| Prison shake-up announced ... on 13:18 - May 17 with 620 views | Flashberryjack |
Instant deportation of any foreign prisoner with less than 5 years left on his/her sentence.
Two birds with one stone. |  |
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| Prison shake-up announced ... on 13:27 - May 17 with 617 views | Dr_Winston |
There are too many non-violent offenders in prison. Prison spaces should primarily be reserved for persistent and prolific offenders, and those convicted of violent crimes. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Prison shake-up announced ... on 14:17 - May 17 with 572 views | majorraglan |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 13:27 - May 17 by Dr_Winston |
There are too many non-violent offenders in prison. Prison spaces should primarily be reserved for persistent and prolific offenders, and those convicted of violent crimes. |
I’d agree with this. Every effort should be made to rehabilitate most offenders before they get to the stage where a custodial sentence is the only answer. Those who prove themselves to be beyond rehabilitation would then get a proper 3 year stretch, no early release etc and would be receive training, education etc which will enable them to earn a living once they get back out. Your violent offenders, rapists, drug dealers and those who commit offences so serious that imprisonment is the only option etc would all be sentenced appropriately from the get go and not be subject to the rehabilitation requirement.
Further transgressions and offending would be dealt with harshly with much much longer sentences. |  | | |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 18:01 - May 17 with 535 views | SullutaCreturned |
There must be measures put in place to stop persistent offenders breaking laws. I was just thinking about banned drivers, a lot of them just keep on driving with no tax, insurance or MOT.
How about a database with all banned drivers on it, facial recognition and you cannot sell a car to anyone without going to the website and finding out if they are allowed to drive or not?
Anybody selling a car to a banned driver forfeits every penny.
Too draconian?
Then every banned driver caught driving gets 6 months in prison. | | | |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 18:39 - May 17 with 513 views | onehunglow |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 14:17 - May 17 by majorraglan |
I’d agree with this. Every effort should be made to rehabilitate most offenders before they get to the stage where a custodial sentence is the only answer. Those who prove themselves to be beyond rehabilitation would then get a proper 3 year stretch, no early release etc and would be receive training, education etc which will enable them to earn a living once they get back out. Your violent offenders, rapists, drug dealers and those who commit offences so serious that imprisonment is the only option etc would all be sentenced appropriately from the get go and not be subject to the rehabilitation requirement.
Further transgressions and offending would be dealt with harshly with much much longer sentences. |
First , we punish
Second , we isolate from society
It's them or us
Crime is a career
It's a choice
It's an easier way of earning a good living
Us or them
Frankly, I don't give a shyte about prisoners
There, anyone want to contest this , be my guest but tomorrow as I'm having a large bbq | |
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| Prison shake-up announced ... on 19:19 - May 17 with 507 views | raynor94 |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 14:17 - May 17 by majorraglan |
I’d agree with this. Every effort should be made to rehabilitate most offenders before they get to the stage where a custodial sentence is the only answer. Those who prove themselves to be beyond rehabilitation would then get a proper 3 year stretch, no early release etc and would be receive training, education etc which will enable them to earn a living once they get back out. Your violent offenders, rapists, drug dealers and those who commit offences so serious that imprisonment is the only option etc would all be sentenced appropriately from the get go and not be subject to the rehabilitation requirement.
Further transgressions and offending would be dealt with harshly with much much longer sentences. |
How would that work with the out of control gang shoplifting who now do it without any fear, how many times can you tell these feral individuals to stop.
Thankfully that outrageous £200 non prosecution has stopped |  |
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| Prison shake-up announced ... on 22:41 - May 17 with 434 views | majorraglan |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 19:19 - May 17 by raynor94 |
How would that work with the out of control gang shoplifting who now do it without any fear, how many times can you tell these feral individuals to stop.
Thankfully that outrageous £200 non prosecution has stopped |
As it did in the old days.
The police should attend each and every call, they should arrest every the offenders who are then processed through the criminal justice system. If found guilty, the Courts should sentence the offenders appropriately using the probation service to manage community based sentences, drug testing, rehabilitative activities. Prisoners would be supported through the sentence and rehabilitative processes etc etc. If they fail to take advantage of the opportunities being offered, then they get sent down for a long time.
Totally agree with you about the £200 limit, it’s a nonsense. A few years ago I had a conversation with a senior cop, his view was the police should treat shoplifting as a civil matter and that the big stores could afford to take out civil prosecutions etc etc - he’d been on the police’s fast track promotion type scheme so I suspect he had the idea from there. This was around 7 years ago when numbers had reached their lowest point, if that was indeed the Home Office belief then it beggars belief - anyone with half a brain could see it would be a recipe for disaster. | | | |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 22:50 - May 17 with 429 views | onehunglow |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 22:41 - May 17 by majorraglan |
As it did in the old days.
The police should attend each and every call, they should arrest every the offenders who are then processed through the criminal justice system. If found guilty, the Courts should sentence the offenders appropriately using the probation service to manage community based sentences, drug testing, rehabilitative activities. Prisoners would be supported through the sentence and rehabilitative processes etc etc. If they fail to take advantage of the opportunities being offered, then they get sent down for a long time.
Totally agree with you about the £200 limit, it’s a nonsense. A few years ago I had a conversation with a senior cop, his view was the police should treat shoplifting as a civil matter and that the big stores could afford to take out civil prosecutions etc etc - he’d been on the police’s fast track promotion type scheme so I suspect he had the idea from there. This was around 7 years ago when numbers had reached their lowest point, if that was indeed the Home Office belief then it beggars belief - anyone with half a brain could see it would be a recipe for disaster. |
I'm afraid modern police officers from Supt upwards are invariably shocking
Lions led by donkeys
A shitstorm I'd coming when this generation of bobbies retire and leave the modern day wets to it
Be safe all | |
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| Prison shake-up announced ... on 10:15 - May 18 with 340 views | controversial_jack |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 14:17 - May 17 by majorraglan |
I’d agree with this. Every effort should be made to rehabilitate most offenders before they get to the stage where a custodial sentence is the only answer. Those who prove themselves to be beyond rehabilitation would then get a proper 3 year stretch, no early release etc and would be receive training, education etc which will enable them to earn a living once they get back out. Your violent offenders, rapists, drug dealers and those who commit offences so serious that imprisonment is the only option etc would all be sentenced appropriately from the get go and not be subject to the rehabilitation requirement.
Further transgressions and offending would be dealt with harshly with much much longer sentences. |
Of course they will be back inside. 80% of all crime is re offending. Prison isn't the problem, release is. No accommodation, no job, no money, no help, back to the old ways they go | | | |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 18:40 - May 18 with 286 views | johnlangy |
One of the people on Daily Politics last week came out with some interesting things I didn't know. Perhaps some of you can expand.
He said that for some reason he doesn't understand over the last ten years the average sentence has increased substantially. For example, if you commit a robbery today you will be sent away for thirteen months more than if you had committed the exact same offence ten years ago. I wonder how many prisoners there are currently who are within that thirteen months from completing their sentences. Would 10,000 be an over or underestimate ?
He also said that one in five of all the people in prison currently are either awaiting trial or sentencing. That is 20,000 give or take. I imagine there's always a fairly substantial number in that situation but the huge numbers now are largely down to the fact that the justice system has been decimated over the last fourteen years. It's reasonable to imagine that a substantial number of those awaiting trial, if they had had their trial, would be found not guilty and therefore would not be in prison..
He also pointed out that the probation service has also been hollowed out, the inference being that that also is part of the reason for the surge in prisoner numbers. | | | |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 19:43 - May 18 with 245 views | majorraglan |
| Prison shake-up announced ... on 18:40 - May 18 by johnlangy |
One of the people on Daily Politics last week came out with some interesting things I didn't know. Perhaps some of you can expand.
He said that for some reason he doesn't understand over the last ten years the average sentence has increased substantially. For example, if you commit a robbery today you will be sent away for thirteen months more than if you had committed the exact same offence ten years ago. I wonder how many prisoners there are currently who are within that thirteen months from completing their sentences. Would 10,000 be an over or underestimate ?
He also said that one in five of all the people in prison currently are either awaiting trial or sentencing. That is 20,000 give or take. I imagine there's always a fairly substantial number in that situation but the huge numbers now are largely down to the fact that the justice system has been decimated over the last fourteen years. It's reasonable to imagine that a substantial number of those awaiting trial, if they had had their trial, would be found not guilty and therefore would not be in prison..
He also pointed out that the probation service has also been hollowed out, the inference being that that also is part of the reason for the surge in prisoner numbers. |
After gaining power in 2010, the Cameron and then May governments closed 50% of the Courts in England and Wales, they also introduced the disastrous changes to the Probation Service in 2015 and made changes to the Bail Act which resulted in the police having to Release Under Investigation suspects from Custody where they could previously use police bail. The RUI legislation was a disaster and reversed about 2 years ago.
If you look at the stats, Remand prisoners were at their lowest level in 2016 which is a surprise because that pre dates the 2017 changes which required the police to release suspects as opposed to bailing them, it the remained around the same level for a few years (RUI being in force and the Covid) before shooting up in the early 2020’s. O
https://data.justice.gov.uk/prisons/offender-management | | | |
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