| Government Cuts in Wales on 16:45 - Jun 15 with 1008 views | SullutaCreturned |
Why do the devolved countries have bigger public sectors than England? (by percentage I assume?) and why don't our governments do something about our bloated public sector?
Oh I forgot, the Senedd did, they chose to increase their number.
No wonder we are broke. |  | |  |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 20:48 - Jun 15 with 944 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 16:45 - Jun 15 by SullutaCreturned |
Why do the devolved countries have bigger public sectors than England? (by percentage I assume?) and why don't our governments do something about our bloated public sector?
Oh I forgot, the Senedd did, they chose to increase their number.
No wonder we are broke. |
Moving civil service jobs out to the nations is the cheapest way to conduct business.
Provides much needed jobs after heavy industry decline.
Shows the value that London’s union can bring.
Only an idiot would think its a bad thing. |  |
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| Government Cuts in Wales on 11:26 - Jun 16 with 863 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 16:45 - Jun 15 by SullutaCreturned |
Why do the devolved countries have bigger public sectors than England? (by percentage I assume?) and why don't our governments do something about our bloated public sector?
Oh I forgot, the Senedd did, they chose to increase their number.
No wonder we are broke. |
This is what the Senedd says.
The Senedd has had the same number of Members for 25 years, despite an increase in its powers.
The Senedd now possesses full law-making powers and the ability to raise taxes in Wales, which it could not do when it was created in 1999.
More work more jobs. The number of Westminster MP from Wales was reduced I recall reading.
Edit [The Act determined that Wales would have 32 constituencies following the review, a reduction from the current 40.] [Post edited 16 Jun 14:41]
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| Government Cuts in Wales on 15:26 - Jun 16 with 825 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 20:48 - Jun 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Moving civil service jobs out to the nations is the cheapest way to conduct business.
Provides much needed jobs after heavy industry decline.
Shows the value that London’s union can bring.
Only an idiot would think its a bad thing. |
The statement was the devolved countries have bigger public sectors, not that there's UK public sector in the devolved countries.
Maybe that means Wales has more public sector jobs per head than England? We certainly have more LGA's per head.
We have one MS for every 36000 people, roughly, Westminster has one MP for every 103,000 people, we have 3 times as many in our "parliament" per head than the whole UK.
I'm not sure you fully comprehended what was said. | | | |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 18:56 - Jun 16 with 772 views | johnlangy |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 15:26 - Jun 16 by SullutaCreturned |
The statement was the devolved countries have bigger public sectors, not that there's UK public sector in the devolved countries.
Maybe that means Wales has more public sector jobs per head than England? We certainly have more LGA's per head.
We have one MS for every 36000 people, roughly, Westminster has one MP for every 103,000 people, we have 3 times as many in our "parliament" per head than the whole UK.
I'm not sure you fully comprehended what was said. |
From the little I know Wales will not be over represented with 96 Senedd members. I just checked a few other countries.
Scotland is one member per 42,000 population, NI is one member per 21,500 and I picked Lithuania just to try for a bit of balance outside the UK and that country has one member per 20,600 population.
France as another big country population wise has one elected member of parliament for every 118,000 people and Germany has one for every 132,000.
The logic appears to be that you need less members proportionately for larger populations. | | | |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 19:01 - Jun 16 with 765 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 18:56 - Jun 16 by johnlangy |
From the little I know Wales will not be over represented with 96 Senedd members. I just checked a few other countries.
Scotland is one member per 42,000 population, NI is one member per 21,500 and I picked Lithuania just to try for a bit of balance outside the UK and that country has one member per 20,600 population.
France as another big country population wise has one elected member of parliament for every 118,000 people and Germany has one for every 132,000.
The logic appears to be that you need less members proportionately for larger populations. |
That's the logic? Maybe it's not logical, specially when you consider other countries have fulky devolved powers or independence so their politicians have more work to do.
We'd need more civil servants to actually do the work not more MS's.
Politicians, even more so in small countries, seem to think the answer to the problem is always more politicians! | | | |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 12:02 - Jun 17 with 671 views | johnlangy |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 19:01 - Jun 16 by SullutaCreturned |
That's the logic? Maybe it's not logical, specially when you consider other countries have fulky devolved powers or independence so their politicians have more work to do.
We'd need more civil servants to actually do the work not more MS's.
Politicians, even more so in small countries, seem to think the answer to the problem is always more politicians! |
I included Scotland and NI as they are fairly comparable through not being Independent.
Some time ago I was reading about what work a Senedd member has on their plate. I hadn't considered select committees. In Westminster there are 26 of these so if we assume the Senedd does around half (pure guess) of the work of a fully Independent government then there'd be thirteen select committees. Each of these in Westminster have around eleven members. So that means the thirteen Senedd committees would have 143 places to fill. Which means half the members would be on two committees and half on three.
In Westminster to populate their committees they have 650 MP's to cover 286 places.
From the little i've read about what a select committees does it sounds like a substantial of work.
Going back to the Lithuania comparison, their government presumably have the same number of departments as a larger country. So the amount of work needing doing would be comparable with the UK regardless of the fact that it's smaller than Wales. | | | |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 12:39 - Jun 17 with 663 views | Boundy |
No ones mention quality of who "represents " us I'd rather have qulaity over quantity any time , Every time I've watched the debates within the chamber its usually empty so where are they and what are they doing. | |
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| Government Cuts in Wales on 16:57 - Jun 17 with 606 views | johnlangy |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 12:39 - Jun 17 by Boundy |
No ones mention quality of who "represents " us I'd rather have qulaity over quantity any time , Every time I've watched the debates within the chamber its usually empty so where are they and what are they doing. |
The HOC chamber is empty most of the time also.
And I agree with you about the quality of who represents us. That applies in Westminster just as it does in the Senedd. But the members of the Senedd are voted in by us and can be voted out by us. We can do nothing about the quality in Westminster. | | | |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 17:18 - Jun 17 with 578 views | Dr_Winston |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 12:39 - Jun 17 by Boundy |
No ones mention quality of who "represents " us I'd rather have qulaity over quantity any time , Every time I've watched the debates within the chamber its usually empty so where are they and what are they doing. |
Have half as many but pay them twice as much. The kind of quality person we need running the country won't get out of bed for £76,000 a year. |  |
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| Government Cuts in Wales on 17:51 - Jun 17 with 558 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Government Cuts in Wales on 12:02 - Jun 17 by johnlangy |
I included Scotland and NI as they are fairly comparable through not being Independent.
Some time ago I was reading about what work a Senedd member has on their plate. I hadn't considered select committees. In Westminster there are 26 of these so if we assume the Senedd does around half (pure guess) of the work of a fully Independent government then there'd be thirteen select committees. Each of these in Westminster have around eleven members. So that means the thirteen Senedd committees would have 143 places to fill. Which means half the members would be on two committees and half on three.
In Westminster to populate their committees they have 650 MP's to cover 286 places.
From the little i've read about what a select committees does it sounds like a substantial of work.
Going back to the Lithuania comparison, their government presumably have the same number of departments as a larger country. So the amount of work needing doing would be comparable with the UK regardless of the fact that it's smaller than Wales. |
There are currently 12 in Wales.
Select committees are part and parcel of being an elected representative.
Lithuania is fully independent so has more work to do than the Senedd. | | | |
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