| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:07 - Sep 26 with 2061 views | SullutaCreturned |
This is exactly why minimum wage needs to rise and we need to stop using Universal credit to top up wages.
Then we need to be stricter on who can work. It's about finding the job people can do rather than letting people say no to everything.
There are millions coming through who think doing nothing and letting the rest of us pay for it is a viable choice. It's about time they were disabused of that notion. |  | |  |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:27 - Sep 26 with 2046 views | builthjack |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:07 - Sep 26 by SullutaCreturned |
This is exactly why minimum wage needs to rise and we need to stop using Universal credit to top up wages.
Then we need to be stricter on who can work. It's about finding the job people can do rather than letting people say no to everything.
There are millions coming through who think doing nothing and letting the rest of us pay for it is a viable choice. It's about time they were disabused of that notion. |
Absolutely. Minimum wage should be £15.
Any fit person who doesn’t work should be rounded up to sweep the streets, clean up etc from 8 until 5 Monday to Friday. Give them half hour for lunch.
When they earn that £637.50 a week surely they will,have some pride and think this ain’t so bad. |  |
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| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:28 - Sep 26 with 2046 views | Gwyn737 |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:07 - Sep 26 by SullutaCreturned |
This is exactly why minimum wage needs to rise and we need to stop using Universal credit to top up wages.
Then we need to be stricter on who can work. It's about finding the job people can do rather than letting people say no to everything.
There are millions coming through who think doing nothing and letting the rest of us pay for it is a viable choice. It's about time they were disabused of that notion. |
The figure of universal credit payed to those in work is around 65% of the total an£ rising. Quickly.
Taxpayers propping up big business. | | | |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:36 - Sep 26 with 2042 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:28 - Sep 26 by Gwyn737 |
The figure of universal credit payed to those in work is around 65% of the total an£ rising. Quickly.
Taxpayers propping up big business. |
And yet some on the right say increasing wages will cost jobs but if we don't eventually people will give up working because somebody else will pay and then what?
Working used to be about personal pride as well as paying your way. Now there's a lot of people who seem proud they leech off others. | | | |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:58 - Sep 26 with 2015 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:28 - Sep 26 by Gwyn737 |
The figure of universal credit payed to those in work is around 65% of the total an£ rising. Quickly.
Taxpayers propping up big business. |
Correct, Gordon Brown couldn't see it coming when he scaled up in work benefits. |  |
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| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 18:25 - Sep 26 with 1992 views | Gwyn737 |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:58 - Sep 26 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Correct, Gordon Brown couldn't see it coming when he scaled up in work benefits. |
And yet it’s been left for a quarter of a century 🤷🏻 | | | |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 19:00 - Sep 26 with 1969 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 18:25 - Sep 26 by Gwyn737 |
And yet it’s been left for a quarter of a century 🤷🏻 |
It's almost as if politicians on all sides have been busy making their mates richer? | | | |
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| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 19:15 - Sep 26 with 1959 views | majorraglan |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:58 - Sep 26 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Correct, Gordon Brown couldn't see it coming when he scaled up in work benefits. |
I think Gordon Brown’s intention was to support the most vulnerable and worst off, but like a lot of well intentioned things it’s gone awry.
People are playing the system for their own ends, I know people who work 16 hours because it doesn’t impact on their benefits when they are perfectly capable of doing a full 37.5 hours like a lot of us do.
One of the problems we have is that politicians and their advisors who form policy just haven’t got a clue about what’s going on in the real world. | | | |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 19:22 - Sep 26 with 1954 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 18:25 - Sep 26 by Gwyn737 |
And yet it’s been left for a quarter of a century 🤷🏻 |
Yes, it's now become difficult to address. You'd have to raise the minimum wage, cut welfare and Corporation Tax and get all the other variables right to balance the impacts.
The risk is that small businesses that employ most people in the UK are not all profitable; business rates, employment taxes, energy costs for business *etc. have all risen sharply in recent years.
To undo all this you'd have to make some significant changes to the tax code which is quite risky as it is now very complicated, we are rather boxed into a corner after incremental tax rises have been eating up the room for change. We need someone who is particularly brave and very clever to reset the whole system. That is what is so frustrating about Starmer he has a big majority to do difficult things. [Post edited 27 Sep 9:58]
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| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 19:55 - Sep 26 with 1916 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 19:22 - Sep 26 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Yes, it's now become difficult to address. You'd have to raise the minimum wage, cut welfare and Corporation Tax and get all the other variables right to balance the impacts.
The risk is that small businesses that employ most people in the UK are not all profitable; business rates, employment taxes, energy costs for business *etc. have all risen sharply in recent years.
To undo all this you'd have to make some significant changes to the tax code which is quite risky as it is now very complicated, we are rather boxed into a corner after incremental tax rises have been eating up the room for change. We need someone who is particularly brave and very clever to reset the whole system. That is what is so frustrating about Starmer he has a big majority to do difficult things. [Post edited 27 Sep 9:58]
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Yes braise the minimum wage.
Simplify the tax system.
Overhaul the tax system so there's not the loopholes Blair deliberately allowed so corporations can avoid tax.
Surely there's a lot that can be done but there needs to be the will to do it. | | | |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 20:18 - Sep 26 with 1900 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 19:55 - Sep 26 by SullutaCreturned |
Yes braise the minimum wage.
Simplify the tax system.
Overhaul the tax system so there's not the loopholes Blair deliberately allowed so corporations can avoid tax.
Surely there's a lot that can be done but there needs to be the will to do it. |
I agree.......and the brain to do it, you do not want people with a certain ideological view, you need someone with enough objectivity to re balance the system.
I fear Torsten Bell will just tweak what we have now, a tax code that has become unhelpful and does not lead to sustainable improvements. | |
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| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 22:03 - Sep 26 with 1837 views | majorraglan |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 20:18 - Sep 26 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I agree.......and the brain to do it, you do not want people with a certain ideological view, you need someone with enough objectivity to re balance the system.
I fear Torsten Bell will just tweak what we have now, a tax code that has become unhelpful and does not lead to sustainable improvements. |
Get some really top accountants and experts together to form some kind of national working party several working parties and give them the brief of simplifying the tax code, close loop holes, even the burden out, encourage and reward enterprise and see what they come up with.
Got to be worth a shout. | | | |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 16:20 - Sep 27 with 1247 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 22:03 - Sep 26 by majorraglan |
Get some really top accountants and experts together to form some kind of national working party several working parties and give them the brief of simplifying the tax code, close loop holes, even the burden out, encourage and reward enterprise and see what they come up with.
Got to be worth a shout. |
That was why I referenced Blair, he had top accountancy firms to advise his tax changes but they then wrote the loopholes in the big firms used to help their rich clients.
The government has its own tax experts, they should be able to re-write the eules themselves and remove loopholes, if not then they are not fit for purpose. | | | |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:50 - Sep 27 with 1168 views | majorraglan |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 16:20 - Sep 27 by SullutaCreturned |
That was why I referenced Blair, he had top accountancy firms to advise his tax changes but they then wrote the loopholes in the big firms used to help their rich clients.
The government has its own tax experts, they should be able to re-write the eules themselves and remove loopholes, if not then they are not fit for purpose. |
I remember Blair doing that. The government has its own experts, but they may have a limited perspective based on their role, so having a wider perspective may make things better and fairer. It’s just a thought because politicians and their advisors haven’t exactly done a sterling job over the last 40 years. | | | |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 18:08 - Sep 27 with 1143 views | Gwyn737 |
Some really sensible points here imo.
I’d only add that on top we need to properly address the housing issue too. It’s crazy and there’s no sign of improvement.
It’s holding young people back. | | | |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 20:08 - Sep 27 with 1073 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 17:50 - Sep 27 by majorraglan |
I remember Blair doing that. The government has its own experts, but they may have a limited perspective based on their role, so having a wider perspective may make things better and fairer. It’s just a thought because politicians and their advisors haven’t exactly done a sterling job over the last 40 years. |
That limited perspective may even include them looking to their own futures and writing their own loopholes in which they can take with them to the accountancy firms when they leave the civilservice. | | | |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 22:15 - Sep 27 with 1020 views | majorraglan |
| Balance between net contributors and net recipients on 18:08 - Sep 27 by Gwyn737 |
Some really sensible points here imo.
I’d only add that on top we need to properly address the housing issue too. It’s crazy and there’s no sign of improvement.
It’s holding young people back. |
That’s a fair point.
The governments commitment to build more houses is much needed, but I think the 1.5m target is very optimistic and there are significant hurdles which need to be overcome for that goal.
I’m not sure that the houses the big developers are building are affordable, one of the major developers has a new development down our way and the starting price for the smallest houses is £230,000 - that’s about 7 times the gross median wage in Wales.
Some of the big companies have massive “land banks” - sites with planning permission which are just being sat on and not developed. Maybe government should look at changing the law to prevent this and to ensure sites are developed within x amount of time or the planning permission lapses.
There are also a lot of empty properties some of which have fallen in to disrepair, why not try to support young people through the buying and renovation process through grants which are low interest, but have to be repaid. Another option would be to give members of the public a 1 off tax break to buy, renovate and sell a property by enhancing the CGT allowance. I appreciate this may potentially put more wealth in the hands of the rich but if people were given an incentive to renovate and then sell a property, it could kick start building and the supply chain, if expenditure has to be evidenced then it could reduce cash in hand work as receipts would be required etc etc. A one off opportunity for people so serial developers can’t benefit could do a lot of good. Also increasing the council tax due on empty properties could encourage people to move property on. | | | |
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