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Reply | Absolute proud to be a ranger tonight....
at 09:11 16 May 2025
Totally agree with the sentiment here.
Last night felt very 'QPR'. Good, honest, hard-working football with a swagger. It's been a while since I recognised our club's DNA in one of it's teams quite so abundantly.
I think it's made extra special by that wonderful man looking like a pure thoroughbred stood on the touchline, doing his best for QPR exactly like he's done every day since the day he got here nearly 25 years ago. I watched a YouTube video of one of his coaching sessions this morning, he has a wonderful communicative manner that commands attention and respect. Clearly those lads are enjoying themselves playing for him. He really is a class act and someone we should be very proud to have working for us.
That midfield of Morgan, Tuck and Murphy was pretty sublime. What a trio. They have a bit of everything between them and compliment each other so well.
Thanks and well done to all involved. I hope they're all buzzing this morning, they all deserve it. |
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Reply | Jonathan Varane contract extension
at 08:55 9 May 2025
It's not about a principled 'right' to know something, everything or anything. For me it's about creating a space of uncertainty by consistently and brazenly withholding information.
Whilst my life wouldn't be greatly enriched (or any different whatsoever) by knowing how long 'Jona' Varane is contracted to QPR... Withholding information from fans creates a void than can and will only be filled with speculation and will create a sense of distrust in those that withhold the information. As 1JD pointed out - it's marketing or politics 101; relate to your paying customers / voters. There is nothing relatable to Christian Nourry to me whatsoever and over time that's bleeding into a similar sense with QPR too.
Here we are in a thread about a 23 year old QPR player that's pretty much universally popular signing an extended contract and it's got somewhat prickly with polarising views and people taking little swipes and making digs at one another. The communication style at the club for the last 18 months has created that space I'm afraid. It's classic dictatorship behaviour with some being somewhat blindly loyal to the cause and others questioning what they don't know. There's your divide. You can see it on almost every thread on here. This thread should only be divisive by opinions on Jon Varane. But it isn't. We're pretty much united on that but still arguing anyway. Pretty scary stuff for me and defines exactly what I don't like about the club under Nourry. [Post edited 9 May 8:56]
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Reply | The QPR summer managers rumours thread
at 11:13 8 May 2025
Yes well those people were probably hoping they'd have been replaced by people with demonstrable experience in their respective roles with perhaps even a proven track record rather than giving a 26 year old who'd never before been an employee of a football club both jobs. Those people thought a change were needed to drive progression. It's not their fault they were served a farcical situation as a replacement.
I'd be a bit careful throwing stones too as certain people around here seem 'more than happy to see the back of' Marti Cifuentes. Let's see how those people feel a few games into next season. Pretty much the exact same situation. [Post edited 8 May 11:21]
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Reply | Jimmy Dunne
at 11:02 8 May 2025
Spot on.
If anyone here actually believes QPR haven't been trying to get Jimmy to sign a new contract for at least 12-18 months, you're mad. At the very least he's a financial asset on a P&L sheet with a rapidly decreasing value. I don't believe for a second they haven't been trying to manage that either by trying to sell him or getting him to extend or both. I don't have any inside knowledge or proof of that it's just common sense. They don't even tell us when players are injured or who's in or out of contract so they're hardly likely to release a press release detailing that contract offers have been made.
Jimmy has been a superb player for us and a joy to watch far more often than not but when Bright, Willock and Manning did what Jimmy has done they were all relentlessly criticised and the club was not. Jimmy has done the same thing and people have got the hump with the club purely because they love him.
Maybe he wants to get to the PL or maybe he just wants more money or a longer contract but either way, he doesn't want to be here next season. Or at the very least he'd rather be somewhere else. He's earned that right more than the other three players mentioned as he's given far more to the cause but ultimately he's doing the very same thing those others did. |
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Reply | Jimmy Dunne
at 08:58 8 May 2025
Sorry Nump you're wrong again here.
For us to pocket £15m from any Eze sale we'd have to have a 20% of future transfer fee clause and he'd have to go for £75m. I guess there's a chance of that but it's very optimistic.
Even with that number added to our last turnover it would come to £40.9m. Bristol City posted £42.4m in their last accounts so we're still short.
Even then you're including transfer profit for QPR but not Bristol City. They made £21.7m OUTSIDE of that £42.4m turnover in their last accounts. If that were repeated they'd be playing with an annual turnover of £64.1m vs ours of £40.9m.
Whether you like it or not or think QPR 'should' be able to outspend Bristol City as we're clearly a much bigger club, the simple, objective fact is that due to P&S rules they can outspend us by at least 3:2. Anyone we offer £20k per week to, they can offer £30k and it represents the same % of their P&S cap. We cannot compete with them financially. |
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Reply | Jimmy Dunne
at 05:15 5 May 2025
Bristol City posted a turnover of £42.4m in 2024 which is £16m more than ours.
Their wage bill came to £34.9m. Ours was £23.8m.
They are able to - and do - outspend us very, very heavily. We can’t get close to competing with them financially and stay within P&S limits.
Not sure where you get the conviction that wages they could offer wouldn’t be massively different or unaffordable. The accounts say exactly the contrary. |
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Reply | Reform UK
at 14:55 3 May 2025
Weirdest account on LFW. |
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Reply | Development side .
at 09:23 2 May 2025
Why would anyone hate reading that?! Joyous reading, thanks for sharing. We can but hope. |
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Reply | Kevin Betsy on WLS
at 09:15 2 May 2025
Wait til Stainrod's Elbow gets a hold of this. It'll be something like...
"Whilst he did, in his own modest way, attempt to convey information, this interview ultimately amounted to little more than a pedestrian exercise in verbal filler—uninspired, unilluminating, and entirely bereft of intellectual nourishment. Monotonous, slow-witted and lackluster. Complete flim-flam. Us fans deserve better than to be patronised with this sort of balderdash." |
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Reply | question about marti's contract
at 16:09 1 May 2025
Quite amazing how this week in the QPR / LFW soap opera we've expertly debated public limited company boardroom constitutions, the weighting of votes down to individuals around a varnished walnut table and extensive UK employment law loopholes. Every now and then a game of football breaks out. And it's usually shite.
What do fans of other teams talk about of their forums? Full backs, offsides and what exactly is the meat in a 'meat pie'? I can only imagine... |
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 09:43 1 May 2025
James the only Championship clubs that made a single figure loss in their last accounts all made well over £20m in transfer fees that year. One of them Watford who clearly fiddle that number by moving players between themselves and Udinese.
Expecting £20m profit from transfer fees and then not re-investing it every year is no strategy. When it doesn't happen (which for us is every single year for the last 15 with one single exception), you end up in the same peril as we are today anyway.
The only way to do it would be to increase that revenue but then you're asking QPR to make £10m MORE annual revenue than the likes of Middlesbrough, Sunderland, WBA. Again, they only club that's managed that is Bristol City but even they have been willing to lose £20m in a season themselves even off that higher turnover.
The entire division is doped financially by people willing to underwrite it. The entire division. What you're describing is a League One club or one from a bygone era. [Post edited 1 May 9:44]
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Reply | Cifuentes on gardening leave
at 09:18 1 May 2025
Just to call out on this 'sustainability' thing... Looking at PBT posted by every single Championship club in their most recent accounts, every single one posted a loss if you take into account player sales.
Sheff Weds had the smallest annual loss of £10.1m.
We made a loss of £15.7m. If we wanted to break even with that cost of squad (which we already know is very low due to back loaded contracts for Cook and Colback and needing a fallow year to comply with FFP) we would need to increase revenue by 61%. There's only one non-parachute payment club in the division with revenue even close to that new number which is Bristol City... Who ended up shelling out £67.4m that year.
Even if we somehow found a way to increase that revenue to those amounts and we kept the same playing budget, our annual spend would be £25.6m less per annum than what Bristol City elect to spend on their squad.
If we set a budget to break even on current revenue levels it would leaves us with an annual budget of £25.9m, comfortably the smallest in the Championship. Even if you found a way to increase that revenue by 61% and then set a budget to break even, you'd still only have the 16th highest budget in the Championship.
Frankly - The Championship is not even remotely a sustainable league. There is no way you can compete sustainably. Other clubs make as much and much more than us and elect to push the P&S limit anyway. And I'm not talking 1 or 2 clubs, I'm talking 22 or 23. And the ones that don't immediately get relegated. [Post edited 1 May 9:20]
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