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Reply | The Madsen rehabilitation thread
at 20:11 18 Apr 2025
Actively enjoyed watching him today. Even off the ball. He seemed to be organising Yang and Kolli’s presses as well as doing his own.
I think over the last couple of seasons we’ve really struggled for quality on the ball which leads to a lack of clear cut chances. We’ve obviously heavily relied of Chair in that department. Madsen absolutely has quality, can pass the ball arguably better than anyone in the squad and it looks like he and Marti might have found a way or system that he can contribute defensively toward. All of a sudden I want to see him in the lineup.
Anyway I’ve slagged him off on here for the vast majority of the season so thought it only right to give him credit when it’s clearly due. |
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Reply | Is Nourry that bad?
at 12:17 11 Apr 2025
So if a player was signed for big money that the manager perhaps didn't fancy he wouldn't get a game... But if a player was signed for big money that didn't get a game it's definitely not because the manager perhaps didn't fancy him? Ok, cool. ta. |
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Reply | Is Nourry that bad?
at 12:14 11 Apr 2025
What's rubbish then Gazza? Call it out specifically. Thank goodness you're here as the oracle and arbitrator.
I'm getting wound up a bit by these types of responses because the vast majority of the posts in this thread are actively and carefully balanced. Who's saying 'it's all Nourry's fault' as you facetiously claimed? All I can see are people giving opinions on what's gone well and what hasn't... Which is surely the purpose of the thread? |
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Reply | Is Nourry that bad?
at 11:50 11 Apr 2025
"The Manager must want the player otherwise the player doesn't get a game."
Good point... If this were happening we'd seriously be running the risk of spunking £3m on a guy that's played less minutes than than an 18 year old development squad free transfer.
Oh wait... That's exactly what's happened. |
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Reply | Is Nourry that bad?
at 12:55 10 Apr 2025
I think the very thread you're writing in proves this isn't remotely true. |
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Reply | Madsen
at 11:30 10 Apr 2025
Don't think I learned anything on him last night. He's always looked very technically proficient. He also has the pace of a glacier and somehow gets even slower off the ball. Maybe he did a bit more last night and it was like playing with 10 and a half men without the ball rather than the usual 10.
He'll look good in certain games and certain situations. When he gets plenty of ball to feet in the opposing half with movement around him he'll effect the game. I think we've already learned than he'll far more often effect the game negatively with his practical refusal to defend and muck in. He's a total luxury that we just don't need. |
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Reply | Substitutes
at 11:25 10 Apr 2025
Clever move. Didn't know you could get a concussion in your ankle. |
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Reply | Is Nourry that bad?
at 11:21 10 Apr 2025
He deserves credit. Signings like Nardi, Morrison, Saito, Edwards, Varane and Frey have largely been good if not great and - without access to the finances - feel like decent value for money. Even Yang scored a very important goal for us last night.
Coupled with that we've also signed Esquerdinha, Friel, Morgan and Bennie under him for the DS - and Vale too... Obviously time will tell on every single ones of those but the direction is logical and exciting. You can probably add Akindileni to that list in the summer also.
Really the only blot on the copybook in the 'cheap' category is Ashby but I'd imagine he's been very cheap.
He also got 'that' fee for Sinclair Armstrong was was a masterstroke.
My knock on him is when he actually has had to make big calls on (relatively) expensive transfers, he's signed Madsen, Dembele and Celar. Now clearly there are more chapters to be written on all three, particularly Dembele but it looks like we'll either have to chalk up losses on the other two or carry them both in the squad and on the P&S calculation for the next few seasons. That for me is a serious concern and shapes our forthcoming budgets negatively - far moreso than the good work he's done on the cheaper players. It warrants questioning / criticism. What happens when we next have a couple of million knocking about within P&S? It cannot be invested as poorly as it was last summer.
Lastly, aside from the pounds and pence and P&L, he's also charged with responsibility of how the club feels - to the players, the coaches and the fans. Now this one is even more subjective and ultimately immeasurable. But for me, the place just doesn't quite smell right. There are persistent rumours about discontent, persistent rumours that Marti won't be here next year, Dunne and Paal are about to leave on a free. We had to beg and plead for injury updates. We still don't have any idea about contract lengths and a general feeling of opacity rather than transparity.
For me at least, there's a constant feeling of uncertainty and the jury is very much out. I sense some choppy waters ahead.
I'm sure certain people will be triggered by those last points (hi Ned!) but that's just how I see it personally. |
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Reply | We need a Director of Football
at 17:40 9 Apr 2025
He did vom on this thread. In the early days. Then he suddenly stopped. Coincidentally Steve popped up at the exact time SE vanished... and he popped up to defend SE's ridiculously dated references (Justin Fashanu and Gary Birtles are still making me giggle.)
It stinks of fish in here. And it ain't Gary Haddock. |
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Reply | We need a Director of Football
at 11:36 7 Apr 2025
If they’ve trusted - entirely - the head coach to spend the biggest transfer fee they’ve outlaid for several years, may I ask what Nourry and Belk and the rest of the recruitment analysts actually do? You’re using that as a get out for them but I would argue it’s even more damning upon them. |
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Reply | We need a Director of Football
at 11:33 7 Apr 2025
Is anyone else getting a whiff of the Paladini’s here?
Strange arguments, strange claims, strange time. |
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Reply | We need a Director of Football
at 11:31 7 Apr 2025
You’re missing the % of our allowable losses that Madsen’s transfer fee takes up over a three year period which relative to almost every signing we've made for the last 5/6 years is very high.
He was a huge bet for this football club. They had to be very confident in the player to justify spending that money. And look who they got for it. |
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Reply | We need a Director of Football
at 11:18 7 Apr 2025
Absolute nonsense.
No player we’ll sign will feature in that list because we have no parachute payments, a small stadium and modest turnover. Therefore the P&S rules effectively don’t allow us to appear on that list.
By our own standards (which are the only ones relevant) he was a big money signing. More due diligence should have been done on him than any player that we’ve signed in the last decade. |
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Reply | We need a Director of Football
at 11:14 7 Apr 2025
I’d rather not get drawn into a debate about ‘who signs the players’ because that’s been done to death on here.
But… if what you’re suggesting is correct, the implication is they had so few options thrown up by the (presumably costly) recruitment network that they ended up spunking their biggest financial bet on a player purely based on anecdotal feedback from the head coach.
I don’t believe that for a single millisecond given Marti’s total disinterest in picking him for the back two thirds of this season but even if it were true it’s still rather damning of the recruitment network and even more so Nourry’s decision making anyway. |
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Reply | We need a Director of Football
at 10:17 7 Apr 2025
Well excusing paying multi million pounds in the P&S rule era on a player so ill equipped for the Championship as Nico Madsen by saying Nottingham Forest bought Justin Fashanu in 1981 or Manchester United bought Gary Birtles in 1980 made me laugh.
I don't expect every signing to be incredible. The fact that the two highest outlays have been two of our poorer performers is inexcusable though. In hindsight it reeks of desperation and / or incompetence. You could have spent 10% of those fees on players that would have had similar impacts on our season. The Madsen signing in particular is a disaster and as previously stated if we can't get money back on him the dent the fee makes in our P&S will impact the next three seasons. If you can't be pretty damn sure the player you're getting is an investment at that transfer fee, don't buy him. It's inexcusable. |
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Reply | We need a Director of Football
at 07:40 7 Apr 2025
Absolutely laughable examples here. Two of them happened before I was born and I’m a middle aged grey haired father.
1JD’s excellent point was relative to Championship P&S rules and he’s spot on. The Madsen and Celar transfer fees will now hamstring us for three years unless we can get some money back for them.
None of your examples happened in the Championship, three of them are from a different century and even the ‘modern’ one happened before any such sustainability rules came in and by a club that essentially can opt out of them. |
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Reply | We need a Director of Football
at 10:35 6 Apr 2025
I can’t see how this could possibly work now personally. You have Nourry in the room who clearly has some pretty strong opinions on the identification of players and the scouting set up. He has his hands around the purse strings so would ultimately get the biggest vote.
From what we’ve seen / read / heard about the people he’s employed it appears to be a bit of an ‘in’ group so any such DOF would almost certainly be one of his guys and ultimately a yes man. I cannot even begin to imagine him stepping away from that side of things and bowing to the knowledge of a grizzled football man. He wouldn’t employ him in the first place and if he were forced to I’d imagine there would be a huge power struggle from minute one.
He’s not a specialist CEO like Hoos was. It would make even less sense for him to be forced into a more pure CEO role expecting him to swallow his pride and go with someone else’s football and recruitment strategy. What would be the point? At that point you may as well employ a more traditional CEO with experience in football to just manage the balance sheet for the board.
They’ve done their load on him now. He’s the guy. If you want a Steve Gallen or Neil Warnock driving the football side of the club you’re gonna have to oust this guy first. |
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