| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:43 - Nov 17 with 1877 views | Murph75 |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:30 - Nov 17 by Phil_S |
Problem is you read last weeks update as the total update of what is happening - as we explained back at the very last forum, some of what happens needs to remain behind closed doors to retain the confidentiality of discussions and you cannot play everything out in the public domain.
As was accepted widely after the last forum people understood why this should be the case and will do so next week as we work through what will be the Trust input/influence into the club because - everyone needs to remember - as we stand today the voting rights stand at more than 75% for our majority owners, something that should be remembered is not the fault of the Trust so quite why the criticism is aimed at the people who are trying to work through this mess is beyond me |
You really can't understand why people are criticising the trust? Sums it all up really. |  | |  |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:46 - Nov 17 with 1865 views | waynekerr55 |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:43 - Nov 17 by Murph75 |
You really can't understand why people are criticising the trust? Sums it all up really. |
That's a bit of an obtuse statement.
They can't be criticised for being pragmatic in negotiations, nor for finding themselves below the 75% voting rights due to the actions of Gonzo, Creosote, Edward and the rest.
The HC stuff, then yeah, of course. |  |
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| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:48 - Nov 17 with 1862 views | Phil_S |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:43 - Nov 17 by Murph75 |
You really can't understand why people are criticising the trust? Sums it all up really. |
Think this but sums it up so I will say it again
as we stand today the voting rights stand at more than 75% for our majority owners, something that should be remembered is not the fault of the Trust so quite why the criticism is aimed at the people who are trying to work through this mess is beyond me
There is much that the Trust has got wrong but you seem to be looking to us for a magic solution to every problem when the reality is some people have already made part of that impossible to achieve. Its a bit like waiting in a pack of cards for an ace to go with the one you have to make a pair when someone has already played the other three.
Tell me what you would like to know |  | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:49 - Nov 17 with 1848 views | Eilian |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 20:46 - Nov 17 by max936 |
"The excellent film Jack to a King" seems quite a lot of us bought that one me included, little did we realise the agenda that was behind it  |
Holly sh!t! Never thought of that! |  | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:51 - Nov 17 with 1839 views | morningstar |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:40 - Nov 17 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Some intelligent fans did try pointing out what the purpose of the film was at the time.
Of course, any one who dared question Saint Huw back then was trolling. |
Meanwhile, back in the real world it was slated on here from the time it was released!!! |  |
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| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:52 - Nov 17 with 1835 views | Murph75 |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:48 - Nov 17 by Phil_S |
Think this but sums it up so I will say it again
as we stand today the voting rights stand at more than 75% for our majority owners, something that should be remembered is not the fault of the Trust so quite why the criticism is aimed at the people who are trying to work through this mess is beyond me
There is much that the Trust has got wrong but you seem to be looking to us for a magic solution to every problem when the reality is some people have already made part of that impossible to achieve. Its a bit like waiting in a pack of cards for an ace to go with the one you have to make a pair when someone has already played the other three.
Tell me what you would like to know |
Why did the trust agree that Huw Jenkins should stay in role?
What is being done to rid the directors box of ex directors on match days?
What's being done about the perks stilling being received by the likes of JVZ and Dineen.
What's happening with the planned purchase of the stadium.
What the plans for the upcoming transfer window.
How's that? | | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:59 - Nov 17 with 1790 views | Phil_S |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:52 - Nov 17 by Murph75 |
Why did the trust agree that Huw Jenkins should stay in role?
What is being done to rid the directors box of ex directors on match days?
What's being done about the perks stilling being received by the likes of JVZ and Dineen.
What's happening with the planned purchase of the stadium.
What the plans for the upcoming transfer window.
How's that? |
I will do my best
Why did the trust agree that Huw Jenkins should stay in role?
I'm not sure we agreed anything, the positions were negotiated as part of the deal that saw the sale of shares take place. Even if they hadn't been the 75% voting rights referred to earlier meant that we don't need to agree it it can happen without our input thanks to the actions of others.
What is being done to rid the directors box of ex directors on match days?
Happy to state that we completely disagree with this as a process as we stated at our public forum just a few weeks back. As I understand it at the moment some have agreed with the purchasers that they are entitled to these (again as part of the sale terms they agreed) so we continue to push as our view on this does not differ to yours I don't believe
What's being done about the perks stilling being received by the likes of JVZ and Dineen.
Again, no secrets, we have asked the club to ensure that the tickets gained are above board. If they are being gained for example in the right way (no corners cut) with the relevant memberships then that is one thing, if they aren't then the process should stop. for the LD ones I assume you mean the tickets advertised on the BVS website, my understanding from enquiries is that these are tickets purchased by the company in the correct manner
What's happening with the planned purchase of the stadium.
I am afraid I have no update on that at the present moment in time
What the plans for the upcoming transfer window.
To strengthen the squad to a level where we can retain our Premier League status. I won't be discussing transfer targets or such or the level of budget available but suffice to say at the moment we have been invited to gain a greater understanding of this next week at some point but again the outcome of that particular discussion should not be placed in the public domain.
How's that?
It was very good | | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:01 - Nov 17 with 1780 views | Phil_S |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:51 - Nov 17 by morningstar |
Meanwhile, back in the real world it was slated on here from the time it was released!!! |
In fairness Jack to a King was a reasonable effort, nowhere near the quality of the BBC programme but a good effort.
Shame it missed out so many key people, added some women in to make the balance and just made things up in places but that one has been done to death... | | | |
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| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:05 - Nov 17 with 1759 views | Swanzay |
I take it Phil that as you didn't respond to my question regarding Bob ,he has no clue who Paul was prior to his appointment, just like the rest of us?
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| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:06 - Nov 17 with 1749 views | NeathJack |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:01 - Nov 17 by Phil_S |
In fairness Jack to a King was a reasonable effort, nowhere near the quality of the BBC programme but a good effort.
Shame it missed out so many key people, added some women in to make the balance and just made things up in places but that one has been done to death... |
And cost so much, for some reason. |  | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:10 - Nov 17 with 1730 views | Phil_S |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:05 - Nov 17 by Swanzay |
I take it Phil that as you didn't respond to my question regarding Bob ,he has no clue who Paul was prior to his appointment, just like the rest of us?
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Sorry I missed that question, I don't know the answer I'm afraid but I think it would probably be safe to assume that the manager didn't know him (opinion rather than fact)
As with any member of the management team, he can only be judged on results as Bob is at this moment | | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:10 - Nov 17 with 1729 views | Murph75 |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:59 - Nov 17 by Phil_S |
I will do my best
Why did the trust agree that Huw Jenkins should stay in role?
I'm not sure we agreed anything, the positions were negotiated as part of the deal that saw the sale of shares take place. Even if they hadn't been the 75% voting rights referred to earlier meant that we don't need to agree it it can happen without our input thanks to the actions of others.
What is being done to rid the directors box of ex directors on match days?
Happy to state that we completely disagree with this as a process as we stated at our public forum just a few weeks back. As I understand it at the moment some have agreed with the purchasers that they are entitled to these (again as part of the sale terms they agreed) so we continue to push as our view on this does not differ to yours I don't believe
What's being done about the perks stilling being received by the likes of JVZ and Dineen.
Again, no secrets, we have asked the club to ensure that the tickets gained are above board. If they are being gained for example in the right way (no corners cut) with the relevant memberships then that is one thing, if they aren't then the process should stop. for the LD ones I assume you mean the tickets advertised on the BVS website, my understanding from enquiries is that these are tickets purchased by the company in the correct manner
What's happening with the planned purchase of the stadium.
I am afraid I have no update on that at the present moment in time
What the plans for the upcoming transfer window.
To strengthen the squad to a level where we can retain our Premier League status. I won't be discussing transfer targets or such or the level of budget available but suffice to say at the moment we have been invited to gain a greater understanding of this next week at some point but again the outcome of that particular discussion should not be placed in the public domain.
How's that?
It was very good |
After recent events I'm not sure you're best placed for condescension.
Can't find the the quote about Jenkins. Basically it did state that the trust saw no reason why Jenkins should step down even though there is growing anger towards him.
So from reading in between the lines of what you've posted the supporters trust is about as useful as a chocolate tea pot. | | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:11 - Nov 17 with 1727 views | Phil_S |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:06 - Nov 17 by NeathJack |
And cost so much, for some reason. |
Well there were the thirty three takes it took to see if you really can have vodka on cornflakes... | | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:14 - Nov 17 with 1704 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:11 - Nov 17 by Phil_S |
Well there were the thirty three takes it took to see if you really can have vodka on cornflakes... |
I'm not sure why she thought saying that would do her aspirations of becoming a Z-list TV/Radio personality any good.
Someone at the club tried very hard to make her relevant, pointing the media in her direction for interviews or quotes around that time. |  |
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| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:14 - Nov 17 with 1709 views | Phil_S |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:10 - Nov 17 by Murph75 |
After recent events I'm not sure you're best placed for condescension.
Can't find the the quote about Jenkins. Basically it did state that the trust saw no reason why Jenkins should step down even though there is growing anger towards him.
So from reading in between the lines of what you've posted the supporters trust is about as useful as a chocolate tea pot. |
Ever get the damned if you do, damned if you don't position, I answered the questions you asked, nothing more, nothing less
If you can find the quote then I would like to see it definitely
Is the Supporters Trust useful? Yes, totally and still own 21% of the football club that has a significant part to play and monetary value. Does our vote count? Not really but I've done that twice already | | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:15 - Nov 17 with 1300 views | max936 |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:40 - Nov 17 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Some intelligent fans did try pointing out what the purpose of the film was at the time.
Of course, any one who dared question Saint Huw back then was trolling. |
Is that a dig at me and others or just me ?
Lots of people I've spoke to bought into it and lots of those people are deemed to be intelligent, I myself did question on here as to why important people who had massively contributed to where we were at the time of the film coming out were not mentioned in the Film both Managers and people who had worked tirelessly to turn the club around. |  |
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| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:16 - Nov 17 with 1294 views | Wingstandwood |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:59 - Nov 17 by Phil_S |
I will do my best
Why did the trust agree that Huw Jenkins should stay in role?
I'm not sure we agreed anything, the positions were negotiated as part of the deal that saw the sale of shares take place. Even if they hadn't been the 75% voting rights referred to earlier meant that we don't need to agree it it can happen without our input thanks to the actions of others.
What is being done to rid the directors box of ex directors on match days?
Happy to state that we completely disagree with this as a process as we stated at our public forum just a few weeks back. As I understand it at the moment some have agreed with the purchasers that they are entitled to these (again as part of the sale terms they agreed) so we continue to push as our view on this does not differ to yours I don't believe
What's being done about the perks stilling being received by the likes of JVZ and Dineen.
Again, no secrets, we have asked the club to ensure that the tickets gained are above board. If they are being gained for example in the right way (no corners cut) with the relevant memberships then that is one thing, if they aren't then the process should stop. for the LD ones I assume you mean the tickets advertised on the BVS website, my understanding from enquiries is that these are tickets purchased by the company in the correct manner
What's happening with the planned purchase of the stadium.
I am afraid I have no update on that at the present moment in time
What the plans for the upcoming transfer window.
To strengthen the squad to a level where we can retain our Premier League status. I won't be discussing transfer targets or such or the level of budget available but suffice to say at the moment we have been invited to gain a greater understanding of this next week at some point but again the outcome of that particular discussion should not be placed in the public domain.
How's that?
It was very good |
Not having any go at you (or SCST) whatsoever just being inquisitive about previous decision making/ruling the Trust had absolutely no involvement with.
Quote: "What is being done to rid the directors box of ex directors on match days?
Happy to state that we completely disagree with this as a process as we stated at our public forum just a few weeks back. As I understand it at the moment some have agreed with the purchasers that they are entitled to these (again as part of the sale terms they agreed) so we continue to push as our view on this does not differ to yours I don't believe".
So basically despite selling their shares in the most conniving, underhand, dirty, despicable and shameless of ways? The sell-outs have engineered for themselves terms and conditions where they can hold the title director or retain (for life?) director privilege? And the Trust is powerless to stop it?
If so? The organisation The North Bank Alliance is going to be on the warpath in the near future and I'd guess using 'non-diplomatic-Protest(s)'??? |  |
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| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:17 - Nov 17 with 1283 views | max936 |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 21:49 - Nov 17 by Eilian |
Holly sh!t! Never thought of that! |
Don't you start  | |
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| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:20 - Nov 17 with 1257 views | Loyal |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:16 - Nov 17 by Wingstandwood |
Not having any go at you (or SCST) whatsoever just being inquisitive about previous decision making/ruling the Trust had absolutely no involvement with.
Quote: "What is being done to rid the directors box of ex directors on match days?
Happy to state that we completely disagree with this as a process as we stated at our public forum just a few weeks back. As I understand it at the moment some have agreed with the purchasers that they are entitled to these (again as part of the sale terms they agreed) so we continue to push as our view on this does not differ to yours I don't believe".
So basically despite selling their shares in the most conniving, underhand, dirty, despicable and shameless of ways? The sell-outs have engineered for themselves terms and conditions where they can hold the title director or retain (for life?) director privilege? And the Trust is powerless to stop it?
If so? The organisation The North Bank Alliance is going to be on the warpath in the near future and I'd guess using 'non-diplomatic-Protest(s)'??? |
My view for what it is worth is this the way it will go and very very quickly. |  |
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| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:21 - Nov 17 with 1250 views | Phil_S |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:16 - Nov 17 by Wingstandwood |
Not having any go at you (or SCST) whatsoever just being inquisitive about previous decision making/ruling the Trust had absolutely no involvement with.
Quote: "What is being done to rid the directors box of ex directors on match days?
Happy to state that we completely disagree with this as a process as we stated at our public forum just a few weeks back. As I understand it at the moment some have agreed with the purchasers that they are entitled to these (again as part of the sale terms they agreed) so we continue to push as our view on this does not differ to yours I don't believe".
So basically despite selling their shares in the most conniving, underhand, dirty, despicable and shameless of ways? The sell-outs have engineered for themselves terms and conditions where they can hold the title director or retain (for life?) director privilege? And the Trust is powerless to stop it?
If so? The organisation The North Bank Alliance is going to be on the warpath in the near future and I'd guess using 'non-diplomatic-Protest(s)'??? |
So basically despite selling their shares in the most conniving, underhand, dirty, despicable and shameless of ways? The sell-outs have engineered for themselves terms and conditions where they can hold the title director or retain (for life?) director privilege? And the Trust is powerless to stop it?
I think it is the latter of the two, nobody has bestowed the title director on them but we have been informed that there have been directors box privileges agreed between the majority owners and some sellers (am yet to discover if this is all)
As for powerless to stop it, that remains really to be seen as we have raised the concerns and the recommended remedies, if they are ignored then I guess the answer sadly has to be yes
I guess its only right to add that both HJ and MM are directors in their own right due to their retaining shareholding | | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:25 - Nov 17 with 1234 views | swancity |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:14 - Nov 17 by Phil_S |
Ever get the damned if you do, damned if you don't position, I answered the questions you asked, nothing more, nothing less
If you can find the quote then I would like to see it definitely
Is the Supporters Trust useful? Yes, totally and still own 21% of the football club that has a significant part to play and monetary value. Does our vote count? Not really but I've done that twice already |
With the fighting spirit and determination of an earth worm, the Trust are too weak to do anything. I think theyre history for many reasons but any credibility they had has gone. May be gone for good. | |
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| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:25 - Nov 17 with 1234 views | morningstar |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:14 - Nov 17 by Phil_S |
Ever get the damned if you do, damned if you don't position, I answered the questions you asked, nothing more, nothing less
If you can find the quote then I would like to see it definitely
Is the Supporters Trust useful? Yes, totally and still own 21% of the football club that has a significant part to play and monetary value. Does our vote count? Not really but I've done that twice already |
I have a question too ask if if i may Phil. Can you confirm that that the £38558 that Huw Cooze received in payment from SCFC during the 2015/16 season was for remuneration for loss of earnings, and expenses only, or was his his salary as SD and SLO paid on top of that figure? Because i have been informed that the two are separate? | |
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| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:28 - Nov 17 with 1216 views | Phil_S |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:25 - Nov 17 by morningstar |
I have a question too ask if if i may Phil. Can you confirm that that the £38558 that Huw Cooze received in payment from SCFC during the 2015/16 season was for remuneration for loss of earnings, and expenses only, or was his his salary as SD and SLO paid on top of that figure? Because i have been informed that the two are separate? |
Can I just clarify that one, are you asking if he was paid more than the figure quoted or was the figure quoted inclusive of everything? | | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:29 - Nov 17 with 1202 views | Murph75 |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:14 - Nov 17 by Phil_S |
Ever get the damned if you do, damned if you don't position, I answered the questions you asked, nothing more, nothing less
If you can find the quote then I would like to see it definitely
Is the Supporters Trust useful? Yes, totally and still own 21% of the football club that has a significant part to play and monetary value. Does our vote count? Not really but I've done that twice already |
I find you arrogance a little disconcerting. When the club is fighting for it's very soul you appear aloof and disengaging supporters like myself.
Thank you for attempting to answer my questions. Just a shame you couldn't have been a little more dignified when doing so. | | | |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:31 - Nov 17 with 1190 views | max936 |
| Phil Sumbler speaks of betrayal, hope in ESPN article on 22:21 - Nov 17 by Phil_S |
So basically despite selling their shares in the most conniving, underhand, dirty, despicable and shameless of ways? The sell-outs have engineered for themselves terms and conditions where they can hold the title director or retain (for life?) director privilege? And the Trust is powerless to stop it?
I think it is the latter of the two, nobody has bestowed the title director on them but we have been informed that there have been directors box privileges agreed between the majority owners and some sellers (am yet to discover if this is all)
As for powerless to stop it, that remains really to be seen as we have raised the concerns and the recommended remedies, if they are ignored then I guess the answer sadly has to be yes
I guess its only right to add that both HJ and MM are directors in their own right due to their retaining shareholding |
Phil, I understand that you can't go into specific's regarding January transfers, but can you say if its to your knowledge that there will be team strengthening in January in a bid to avoid relegation?
I do think that it'll probably be to late by then and I am concerned as to whether some of our "better" players will be looking for moves. | |
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