| FA Cup VAR question? 21:39 - Jan 8 with 1936 views | hedgeend61 |
Do you think it's fair VAR is used in some games and not others?
Sheff Wed/Newcastle both had pretty obvious offside goals allowed to stand, whereas the previous evening Everton had one disallowed for millimetres at 2-1 which the lino never gave, which would have been allowed if they were say playing at someone like Cardiff. Fair?
The Salah goal, he's a mile off if the defender just leaves it (which he can't) gets given offside, but as he attempts to clear it, it's not. Fair? What do you think SFC Ref.
The Wolves offside goal, which obviously wasn't, gets given if Liverpool scored it, Dean doing VAR explains why it was. |  | | |  |
| FA Cup VAR question? on 21:41 - Jan 8 with 1933 views | SaintNick |
I think its better to use it in some games and hopefully get some decisions right that may have been wrong, than not have it in all games and get some bad calls |  |
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| FA Cup VAR question? on 23:07 - Jan 8 with 1836 views | cocklebreath |
I think the half use of it at Anfield was scandalous |  |
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| FA Cup VAR question? on 23:20 - Jan 8 with 1818 views | SFC_Referee |
In my view personally, I think VAR should only be used for black and white things anyway (mistaken identity, offsides, goal line tech, ball in or out of play etc), as those things are the ones that only idiots argue with, whilst whether a foul is deemed as enough for a red or not, or whether it’s enough for a foul in the first place or not etc, isn’t, and is things they’ll always be debates over irrelevant of what tech is or isn’t being used.
But with regards to the FA Cup, there’s pros and cons on both sides. As the fairest thing to do would be to have it at every FA Cup game, but as we all know that’s not possible as some games don’t have anywhere near enough camera men to cover the angles required for it.
So therefore you’ve got a very much debatable decision on your hands…
As if you don’t use VAR for any of the games, then yeah it’s more consistent, and everyone’s in the same boat, but then again all that’s gonna do is mean that they’ll probably be more issues, more controversy and more teams thinking they were “unfairly” knocked out of the tournament as they had an incorrect decision go against them, which VAR could’ve stopped. Whilst if it is used there’s less controversy and less decisions that clubs can really complain about.
As I’ve spoken to several championships referees over recent seasons, and they’re all getting trained to use VAR as it’s going to be introduced into the championship soon, but not to the same level as it will be in the prem (as it won’t be used for everything it is in the prem, although I don’t know all the ins and outs of it)l but that probably means it’ll also be used in championship home games in the cup in the next few seasons.
But personally the main thing that sells it for me is the fact that at the end of the day, the further in the tournament you get, the mor PL teams they’ll be as a percentage, meaning that they’ll be less and less games without it, and therefore more VAR in the latter more important rounds, and having it can’t be negative but only positive, as so far for this FA cup, I’ve not seen VAR get any decisions wrong (and no the wolves incident doesn’t count as that was the lineman messing up but not VAR), so it can only make those games it used in fairer rather than not being used and them being less fair. But still it’s certainly something I’m not 100% with for ether side, and it’s a fair discussion on both ends and both sides have points [Post edited 8 Jan 2023 23:37]
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| FA Cup VAR question? on 23:35 - Jan 8 with 1798 views | SFC_Referee |
And with regards to the decisions you’ve mentioned, I’ve just rewatched the Newcastle and Sheffield Wednesday game, but Wednesdays first one was soo close that I do wonder if VAR would've just given the attacker the benefit of doubt as it was soo close that you just can’t really tell.
But yeah the Newcastle goal was definitely offside so shouldn’t of stood. Although the fact is that these officiating mistakes do just level themselves out after time, which this game shows, so not having VAR in a way does kinda still make it fair…
The Everton game well as the replays and lines show, he was offside and there was daylight between the lines, so you can’t really criticise VAR for getting that one correct. And to do with your point about Cardiff, it’s just the luck of the draw I guess, as it just goes back to that point of should you be less fair for some games because overs can’t be more fair?
And for the Liverpool game, well that VAR was a lot more interesting. As the Salah goal was completely correct under the LOTG, as Salah hadn’t intervened with play when the defensive player had intentionally played the ball, it pretty much “resets” the offside. So that’s not VAR or the officials mistakes/issue, but something that IFAB may wanna change or sort out in the LOTG, as a very similar incident happened a few years back in that nations league final between Spain and France where it was a very similar incident it’s just under the current LOTG the goal had to stand like this one.
And for the Wolves offside incident, I’ve already discussed it in another thread, but it’s again not VAR’s fault but simply whoever’s in charge of the cameras and angles their given. It’s just the major difference between this incident and the Salah one, is that the Salah one was spot on under the LOTG for everyone, whilst this one the AR messed up on by giving the offside when as replays which have been released today have shown, he clearly wasn’t. So this is just an incident which they need to make sure VAR’s more prepared for and gets better angles for so that this won’t happen again. [Post edited 8 Jan 2023 23:35]
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| FA Cup VAR question? on 02:48 - Jan 9 with 1720 views | DorsetIan |
Of course it’s not right to use it in some games but not others. It’s ridiculous.
But everything about VAR is ridiculous. The whole thing is a massive ‘f*ck you’ to football fans. |  |
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| FA Cup VAR question? on 06:49 - Jan 9 with 1661 views | solent_toffee |
| FA Cup VAR question? on 02:48 - Jan 9 by DorsetIan |
Of course it’s not right to use it in some games but not others. It’s ridiculous.
But everything about VAR is ridiculous. The whole thing is a massive ‘f*ck you’ to football fans. |
100% this. How can you apply a variation of the rules in the same competition. And then take another step further and have a caveat of the rules at Anfield on Saturday.
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| FA Cup VAR question? on 08:40 - Jan 9 with 1591 views | City_boy |
In response to SFC_Ref above, where he/she states,
" the fairest thing to do would be to have it at every FA Cup game, but as we all know that’s not possible"
It was possible at West From v Brighton last season, where they had VAR, but wasn't used because of licensing.
We also saw the weekend that the use of VAR was different (e.g. Explanations for. decisions) was different to that of Premiership games. Even the number of cameras used varies
It should be used across all games or not at all, and there should be consistency in how it is used.
On the general use of VAR. If the control room can't make a decision after viewing it 3 times, they should stick with original decision as it is therefore NOT clear and obvious. We don't need 4-5 min reviews. [Post edited 9 Jan 2023 8:54]
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| FA Cup VAR question? on 14:35 - Jan 9 with 1514 views | SFC_Referee |
| FA Cup VAR question? on 08:40 - Jan 9 by City_boy |
In response to SFC_Ref above, where he/she states,
" the fairest thing to do would be to have it at every FA Cup game, but as we all know that’s not possible"
It was possible at West From v Brighton last season, where they had VAR, but wasn't used because of licensing.
We also saw the weekend that the use of VAR was different (e.g. Explanations for. decisions) was different to that of Premiership games. Even the number of cameras used varies
It should be used across all games or not at all, and there should be consistency in how it is used.
On the general use of VAR. If the control room can't make a decision after viewing it 3 times, they should stick with original decision as it is therefore NOT clear and obvious. We don't need 4-5 min reviews. [Post edited 9 Jan 2023 8:54]
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Yeah you’ve got a fair few points there, as like you said it could’ve been used at the West Brom game, it’s just wasn’t as they’re not in the prem anymore.
But like what Nick said before, the main thing that sells it for me is that there really isn’t any benefits to just removing some games with VAR, with non having it (so everyone’s got the same issues), rather than just having it at certain places meaning that some have the issues whilst others do not.
As for example goal line tech, it’s used in the championship and prem, but not in all the other leagues below, so in a way what your suggesting is almost like saying that as we can’t have it in some of the FA Cup games hosted at teams below championship level, we shouldn’t have it in the prem or championship ones ether, and you could even say the same for the leagues overall and not just the cups.
Although what is it you mean by VAR usage was different this weekend?
And for your point about limiting replays shown, you get a few issues there as sometimes it can take a while for the VAR to get access to the angles they require to see an incident clearer, hence why a lot of the stoppage isn’t just them but also all the stuff is between. But even then all what your suggesting does is cause more pressure for the officials and will probably just lead to more mistakes around it all as they could only look at it like 4 times.
But still yeah I do get where your coming from and can certainly see your points you’ve made for everything you’ve said, it’s just unfortunately a lot of this stuff doesn’t have a black and white answer like what most of the controversy is around VAR and it’s decisions.
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