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Energy debt 14:21 - Sep 25 with 5362 viewsraynor94

"growing"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8jmwdrn890o#:~:text=ways%20to%20tackle-,gro

What on earth is going to be done about this are they just going to add it on to the regular payers bills

You give it out, you take it back it`s all part of the game
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Energy debt on 19:22 - Sep 26 with 1594 viewsmajorraglan

Energy debt on 17:32 - Sep 26 by SullutaCreturned

Is that 12% on the utilities? because there's a significant cost on petrol/diesel too.

The turning the turbines off thing, the government paid over 500 million last year for that, these companies charge us a fortune for our power then they milk our taxes too, we get milked at both ends.


The 12% is for the utilities only.

I reckon the £500m is right on the bottom of the scale, over the entire uk I wouldn’t be surprised if it was billions.
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Energy debt on 19:34 - Sep 26 with 1569 viewsswan65split

Highest energy costs in the world in it? how does that work then?
we are being played left right and centre!
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Energy debt on 19:43 - Sep 26 with 1551 viewsSullutaCreturned

Energy debt on 19:22 - Sep 26 by majorraglan

The 12% is for the utilities only.

I reckon the £500m is right on the bottom of the scale, over the entire uk I wouldn’t be surprised if it was billions.


The 500 million was, if I remember, just for one wind farm. If the others were paid too then yes, billions.
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Energy debt on 19:55 - Sep 26 with 1533 viewsmajorraglan

Energy debt on 19:34 - Sep 26 by swan65split

Highest energy costs in the world in it? how does that work then?
we are being played left right and centre!


I got the below from AI. It doesn’t help that the idiots in Westminster (previous governments not this one) allowed our gas storage site at Rough Field to close meaning that we have next to no ability to build up large reserves of gas and are therefore reliant on LNG at market rates, which in winter time can be very expensive, whereas a number of our European neighbours are building up their reserves on the cheap in the summer ready for winter. We’ve been led by people with no strategic long term vision and it’s left us vulnerable.


AI answers
There is no single country with the consistently highest energy costs, as it depends on whether you're looking at industrial or residential prices and the timeframe. However, the United Kingdom often ranks highest for industrial electricity prices and has very high residential electricity costs, partly due to its island infrastructure, energy policies, and reliance on more expensive imported LNG after the Russia-Ukraine crisis. In some developing nations, such as the Solomon Islands, while prices may be high in absolute terms, the cost of energy can become a crippling proportion of a household's income
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Energy debt on 00:34 - Sep 27 with 1472 viewsswan65split

Energy debt on 19:55 - Sep 26 by majorraglan

I got the below from AI. It doesn’t help that the idiots in Westminster (previous governments not this one) allowed our gas storage site at Rough Field to close meaning that we have next to no ability to build up large reserves of gas and are therefore reliant on LNG at market rates, which in winter time can be very expensive, whereas a number of our European neighbours are building up their reserves on the cheap in the summer ready for winter. We’ve been led by people with no strategic long term vision and it’s left us vulnerable.


AI answers
There is no single country with the consistently highest energy costs, as it depends on whether you're looking at industrial or residential prices and the timeframe. However, the United Kingdom often ranks highest for industrial electricity prices and has very high residential electricity costs, partly due to its island infrastructure, energy policies, and reliance on more expensive imported LNG after the Russia-Ukraine crisis. In some developing nations, such as the Solomon Islands, while prices may be high in absolute terms, the cost of energy can become a crippling proportion of a household's income
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Too think that old Maggie that true blue , blamed the unions for crippling the country.
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Energy debt on 09:39 - Sep 27 with 1262 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Energy debt on 19:34 - Sep 26 by swan65split

Highest energy costs in the world in it? how does that work then?
we are being played left right and centre!


We are not the highest in Europe let alone the World.
Italy, Spain, Germany and Belgium all have higher electricity prices than the UK.

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Energy debt on 10:21 - Sep 27 with 1216 viewsAnotherJohn

Energy debt on 09:39 - Sep 27 by felixstowe_jack

We are not the highest in Europe let alone the World.
Italy, Spain, Germany and Belgium all have higher electricity prices than the UK.


I was surprised to see this claim. On checking, I found different answers in different places.

This report dated at Q4 2024 says we are the most expensive in Europe:

https://reports.electricinsights.co.uk/q4-2024/why-are-britains-power-prices-the

AI says we are 2nd only to the Czech Republic.

This website backs that up but with 2022 figures.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/09/08/soaring-energy-prices-how-does-the

Another one that states it uses 2024 figures is closer to your suggestion, with Italy, Denmark, Switzerland all more expensive than us.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-electricity-by-countr

The comparison may be more complicated than we might assume, with for example industrial and residential prices being different.
[Post edited 27 Sep 12:04]
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Energy debt on 17:01 - Sep 27 with 1120 viewsSullutaCreturned

Energy debt on 10:21 - Sep 27 by AnotherJohn

I was surprised to see this claim. On checking, I found different answers in different places.

This report dated at Q4 2024 says we are the most expensive in Europe:

https://reports.electricinsights.co.uk/q4-2024/why-are-britains-power-prices-the

AI says we are 2nd only to the Czech Republic.

This website backs that up but with 2022 figures.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/09/08/soaring-energy-prices-how-does-the

Another one that states it uses 2024 figures is closer to your suggestion, with Italy, Denmark, Switzerland all more expensive than us.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-electricity-by-countr

The comparison may be more complicated than we might assume, with for example industrial and residential prices being different.
[Post edited 27 Sep 12:04]


And what I found says that only Ireland and Italy have higher prices than us, but not by much, 0.05 and 0.03 USA pennies per KwH respectively.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countr

With Belgium and Germany having the same price as the UK. These numbers being this year.

Edit, the point being though, we are paying more than needs be and that is because of government policy that, at the end of the day, is pointless and meaningless in the grand sheme of things.
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Energy debt on 09:02 - Sep 28 with 984 viewsswan65split

Energy debt on 19:55 - Sep 26 by majorraglan

I got the below from AI. It doesn’t help that the idiots in Westminster (previous governments not this one) allowed our gas storage site at Rough Field to close meaning that we have next to no ability to build up large reserves of gas and are therefore reliant on LNG at market rates, which in winter time can be very expensive, whereas a number of our European neighbours are building up their reserves on the cheap in the summer ready for winter. We’ve been led by people with no strategic long term vision and it’s left us vulnerable.


AI answers
There is no single country with the consistently highest energy costs, as it depends on whether you're looking at industrial or residential prices and the timeframe. However, the United Kingdom often ranks highest for industrial electricity prices and has very high residential electricity costs, partly due to its island infrastructure, energy policies, and reliance on more expensive imported LNG after the Russia-Ukraine crisis. In some developing nations, such as the Solomon Islands, while prices may be high in absolute terms, the cost of energy can become a crippling proportion of a household's income
[Post edited 26 Sep 19:56]


I heard the comment on the box last week, either on one of Politics live shows or QT. cant remeber who made it, and dont think it was challenged.
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Energy debt on 07:38 - Oct 16 with 129 viewsDr_Winston

Energy debt on 20:59 - Sep 25 by Dr_Winston

All utilities in the US are private. Energy bills are much cheaper there.

Our bills are high because of Net Zero costs and green levies. No other reason. "But, but Thatcher!" no longer works as an excuse.

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