| One big marketing own-goal 17:37 - Dec 21 with 25458 views | tony_roch975 |
BBC Football website this evening reads "Hill concerned at fan discontent". Whatever your opinion, between the (minority) boos on Saturday, the interminable thread on the KH post match comments and those comments themselves, we've managed a cracking marketing own-goal. Bit pointless complaining about the club's weakness in the PR & Marketing areas as happens ad infinitum on this forum and then in a stroke creating an impression of a disunited, unwelcoming club which players & fans (existing and future) are far less likely to want to be part of. Time for all concerned to learn a bit of perspective - or time to bang a few heads together!! |  |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 17:47 - Dec 21 with 10928 views | SuddenLad |
A Sunday match report I read, didn't mention the football, just the disaffected supporters.
If people keep making mountains out of molehills, the nonsense will continue. These numpties who pose the post-match questions to the manager know wxactly what they are doing. He takes the bait and the Press create a furore over nothing.
Job done and they have a story from nothing. |  |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 17:50 - Dec 21 with 10917 views | 442Dale |
| One big marketing own-goal on 17:47 - Dec 21 by SuddenLad |
A Sunday match report I read, didn't mention the football, just the disaffected supporters.
If people keep making mountains out of molehills, the nonsense will continue. These numpties who pose the post-match questions to the manager know wxactly what they are doing. He takes the bait and the Press create a furore over nothing.
Job done and they have a story from nothing. |
Again, one person has the opportunity to prevent all of this.
And if he can't, then others could be having a word to try and eradicate the problem.
Edit: and how is it a GMR interview can include a reporter asking Hill questions about this, yet I can't recall Wagg & co ever asking Flitcroft or Day how they've assembled such a squad or about the rumours that surface amongst Bury's supporters? [Post edited 21 Dec 2015 17:56]
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| One big marketing own-goal on 17:55 - Dec 21 with 10893 views | 1mark1 |
The press and media are getting this "story" from one source, the mouth of KH. |  |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 17:57 - Dec 21 with 10881 views | D_Alien |
| One big marketing own-goal on 17:47 - Dec 21 by SuddenLad |
A Sunday match report I read, didn't mention the football, just the disaffected supporters.
If people keep making mountains out of molehills, the nonsense will continue. These numpties who pose the post-match questions to the manager know wxactly what they are doing. He takes the bait and the Press create a furore over nothing.
Job done and they have a story from nothing. |
We all know what journalists are up to.
The only fools are those who give them what they want. In my opinion what Hill said post-match wasn't just in response to the questions posed but had a degree of premeditation to it. I'm glad it's on the national website though; his outpourings need to be seen and read by chairmen of football clubs up and down the land.
Our own chairman would be negligent in his duties if he doesn't put a stop to this right now. Chris Dunphy comes from the terraces, he's a fan first and foremost, and he'll have groaned and shouted whilst watching Dale in his younger days. He should be seeking to educate his employee on "The Philosophy of the Football Fan". |  |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 18:03 - Dec 21 with 10852 views | 442Dale |
| One big marketing own-goal on 17:57 - Dec 21 by D_Alien |
We all know what journalists are up to.
The only fools are those who give them what they want. In my opinion what Hill said post-match wasn't just in response to the questions posed but had a degree of premeditation to it. I'm glad it's on the national website though; his outpourings need to be seen and read by chairmen of football clubs up and down the land.
Our own chairman would be negligent in his duties if he doesn't put a stop to this right now. Chris Dunphy comes from the terraces, he's a fan first and foremost, and he'll have groaned and shouted whilst watching Dale in his younger days. He should be seeking to educate his employee on "The Philosophy of the Football Fan". |
That sodding word wants eliminating from the English language. | |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 18:08 - Dec 21 with 10819 views | 442Dale |
"The Future Game"?
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| One big marketing own-goal on 19:13 - Dec 21 with 10638 views | robbowood |
If there is more than 1% of Dale supporters 'discontented' at us having 30 points from 22 games I will be amazed. Hilly (our greatest manager ever) seems to have convinced himself the number of fans who are "unhappy" is over 90% the way he is talking
If, contrary to what I think, Hilly is right it is surely because it is the style of football the team has been playing over the last few weeks which has caused this and made the fans 'unhappy'
Compared to the early part of the season we have NOT played the ball on the ground through midfield as much as we have done since Hilly came back. Allen and Lund injured hasn't helped and bringing back BBM told me we have been missing someone who can put his foot on the ball and pass it around
In a few games we have mainly resorted to hoofing the ball in the air and hoping for the best - which the majority of Dale fans don't want to see any more. If we keep the ball on the floor in midfield we can beat most teams in this division
Hilly is always going to come out with "comments" which a lot of us don't agree with (or understand) and we can ignore them most of the time
But on this occasion I hope Hilly will reflect on what he has said and that it is completely untrue - and realise that 99.9% of the fans are right behind him
If he doesn't read this forum I would like to hope that that someone at the club will tell him the true situation about the 'fan discontent'!! | | | |
| One big marketing own-goal on 19:17 - Dec 21 with 10624 views | tony_roch975 |
| One big marketing own-goal on 17:57 - Dec 21 by D_Alien |
We all know what journalists are up to.
The only fools are those who give them what they want. In my opinion what Hill said post-match wasn't just in response to the questions posed but had a degree of premeditation to it. I'm glad it's on the national website though; his outpourings need to be seen and read by chairmen of football clubs up and down the land.
Our own chairman would be negligent in his duties if he doesn't put a stop to this right now. Chris Dunphy comes from the terraces, he's a fan first and foremost, and he'll have groaned and shouted whilst watching Dale in his younger days. He should be seeking to educate his employee on "The Philosophy of the Football Fan". |
That's what we don't need - just to satisfy discontent with KH, being happy to see our club belittled in the national media so we no longer attract those few players willing to play for low wages and get even fewer fans - so less money & lower wages. That's the vicious circle which needs breaking so that the rest of us can continue enjoying the best football and League position seen at Spotland in decades - however weak the manager's PR skills there's clearly little wrong with his ability to get the best from whatever squad we can afford year after year. Fine - encourage improvements in the PR but when you're in a hole...... | |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 19:27 - Dec 21 with 10583 views | D_Alien |
| One big marketing own-goal on 19:17 - Dec 21 by tony_roch975 |
That's what we don't need - just to satisfy discontent with KH, being happy to see our club belittled in the national media so we no longer attract those few players willing to play for low wages and get even fewer fans - so less money & lower wages. That's the vicious circle which needs breaking so that the rest of us can continue enjoying the best football and League position seen at Spotland in decades - however weak the manager's PR skills there's clearly little wrong with his ability to get the best from whatever squad we can afford year after year. Fine - encourage improvements in the PR but when you're in a hole...... |
It's in the hands of his employers, Rochdale FC. | |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 20:30 - Dec 21 with 10454 views | zxcvbnm |
We'll never know if what should happen will
But either Colin garlick or Chris dunphy needs to tell kh to pull his head in. The last two matches have been completely overshadowed by hills post match comments. They need to tell him to think before he speaks. |  |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 21:02 - Dec 21 with 10368 views | TVOS1907 |
| One big marketing own-goal on 20:30 - Dec 21 by zxcvbnm |
We'll never know if what should happen will
But either Colin garlick or Chris dunphy needs to tell kh to pull his head in. The last two matches have been completely overshadowed by hills post match comments. They need to tell him to think before he speaks. |
Absolutely and it appears as though he's dictating what type of questions he can and can't be asked. |  |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 21:37 - Dec 21 with 10287 views | D_Dale |
Without getting into psycho-babble, Hill seems to be projecting on to the fans his own sense of disappointment with himself over the teams he has fielded.
There hasn't been the 'no fear' football of the first half of last season which produced away wins of 5-2, 4-0 and 4-1 (at Crewe, Crawley and Colchester) and home wins of 4-0 and 3-0 (against Walsall and Preston).
Younger player who emerged in the promotion season and improved further last season - Camps, Tanser, Allen, Rafferty - haven't continued to develop at the same rate. Other clubs haven't been keen to sign our players similar to the interest in Scott Hogan and Matt Done.
There's been a lack of the magic touch needed to make Lewis Alessandra into a goal-scoring forward.
There haven't been inspired loan signing like Jack O'Connell and Conrad Logan; instead, John O'Sullivan.
Of course, Hill can't work miracles (and no season has been without the likes of Graham Cummins, Jack Muldoon, George Donnelly ...). Also, L1 has very many clubs better resourced than Dale. The fact that we stand mid-table should be a matter of praise rather than criticism. But there has been a sense that the manager has had to adopt a grind-out-the -results approach, one that makes the main objective to avoid defeat (we've already drawn as many league matches - six - as in the whole of the last season).
Perhaps in the second half of this season it will be possible to recapture the flair that was present for much of the first half of the last.
Anyhow, don't beat up the fans, Keith, or yourself. | | | |
| One big marketing own-goal on 21:44 - Dec 21 with 10269 views | alderleydale |
| One big marketing own-goal on 21:02 - Dec 21 by TVOS1907 |
Absolutely and it appears as though he's dictating what type of questions he can and can't be asked. |
I did notice on Saturday on Dale Player that he completely ignored the guys first long winded question and went straight into his now infamous Saturday night rant.
Well he can stick it up his arse
After a long phone call tonight, my Pal and myself wont be going on Saturday
we`re both in our 60s both take our Grandsons with us so that's 4 paying customers that wont be attending.
We are too old and too long in the tooth to be talked down too in the way that Hill does
F*CK HIM if he wants to know what a disconnect is tell him to read this
You can not talk to paying customers in this condescending way [Post edited 21 Dec 2015 21:59]
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| One big marketing own-goal on 21:55 - Dec 21 with 10240 views | SuddenLad |
| One big marketing own-goal on 21:44 - Dec 21 by alderleydale |
I did notice on Saturday on Dale Player that he completely ignored the guys first long winded question and went straight into his now infamous Saturday night rant.
Well he can stick it up his arse
After a long phone call tonight, my Pal and myself wont be going on Saturday
we`re both in our 60s both take our Grandsons with us so that's 4 paying customers that wont be attending.
We are too old and too long in the tooth to be talked down too in the way that Hill does
F*CK HIM if he wants to know what a disconnect is tell him to read this
You can not talk to paying customers in this condescending way [Post edited 21 Dec 2015 21:59]
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But he hasn't spoken to you in person, so why take umbrage as though he had made the comments personal ? If you choose not to go support your team, because of a few ill-chosen words from the manager, the club loses £50.
Has this turned into a campaign to punish the team ?
If anyone has a real and genuine grievance, why not try writing to the club, or manager, to explain how you feel instead of turning it into a Jeremy Kyle saga. ? | |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 21:56 - Dec 21 with 10239 views | zxcvbnm |
Email that message to Colin garlick | |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 21:58 - Dec 21 with 10236 views | D_Alien |
| One big marketing own-goal on 21:44 - Dec 21 by alderleydale |
I did notice on Saturday on Dale Player that he completely ignored the guys first long winded question and went straight into his now infamous Saturday night rant.
Well he can stick it up his arse
After a long phone call tonight, my Pal and myself wont be going on Saturday
we`re both in our 60s both take our Grandsons with us so that's 4 paying customers that wont be attending.
We are too old and too long in the tooth to be talked down too in the way that Hill does
F*CK HIM if he wants to know what a disconnect is tell him to read this
You can not talk to paying customers in this condescending way [Post edited 21 Dec 2015 21:59]
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That's sad, but entirely understandable. On another thread, an attempt was being made to use the Boxing Day game as a fixture to wipe the slate clean. Maybe something will happen between now and then for you and your mate plus grandsons to reconsider? I hope so, but don't blame you at all for taking that decision.
This is really starting to hurt the club now, and if one of his employees in the church heating business was slagging off his customers to their faces, we know CD wouldn't just stand aside and do nothing. | |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 22:10 - Dec 21 with 10203 views | nordenblue |
| One big marketing own-goal on 21:58 - Dec 21 by D_Alien |
That's sad, but entirely understandable. On another thread, an attempt was being made to use the Boxing Day game as a fixture to wipe the slate clean. Maybe something will happen between now and then for you and your mate plus grandsons to reconsider? I hope so, but don't blame you at all for taking that decision.
This is really starting to hurt the club now, and if one of his employees in the church heating business was slagging off his customers to their faces, we know CD wouldn't just stand aside and do nothing. |
Some very good posts recently DA,its always been prominent in KH that he believes he can say and slag off exactly who and what he likes yet if anyone dares to have a difference of opinion and voice it he jumps all over it. | | | |
| One big marketing own-goal on 22:15 - Dec 21 with 10187 views | TVOS1907 |
| One big marketing own-goal on 21:56 - Dec 21 by zxcvbnm |
Email that message to Colin garlick |
Which message? | |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 22:30 - Dec 21 with 10140 views | SuddenLad |
| One big marketing own-goal on 21:58 - Dec 21 by D_Alien |
That's sad, but entirely understandable. On another thread, an attempt was being made to use the Boxing Day game as a fixture to wipe the slate clean. Maybe something will happen between now and then for you and your mate plus grandsons to reconsider? I hope so, but don't blame you at all for taking that decision.
This is really starting to hurt the club now, and if one of his employees in the church heating business was slagging off his customers to their faces, we know CD wouldn't just stand aside and do nothing. |
Which comments have been made 'face to face' that warrant the withdrawal of support ?
I thought the 'unwise comments' were made into a microphone in response to a comment/question being made by a journo ?
Anyway, maybe some won't be happy until we start advertising for a manager. Problem solved. He will probably need the silky skills of a polished, fully trained PR man, who can easily appease the remaining supporters when we slide rapidly back to the accustomed 'Rochdale Division'. These precious, fragile supporters will be able to rest easy then.
We can all be happy when we're back on more familiar territory, travelling to Hartlepool in a minibus. | |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 22:35 - Dec 21 with 10129 views | zxcvbnm |
| One big marketing own-goal on 22:15 - Dec 21 by TVOS1907 |
Which message? |
Sorry meant to quote alderleydale.
That message needs to be sent to someone like Colin garlick. Dale can't afford to lose fans. | |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 22:55 - Dec 21 with 10076 views | 442Dale |
| One big marketing own-goal on 22:30 - Dec 21 by SuddenLad |
Which comments have been made 'face to face' that warrant the withdrawal of support ?
I thought the 'unwise comments' were made into a microphone in response to a comment/question being made by a journo ?
Anyway, maybe some won't be happy until we start advertising for a manager. Problem solved. He will probably need the silky skills of a polished, fully trained PR man, who can easily appease the remaining supporters when we slide rapidly back to the accustomed 'Rochdale Division'. These precious, fragile supporters will be able to rest easy then.
We can all be happy when we're back on more familiar territory, travelling to Hartlepool in a minibus. |
Who, apart from those who have been shouted down, has ever mentioned being happy when we start looking for a new manager?
No PR training required, simply stop going on about the fans. Asked about fans? "we're really grateful for the ones we have and ask that they keep getting behind what we're trying to achieve". It's really that simple.
What Hill said doesn't bother me one bit personally, it was just pointless and that needs saying. Nothing precious about that. | |
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| One big marketing own-goal on 22:59 - Dec 21 with 10059 views | alderleydale |
| One big marketing own-goal on 22:30 - Dec 21 by SuddenLad |
Which comments have been made 'face to face' that warrant the withdrawal of support ?
I thought the 'unwise comments' were made into a microphone in response to a comment/question being made by a journo ?
Anyway, maybe some won't be happy until we start advertising for a manager. Problem solved. He will probably need the silky skills of a polished, fully trained PR man, who can easily appease the remaining supporters when we slide rapidly back to the accustomed 'Rochdale Division'. These precious, fragile supporters will be able to rest easy then.
We can all be happy when we're back on more familiar territory, travelling to Hartlepool in a minibus. |
Precious fragile are you for real
We`ve been going since the 50s we`ve travelled the length and breadth of Britain hundreds of times over supporting The Dale.
I have lived in Cheshire for the last 14 years and do just short of a 100 mile round trip just for a HOME GAME
Cheshire to Haslingden to pick up Grandson over the tops to Rochdale and the same journey home.
You could call me a lot of things but precious and fragile I`m not | | | |
| One big marketing own-goal on 23:07 - Dec 21 with 10029 views | D_Alien |
| One big marketing own-goal on 22:30 - Dec 21 by SuddenLad |
Which comments have been made 'face to face' that warrant the withdrawal of support ?
I thought the 'unwise comments' were made into a microphone in response to a comment/question being made by a journo ?
Anyway, maybe some won't be happy until we start advertising for a manager. Problem solved. He will probably need the silky skills of a polished, fully trained PR man, who can easily appease the remaining supporters when we slide rapidly back to the accustomed 'Rochdale Division'. These precious, fragile supporters will be able to rest easy then.
We can all be happy when we're back on more familiar territory, travelling to Hartlepool in a minibus. |
You're picking up on my use of a figure of speech, which is fine, but it's hardly the issue is it? In fact, using the media to slag off fans is far worse, because it's not to individual faces but to all of us. And it's pretty clear there was premeditation in his comments; the questions, if anything, come about because journos know he has history in trying to control the perfectly natural reaction of fans to the ebb and flo of the game. And that's the bottom line.
It's clear that any such defence of his indefensible comments comes about through fans thinking he'll be upping sticks because of it. If he's going to do that, he'll not be doing it because of fans watching a game, but fans who stop watching - and there's already a batch not coming on Saturday through his stupidity. But if he thinks he'd get away with it under any other chairman and at any other club he's more than deluded, and this becoming the headline on the League One page of the BBC football website is a huge shooting of himself in the foot, let alone reputational damage to the club. | |
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