that doesn’t align with your curated Twitter feed gets immediately filed under “fascism.” Must be exhausting seeing the Fourth Reich in every opinion you don’t like. Do you twitch when someone says "tax cuts"?
Also, bonus points for invoking Mussolini. You really cracked open the emergency box of historical villains for that one. I assume Stalin’s being saved for your next reply when I dare to suggest that people can disagree without being cartoonishly evil?
But please, do go on—your moral panic theatre is top-shelf. Just let me grab some popcorn before Act II of “Everyone I Disagree With Is Literally Hitler.” |
Well, you're the one who threw out the term "far left" buddy boy.. and I believe twas you who have, on numerous occasions, offered seemingly unrelenting and obsequious apologism for various figures who should rightly be called out for the fashes they clearly are.
So, am calling them and you out. If you don't like it, well I'll cry genuine "snowflakey" tears on your account ok ? There there... | | | |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 12:08 - Apr 15 with 190 views | Baptist |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 15:11 - Apr 14 by AnotherJohn |
You still don't get it I'm afraid. This is an issue about how political aids, who are supporting MEPs and whose salaries come from the EU, spend their time. All the MEPs are members of political parties and in the real world do not entirely separate their party work from their EU work as MEPs. The allegation from several commentators familiar with how Brussels works is that is is not uncommon for aids to interweave the two kinds of work (and possibly some associated expenses), and that breaks the rules. The Paris-based lawyer who wrote the Spectator article at the link earlier in the thread gives examples. [Post edited 14 Apr 15:25]
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Specious argument and I very much get it, cheers.
If the aides are primarily engaged to support the MEP's business in Brussels then it is appropriate to apportion the funds received from the EU accordingly. If it is blatantly used for specific party political work (promotion, publicity etc.) then that is against the rules. Le Pen pushed her luck and, as is typical for many of her ilk, thought that no consequences would arise from her actions. Well she was wrong...
A (Gove-edited) Spectator article curated by a conveniently partisan French lawyer doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid. Soz | | | |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 14:45 - Apr 15 with 146 views | AnotherJohn |
| Madame Le Pen - what next ? on 12:08 - Apr 15 by Baptist |
Specious argument and I very much get it, cheers.
If the aides are primarily engaged to support the MEP's business in Brussels then it is appropriate to apportion the funds received from the EU accordingly. If it is blatantly used for specific party political work (promotion, publicity etc.) then that is against the rules. Le Pen pushed her luck and, as is typical for many of her ilk, thought that no consequences would arise from her actions. Well she was wrong...
A (Gove-edited) Spectator article curated by a conveniently partisan French lawyer doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid. Soz |
If the Spectator is not deemed reliable, then there are other sources that suggest others besides National Rally have been naughty too.
French Prime Minister François Bayrou and his party, the Democratic Movement, faced similar recent charges of misappropriation of funds.. Bayrou was acquitted due to insufficient evidence, but the party and eight officials were found guilty. Prosecutors have appealed his acquittal, and there will be a new trial.
https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/02/macron-ally-bayrou-cleared-of-embezzlement-as-
In 2020 the EU anti-fraud office, OLAF, reported that MEPs and staffers broke EU rules by transferring part of their salaries to national political party accounts in separate cases opened in 2017 and 2018. The two parties involved and the persons concerned were not named. The first case resulted in internal EU disciplinary action, while the second was resolved by repayment of the monies transferred.
https://www.politico.eu/article/meps-and-staff-transferred-over-e1-1-million-to-
The EU investigated allegations that assistants to MEPs from Ukip, the Tories and Labour had got involved in the UK general election campaign in 2015. No charges resulted.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-2015-british-mep
Other publications besides the Spectator have made the argument that this kind of blurring of EU and party work happens across the political spectrum.
https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/le-pen-on-trial-for-parliamentary
More generally, when OLAF has found irregularities the usual outcome is a mild slap on the wrist.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/02/01/one-in-four-meps-involved-in-s | | | |
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