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Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot.
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:22 - Nov 26 by A_Fans_Dad
Doc, if you haven't watched the other videos yet you must watch this one now. It details everything that is shown in the other videos from a Cyber Security expert that has been investigating voting machines for years. It is truly shocking.
I now understand a lot of comments I have seen.
Arn't the voting machines not connected to the internet. Hence the configuration issue in PA, where the server configuration was updated but the local guy at one of the districts didn't update the one machine which caused an issue corelating the votes to the right candidate for that machine.
Normal systems this wouldn't be an issue, as you'd put the configuration into the main server and this would download that configuration to all the clients.
Groo does what Groo does best
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:07 - Nov 26 with 1704 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:22 - Nov 26 by A_Fans_Dad
Doc, if you haven't watched the other videos yet you must watch this one now. It details everything that is shown in the other videos from a Cyber Security expert that has been investigating voting machines for years. It is truly shocking.
I now understand a lot of comments I have seen.
Conservative or Right Wing conspiracy theorist and political commentator.
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:45 - Nov 26 by Groo
Arn't the voting machines not connected to the internet. Hence the configuration issue in PA, where the server configuration was updated but the local guy at one of the districts didn't update the one machine which caused an issue corelating the votes to the right candidate for that machine.
Normal systems this wouldn't be an issue, as you'd put the configuration into the main server and this would download that configuration to all the clients.
If you think that is the only problem you need to watch all the videos.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:54 - Nov 26 with 1677 views
I don't really trust anything from the left or right unless it's in an official capacity.
It's hard to know what is genuine and what isn't with so much skin in the game for both sides.
I am of the thinking if any of this stuff is genuine then it would form part of the legal action. I am not in a position to know if what I am looking at is accurate or not on these videos to be honest.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
I rarely post articles. But this one I read this morning from the New York Times as I was researching in work, and it is particularly excellent.
Caveat: It’s not posted as proof of anything before the usual mob start foaming at the mouth, but it is a good read and raises some very important points.
This year, several high-profile writers have left left-leaning publications after running afoul of what they describe as a pervasive culture of censoriousness, groupthink and intellectual-risk aversion. This month, Donald Trump once again stunned much of the liberal establishment by dramatically beating polling expectations to come within about 80,000 votes of another Electoral College victory.
It’s worth asking whether there’s a connection between the two – that is, between the left’s increasingly constricted view of the world and the increasing frequency with which leftists are surprised by the world as it is.
What, today, is leftism, at least when it comes to intellectual life? Not what it used to be. Once it was predominantly liberal, albeit with radical fringes. Now it is predominantly progressive, or woke, with centrist liberals in dissent. Once it was irreverent. Now it is pious. Once it believed that truth was best discovered by engaging opposing points of view. Now it believes that truth can be established by eliminating them. Once it cared about process. Now it is obsessed with outcomes. Once it understood, with Walt Whitman, that we contain multitudes. Now it is into dualities: We are privileged or powerless, white or of color, racist or anti-racist, oppressor or oppressed.
The list goes on. But the central difference is this: The old liberal left paid attention to complexity, ambiguity, the gray areas. A sense of complexity induced a measure of doubt, including self-doubt. The new left typically seeks to reduce things to elements such as race, class and gender, in ways that erase ambiguity and doubt. The new left is a factory of certitudes.
It’s from that factory that writers like Andrew Sullivan and Glenn Greenwald have fled, and from which many other independent-minded thinkers will, sooner or later, follow. For them, the loss isn’t devastating: They have large followings and can use new digital platforms like Substack to make a generous living.
For the new left – and the publications that champion it – the loss is much greater. It makes them predictable, smug and dull. It alienates readers. A current article on the New York magazine website is titled, “I Think About Björk’s Creativity Animal a Lot.” For gems such as this they got rid of Sullivan?
But worse than making it dull, the purge (or self-purge) of contrarians has made the new left blind.
According to the incessant pronouncements of much of the news media (including a few of my own), Donald Trump is the most anti-Black, anti-Hispanic and anti-woman president in modern memory. Yet the CNN exit poll found that Trump won a majority of the vote of white women against both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. He also improved his vote share over 2016 with both Latino and Black voters, while losing most of the advantage he previously had with college-educated white males – precisely the demographic his policies had supposedly done most to favor.
If the catechism of today’s left determined reality, none of this would have happened. Racial, ethnic or sexual identity would have trumped every other voting consideration. But as the Texas Democratic Representative Henry Cuellar recently told Axios: “Trump did a much better job at understanding Hispanics. Sometimes, Democrats see Hispanics as monolithic.” Latino voters in his South Texas district were particularly turned off by progressive rhetoric about defunding the police, opposition to fossil fuels and decriminalizing border crossings. What is true of Cuellar’s constituency is true of everyone: People are rarely reducible to a single animating political consideration. Nor should they be subject to a simple moral judgment. Motives are complicated: It is perfectly possible to see Trump for the reprehensible man he is and still find something to like in his policies, just as it is possible to admire Biden’s character and reject his politics.
The apparent inability of many on the left to entertain the thought that decent human beings might have voted for Trump for sensible reasons – to take one example, the unemployment rate reached record lows before the pandemic hit – amounts to an epic failure to see their fellow Americans with understanding, much less with empathy. It repels the 73 million Trump voters who cannot see anything of themselves in media caricatures of them as fragile, bigoted, greedy and somewhat stupid white people.
It also motivates them. The surest way to fuel the politics of resentment – the politics that gave us the Tea Party, Brexit and Trump, and will continue to furnish more of the same – is to give people something to resent. Jeering moral condescension from entitled elites is among the things most people tend to resent.
Which brings me back to the flight of the contrarians. As the left (and the institutions that represent it) increasingly becomes an intellectual monoculture, it will do more than just drive away talent, as well as significant parts of its audience. It will become more self-certain, more obnoxious to those who don’t share its assumptions, more blinkered and more frequently wrong.
To the enemies of the left, the self-harm that left-leaning institutions do with their increasingly frequent excommunications is, ultimately, good news. The mystery is why liberals would do it to themselves.
[Post edited 27 Nov 2020 3:38]
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 03:37 - Nov 27 by Dr_Parnassus
I rarely post articles. But this one I read this morning from the New York Times as I was researching in work, and it is particularly excellent.
Caveat: It’s not posted as proof of anything before the usual mob start foaming at the mouth, but it is a good read and raises some very important points.
This year, several high-profile writers have left left-leaning publications after running afoul of what they describe as a pervasive culture of censoriousness, groupthink and intellectual-risk aversion. This month, Donald Trump once again stunned much of the liberal establishment by dramatically beating polling expectations to come within about 80,000 votes of another Electoral College victory.
It’s worth asking whether there’s a connection between the two – that is, between the left’s increasingly constricted view of the world and the increasing frequency with which leftists are surprised by the world as it is.
What, today, is leftism, at least when it comes to intellectual life? Not what it used to be. Once it was predominantly liberal, albeit with radical fringes. Now it is predominantly progressive, or woke, with centrist liberals in dissent. Once it was irreverent. Now it is pious. Once it believed that truth was best discovered by engaging opposing points of view. Now it believes that truth can be established by eliminating them. Once it cared about process. Now it is obsessed with outcomes. Once it understood, with Walt Whitman, that we contain multitudes. Now it is into dualities: We are privileged or powerless, white or of color, racist or anti-racist, oppressor or oppressed.
The list goes on. But the central difference is this: The old liberal left paid attention to complexity, ambiguity, the gray areas. A sense of complexity induced a measure of doubt, including self-doubt. The new left typically seeks to reduce things to elements such as race, class and gender, in ways that erase ambiguity and doubt. The new left is a factory of certitudes.
It’s from that factory that writers like Andrew Sullivan and Glenn Greenwald have fled, and from which many other independent-minded thinkers will, sooner or later, follow. For them, the loss isn’t devastating: They have large followings and can use new digital platforms like Substack to make a generous living.
For the new left – and the publications that champion it – the loss is much greater. It makes them predictable, smug and dull. It alienates readers. A current article on the New York magazine website is titled, “I Think About Björk’s Creativity Animal a Lot.” For gems such as this they got rid of Sullivan?
But worse than making it dull, the purge (or self-purge) of contrarians has made the new left blind.
According to the incessant pronouncements of much of the news media (including a few of my own), Donald Trump is the most anti-Black, anti-Hispanic and anti-woman president in modern memory. Yet the CNN exit poll found that Trump won a majority of the vote of white women against both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. He also improved his vote share over 2016 with both Latino and Black voters, while losing most of the advantage he previously had with college-educated white males – precisely the demographic his policies had supposedly done most to favor.
If the catechism of today’s left determined reality, none of this would have happened. Racial, ethnic or sexual identity would have trumped every other voting consideration. But as the Texas Democratic Representative Henry Cuellar recently told Axios: “Trump did a much better job at understanding Hispanics. Sometimes, Democrats see Hispanics as monolithic.” Latino voters in his South Texas district were particularly turned off by progressive rhetoric about defunding the police, opposition to fossil fuels and decriminalizing border crossings. What is true of Cuellar’s constituency is true of everyone: People are rarely reducible to a single animating political consideration. Nor should they be subject to a simple moral judgment. Motives are complicated: It is perfectly possible to see Trump for the reprehensible man he is and still find something to like in his policies, just as it is possible to admire Biden’s character and reject his politics.
The apparent inability of many on the left to entertain the thought that decent human beings might have voted for Trump for sensible reasons – to take one example, the unemployment rate reached record lows before the pandemic hit – amounts to an epic failure to see their fellow Americans with understanding, much less with empathy. It repels the 73 million Trump voters who cannot see anything of themselves in media caricatures of them as fragile, bigoted, greedy and somewhat stupid white people.
It also motivates them. The surest way to fuel the politics of resentment – the politics that gave us the Tea Party, Brexit and Trump, and will continue to furnish more of the same – is to give people something to resent. Jeering moral condescension from entitled elites is among the things most people tend to resent.
Which brings me back to the flight of the contrarians. As the left (and the institutions that represent it) increasingly becomes an intellectual monoculture, it will do more than just drive away talent, as well as significant parts of its audience. It will become more self-certain, more obnoxious to those who don’t share its assumptions, more blinkered and more frequently wrong.
To the enemies of the left, the self-harm that left-leaning institutions do with their increasingly frequent excommunications is, ultimately, good news. The mystery is why liberals would do it to themselves.
[Post edited 27 Nov 2020 3:38]
Read this over my porridge.
Ironic that the piece uses words I frequently use.
Condescension, ambiguity, obnoxious, smug.
Nice to see Walt Whitman get a mention.
I could have written it myself.
So, it's a first, a post of yours that I don't actually disagree with. ðŸ‘
Good old NYT.
Now, it's off to work I go.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 07:39 - Nov 27 with 1581 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:54 - Nov 26 by Dr_Parnassus
I don't really trust anything from the left or right unless it's in an official capacity.
It's hard to know what is genuine and what isn't with so much skin in the game for both sides.
I am of the thinking if any of this stuff is genuine then it would form part of the legal action. I am not in a position to know if what I am looking at is accurate or not on these videos to be honest.
Well I asked if it was forming part of the legal push, you didn’t know.
There are lots of videos going around purporting to show a whole load of impossibilities but I’m just saying you would think that they would form the major part of the legal case if so.
I am not qualified to know what I am looking at with them or where the data is coming from and the possible explanations for them. Just from what I have seen and verified myself, there are some strange statistical anomalies, there is no question about it. The issue is finding what caused them otherwise no matter how improbable, it’s unlikely to pass.
I will have some time tomorrow morning so plan to read the submitted evidence and legal cases. At this stage anything worthwhile will be in the legal case. If it is in there somewhere then my interest will peak.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 18:25 - Nov 27 by Kilkennyjack
Another failure for Trump .... 😂😂✊ðŸ¾
No, not a failure, another step closer to the Supreme court.
Watched the videos of the so called non existent fraud yet. Hundreds of affidavits and lots of statistical analysis proving fraud. How would you like it if there was a Welsh referendum for Welsh Indepenedence and they swapped the Yes votes to No votes and the Nos won by a large margin?
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:04 - Nov 27 with 1374 views
Now Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia an experienced ethical hacker, big data architect and cloud security expert in cloud computing, Blockchain technology, and big data analytic solutions has signed an affidavit confirming election fraud in all battleground states.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:10 - Nov 27 with 1349 views
Whenever trump concedes (because he will have to eventually) the brainwashed on this forum will STILL swear blind that he won.
It's an indication on how divisive he has made the country he says he loves, hes an embarrassment and the sooner hes gone the better not only for them but for the rest of the world.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:02 - Nov 27 with 1324 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:10 - Nov 27 by Fireboy2
Whenever trump concedes (because he will have to eventually) the brainwashed on this forum will STILL swear blind that he won.
It's an indication on how divisive he has made the country he says he loves, hes an embarrassment and the sooner hes gone the better not only for them but for the rest of the world.
Like those that claim Hillary won it 2016 you mean?
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 22:10 - Nov 27 by Fireboy2
Whenever trump concedes (because he will have to eventually) the brainwashed on this forum will STILL swear blind that he won.
It's an indication on how divisive he has made the country he says he loves, hes an embarrassment and the sooner hes gone the better not only for them but for the rest of the world.
Watched the videos yet?
You Biden supporting Trump haters keep repeating the msm mantra of "no evidence of fraud" when there is a great deal of it. You can ignore it, but that won't make it go away.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:27 - Nov 27 with 1302 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:23 - Nov 27 by A_Fans_Dad
Watched the videos yet?
You Biden supporting Trump haters keep repeating the msm mantra of "no evidence of fraud" when there is a great deal of it. You can ignore it, but that won't make it go away.
You keep thinking that fella, your pain will be over soon but as I've said your ilk will keep harping on that the orange man was robbed.
And btw I'm from being a Biden supporter although I definitely am a trump hater.
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