| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 14:42 - Oct 15 with 299 views | Ifonly |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 14:25 - Oct 15 by saint901 |
If we view the European and global football pyramid, the financial pyramid, together, the English Premier League is literally in a league of its own.
It outspends every other European league and those leagues in turn outspend the South American and other leagues.
In any statistical analysis (and therefore in any quantum driven financial analysis), the PL is an outlier.
There are perhaps 10 to 12 clubs there who are "permanent" and 8 to 10 clubs who cannot claim that.
So really getting to and staying in the PL is limited to those 10 to 12 clubs. To put that in context, that's less than a quarter of one percent of the global professional club population.
To build a business model on reaching and staying in that <0.25% would mean that you are supremely confident, have the backing of probably a sovereign wealth fund, would be running at an operating loss for a decade. For almost all clubs without these attributes, the PL is unobtainable in the long term.
Therefore a model at a lower level - and here perhaps we assume that the Championship is equivalent to most European top leagues with the exception of a few stand out names - is likely to be more (financially) stable and sustainable.
Finding one "star" who was acquired for relative peanuts, played a few games and is then sold on for megabucks (Lavia perhaps?) is enough for at least one years' profit especially if the overheads etc are lower than the PL. |
It's not a model that makes any sense. Championship clubs don't make money. One of the very few to avoid consistent large losses is Blackburn. They made £3.3m last year - great in relative terms, but as a return on investment it's pitiful.
You talk about selling players on like Lavia. But why did Lavia come to SFC? It was because we were in the PL. If you're not in the PL you only get players like that on loan, not as an asset you can sell.
Football is a mug's game financially, but for those in it to make a profit the only place to do that is the PL. |  | |  |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 15:22 - Oct 15 with 262 views | PatfromPoole |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 14:42 - Oct 15 by Ifonly |
It's not a model that makes any sense. Championship clubs don't make money. One of the very few to avoid consistent large losses is Blackburn. They made £3.3m last year - great in relative terms, but as a return on investment it's pitiful.
You talk about selling players on like Lavia. But why did Lavia come to SFC? It was because we were in the PL. If you're not in the PL you only get players like that on loan, not as an asset you can sell.
Football is a mug's game financially, but for those in it to make a profit the only place to do that is the PL. |
Quite.
We would never have sold Fernandes or Dibling for anything remotely close to £40m if they had not played in the Prem.
Prem clubs won't spend big on Championship players; they can get better value from abroad. |  |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 15:30 - Oct 15 with 248 views | saint901 |
The financial model being pursued by SR and others is not based on the profits made by the clubs.
The profit made by a club - as reported - is usually game/TV/merchandise receipts, less costs such as salaries, premises, overheads.
The cost of a player is a capital cost - not a revenue cost.
For the purposes of reporting for FFP etc, the cost of a player is spread over the period of their contract (hence we say Chelsea sign players for ten years).
The sale of a player is likewise not part of the annual income v expenditure but rather a capital transaction.
SR make money from buying and selling players, not whether we make an annual profit. | | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 15:51 - Oct 15 with 229 views | Ifonly |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 15:30 - Oct 15 by saint901 |
The financial model being pursued by SR and others is not based on the profits made by the clubs.
The profit made by a club - as reported - is usually game/TV/merchandise receipts, less costs such as salaries, premises, overheads.
The cost of a player is a capital cost - not a revenue cost.
For the purposes of reporting for FFP etc, the cost of a player is spread over the period of their contract (hence we say Chelsea sign players for ten years).
The sale of a player is likewise not part of the annual income v expenditure but rather a capital transaction.
SR make money from buying and selling players, not whether we make an annual profit. |
The profit/loss on player trading is included in all club's reported profit and loss for the year. Look at SFC's annual accounts. It's just the same if a non-football business made a profit or loss on an asset e.g. a warehouse, that would have to be included in the profit & loss account. | | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 16:09 - Oct 15 with 209 views | PatfromPoole |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 15:30 - Oct 15 by saint901 |
The financial model being pursued by SR and others is not based on the profits made by the clubs.
The profit made by a club - as reported - is usually game/TV/merchandise receipts, less costs such as salaries, premises, overheads.
The cost of a player is a capital cost - not a revenue cost.
For the purposes of reporting for FFP etc, the cost of a player is spread over the period of their contract (hence we say Chelsea sign players for ten years).
The sale of a player is likewise not part of the annual income v expenditure but rather a capital transaction.
SR make money from buying and selling players, not whether we make an annual profit. |
That's not true.
If a player is sold, the profit from selling him goes into the P & L for the year.
The cost will be based on how long is left on the player's contract in terms of the proportion of the original transfer fee we paid for him; it is true that the cost is amortised over the duration of the contract, however the benefit of the sale is taken in full in the year of sale. [Post edited 15 Oct 16:10]
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 17:52 - Oct 15 with 175 views | yateleysaint |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:49 - Oct 15 by SaintNick |
Its not the club binning off Jelert or Downs it is the manager, I said elsewhere that you can't judge Jelert on the back of a couple of short sub appearances in the Championship and the same with Downs.
Saints history is littered with players who have made instant impacts and gone on to be legends, it is also littered with players who made instant impacts and then never built on them.
Conversely there are plenty of players who took their time to get going and went on to become club legends, Sadio Mane for instance didnt score in his first 3 appearances for the club and then got his first goal in the 4th League game in what was his 216th minute of football (more if you add his barren game in the League cup).
He would then go 7 games before scoring again, plus a league cup game at Sheffield United where the fans were really on his bag, the rest as they say was history.
Likewise James Beattie in his first season 98/99 just 5 goals in 22 +(13 sub) appearances in the League was ok but not great and then the following season 8(10) appearances saw not a single goal, that is what you call a slow start to a career and likewise the rest as they say is history.
In contrast Manolo Gabbiadini made an explosive start, in his first 3 league games he scored 4 goals with 2 in the League cup final sandwiched in the middle. 6 in just 4 games.
He would not score again in 8 games played in the remainder of the season, the following season he would score 5 times in 36 appearances in all competitions and the following half season score just once.
In his two years at the club he played 25 plus 26 sub games for the club in the League and hit just 10 goals, 4 of those in the first 3 games.
But he is remembered a lot more fondly than he perhaps should be, for those first 4 games plus that winner at Swansea City in May 2018. |
Not to mention the small matter of the Wembley hat-trick! |  |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 09:21 - Oct 17 with 73 views | saintwizzler |
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