| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 17:18 - Jun 27 with 1090 views | dm97 |
| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 13:53 - Jun 27 by Northernr |
Age, style of play, position, coming from a league that isn't physical or intense... |
Feel like we’re talking past each other a bit here - it’s the same profile I agree, I just mean because one guy failed to adapt doesn’t mean another can’t. Either way, low risk. It’s not £5m on your transformational CM is it |  | |  |
| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 17:23 - Jun 27 with 1058 views | Northernr |
| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 17:18 - Jun 27 by dm97 |
Feel like we’re talking past each other a bit here - it’s the same profile I agree, I just mean because one guy failed to adapt doesn’t mean another can’t. Either way, low risk. It’s not £5m on your transformational CM is it |
Agree. |  | | |
| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 18:11 - Jun 27 with 927 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 17:23 - Jun 27 by Northernr |
Agree. |
I have a feeling that we won't be seeing a regular 1st team lineup next season, it will be more of a rotational team in order to minimise injuries to cope with so many 3 game weeks, something that was mentioned in another thread saying our 3rd game results were below the mean. |  |
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| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 08:35 - Jun 28 with 548 views | francisbowles |
| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 15:58 - Jun 27 by Hunterhoop |
How does that follow Nourry’s game model he’s been so desperate to implement and adamant needs to be in place throughout the club? No side at the club played a back 3 last season.
Again, not saying it can’t or shouldn’t happen as it would get us to two up top.
But, what is the point in having loads of wide forwards (Smyth, Dembele, Chair, Poku, Kolli) if we’re not going to play with any and just have an 8/10 and 2 forwards.
If we switched to a 3412 (basically 352 in old money), it doesn’t align with any of the squad building Nourry did last season, indeed renders some of it useless.
And if we change the “game model” after one year, what is the point in having one?! |
Agree with the logic of your post Hunter but this manager is reported as liking to play various systems when he feels they are needed.
I also think we have changed formations under Marti but probably only late in games when protecting or chasing a result.
I therefore believe that, ideally, we should build a squad capable of playing any formation, so that we can rotate when needed. It may be our best choice to improve our three game weeks and give us an opportunity to have a bigger chance of changing games that are going wrong, for example Burnley at home and Swansea away last season. |  | | |
| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 09:38 - Jun 28 with 467 views | Hunterhoop |
| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 08:35 - Jun 28 by francisbowles |
Agree with the logic of your post Hunter but this manager is reported as liking to play various systems when he feels they are needed.
I also think we have changed formations under Marti but probably only late in games when protecting or chasing a result.
I therefore believe that, ideally, we should build a squad capable of playing any formation, so that we can rotate when needed. It may be our best choice to improve our three game weeks and give us an opportunity to have a bigger chance of changing games that are going wrong, for example Burnley at home and Swansea away last season. |
I agree.
I would be happy us playing a 352 or a 442, as I am currently interested in us playing 2 up top to see how it goes. I also fully subscribe to the mantra of match your approach the opposition. We should be able to adapt to negate their strengths or take advantage of their weaknesses. This is professional, competitive sport. Of course you should be able to do that. I’m pleased the new Head Coach thinks like that.
The point I’m making is this all flies in the face of Nourry’s “Game Model”. He’s been at pains to say we must and will have a single game model across all the teams in the club, U11s up. That appears to be a mid-block 433 (or minor variation thereof). This was enforced and reiterated throughout the club. There are pros to it. But the point is the DOF considered it critical.
IF we now play a different system, what does that mean for the game model? Will every team change? If so, is the game model changing because the new head coach wants to play a different way? Therefore it’s not a DOF led strategy, its new coach gets what new coach wants. Or does Nourry think he had the game model wrong last year and we should change it? Possibly based on hearing from Stephan? Not ideal to implement a game model and ditch it after 12 months, I would say. It also is financially disastrous. He has been recruiting for one game model and now we’re playing another? That’s not strategic. That is the same problem when we recruit for one manager who likes approach A and then we sack him and recruit for approach B for the next manager. It’s no different.
And if the game model remains across the club, but Stephan has licence to play differently in the first team, how is this preparing the youth players for the set up. Equally, why didn’t Cifuentes have that licence?
Personally, I would be very surprised if the game model changed or Stephan was granted licence to play 3412 or 442. I don’t think our signings this summer are for those shapes. I think they (assuming Poku goes ahead) are for our existing game model. I can’t see Nourry ditching his game model this soon; it would be a tacit admission of error/failure, which I can’t see him making yet. If he were to ditch it, questions should be asked.
However, all my posts are in relation to people think or suggesting we will change shape this season.
I think it is completely incongruous to be an advocate of Nourry AND be happy we’re changing the system the first team play. It means either changing the game model entirely across the club (indicating Nourry got it wrong last year) or having disconnect across the youth set up and first team, which is not good. |  | | |
| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 09:56 - Jun 29 with 168 views | francisbowles |
| Kealey Adamson - Welcome on 09:38 - Jun 28 by Hunterhoop |
I agree.
I would be happy us playing a 352 or a 442, as I am currently interested in us playing 2 up top to see how it goes. I also fully subscribe to the mantra of match your approach the opposition. We should be able to adapt to negate their strengths or take advantage of their weaknesses. This is professional, competitive sport. Of course you should be able to do that. I’m pleased the new Head Coach thinks like that.
The point I’m making is this all flies in the face of Nourry’s “Game Model”. He’s been at pains to say we must and will have a single game model across all the teams in the club, U11s up. That appears to be a mid-block 433 (or minor variation thereof). This was enforced and reiterated throughout the club. There are pros to it. But the point is the DOF considered it critical.
IF we now play a different system, what does that mean for the game model? Will every team change? If so, is the game model changing because the new head coach wants to play a different way? Therefore it’s not a DOF led strategy, its new coach gets what new coach wants. Or does Nourry think he had the game model wrong last year and we should change it? Possibly based on hearing from Stephan? Not ideal to implement a game model and ditch it after 12 months, I would say. It also is financially disastrous. He has been recruiting for one game model and now we’re playing another? That’s not strategic. That is the same problem when we recruit for one manager who likes approach A and then we sack him and recruit for approach B for the next manager. It’s no different.
And if the game model remains across the club, but Stephan has licence to play differently in the first team, how is this preparing the youth players for the set up. Equally, why didn’t Cifuentes have that licence?
Personally, I would be very surprised if the game model changed or Stephan was granted licence to play 3412 or 442. I don’t think our signings this summer are for those shapes. I think they (assuming Poku goes ahead) are for our existing game model. I can’t see Nourry ditching his game model this soon; it would be a tacit admission of error/failure, which I can’t see him making yet. If he were to ditch it, questions should be asked.
However, all my posts are in relation to people think or suggesting we will change shape this season.
I think it is completely incongruous to be an advocate of Nourry AND be happy we’re changing the system the first team play. It means either changing the game model entirely across the club (indicating Nourry got it wrong last year) or having disconnect across the youth set up and first team, which is not good. |
Sorry Hunter, I was at a festival yesterday so I couldn't reply. Thank you for your very detailed post.
FWIW, I don't think we will, nor should, tear up the game model. We hopefully learn as we go along and are not afraid to experiment a bit and make adjustments where necessary.
The model seems to be ok and we may be basing our recruitment on it. We do seem to have moved the emphasis a bit from young promising foreign players to players with league experience.
We have woken up to the need for practicality and I too believe we need a bit more of that with first team line ups and tactics. | | | |
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