| Robinson as left wing back? 16:20 - Jan 7 with 6752 views | philosopher |
Robinson has had a great season since moving to centre-back and along with Freeman and Luongo is surely a candidate for player of the year. But now we have other centre backs fit again, and if we persist with 3-5-2, could he switch to left wing back with Pavel right wing back? Basic Bidwell is a solid full back with the occasional bit of brilliance (eg interception or goal-line clearance) but is not quick enough for a wing back. Robinson is faster, can cross the ball and knows where the goal is. Could that work, assuming we have Ned, Baptiste and Hall/Lynch available? |  | | |  |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 16:24 - Jan 7 with 5751 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Is he mobile enough? |  | | |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 17:02 - Jan 7 with 5685 views | philosopher |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 16:24 - Jan 7 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Is he mobile enough? |
Well, he used to be an attacking left back before his injury. He has looked sharp. For the right side, I think I heard someone say that Pavel was one of the fastest at the club. Bit of a mystery why Cousins continues to play there. Ollie seems determined to keep playing the system so we need more options. | | | |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 18:16 - Jan 7 with 5588 views | Tonto |
WHY do you want to change something that’s working well? Leave Robinson where he is. |  |
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 18:21 - Jan 7 with 5573 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 17:02 - Jan 7 by philosopher |
Well, he used to be an attacking left back before his injury. He has looked sharp. For the right side, I think I heard someone say that Pavel was one of the fastest at the club. Bit of a mystery why Cousins continues to play there. Ollie seems determined to keep playing the system so we need more options. |
I'm sure he could do it, but things are alright on that left side and he's doing well in the centre. One for next season maybe? | | | |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 18:23 - Jan 7 with 5573 views | philosopher |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 18:21 - Jan 7 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm sure he could do it, but things are alright on that left side and he's doing well in the centre. One for next season maybe? |
Yep, he's our best centre-back. But somehow need to solve the lack of width | | | |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 18:27 - Jan 7 with 5562 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 18:23 - Jan 7 by philosopher |
Yep, he's our best centre-back. But somehow need to solve the lack of width |
I know the feeling : ( | | | |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 18:29 - Jan 7 with 5559 views | bosh67 |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 18:23 - Jan 7 by philosopher |
Yep, he's our best centre-back. But somehow need to solve the lack of width |
That would be to play wingers and not wing backs. We don't have players capable of doing that. |  |
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 19:06 - Jan 7 with 5511 views | smegma |
Before he moved to centre back he had played wing back. Has everyone forgotten ?? | | | |
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 19:14 - Jan 7 with 5502 views | PlanetHonneywood |
I appreciate that we’ve had injury problems at the back, but if we have one obvious problem playing 3-5-2, it’s that we do not have anyone capable of playing that position on the left or right. It’s utter madness on Ollie’s part!
I’ve caught two games while back for the Crimbo, and the wing backs is one of several glaring issues: movement yesterday was shocking; we all know strikers scoring is a problem, but Smith cannot start a game- he’s a bloke you throw on in the 70th minute if you’re struggling; we cannot cross and yet, we seem to persist down the flanks.
Three big games coming up, especially as teams below are picking up points. However, should we survive this season, next season is where I think we will face the bigger problems caused by our off-field madness and Ollie’s confusion.
God help you poor souls planning to watch this season’s conclusion. |  |
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 19:25 - Jan 7 with 5484 views | philosopher |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 19:06 - Jan 7 by smegma |
Before he moved to centre back he had played wing back. Has everyone forgotten ?? |
Yes, forgotten. Not so many games though? , Bidwell has been playing there so long. | | | |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 19:26 - Jan 7 with 5481 views | philosopher |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 19:14 - Jan 7 by PlanetHonneywood |
I appreciate that we’ve had injury problems at the back, but if we have one obvious problem playing 3-5-2, it’s that we do not have anyone capable of playing that position on the left or right. It’s utter madness on Ollie’s part!
I’ve caught two games while back for the Crimbo, and the wing backs is one of several glaring issues: movement yesterday was shocking; we all know strikers scoring is a problem, but Smith cannot start a game- he’s a bloke you throw on in the 70th minute if you’re struggling; we cannot cross and yet, we seem to persist down the flanks.
Three big games coming up, especially as teams below are picking up points. However, should we survive this season, next season is where I think we will face the bigger problems caused by our off-field madness and Ollie’s confusion.
God help you poor souls planning to watch this season’s conclusion. |
Agree about Smith. He can't really hold the ball up either which is a big problem for someone in that position. Plus if we start with him the tendency is to take the long ball too often. | | | |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 19:54 - Jan 7 with 5431 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
Yes Robinson could be another option if needed but Bidwell really is making this position his own now. I'm a fan. |  |
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 21:19 - Jan 7 with 5316 views | PunteR |
Robinson as left wing back..?
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 22:43 - Jan 7 with 5241 views | oldmisery |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 19:54 - Jan 7 by CliveWilsonSaid |
Yes Robinson could be another option if needed but Bidwell really is making this position his own now. I'm a fan. |
Well all I can say is you are very easily pleased. I believe Bidwell to be average on a good day and yesterday wasn't one. I know we have problems on the right flank too but I can't see what Bidwell does to be included every week; unless he has one of Ollie's home videos in his locker. I'd be interested to know how many of his 'crosses' have proved to be fruitful this season. | | | |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 23:17 - Jan 7 with 5203 views | daveB |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 19:14 - Jan 7 by PlanetHonneywood |
I appreciate that we’ve had injury problems at the back, but if we have one obvious problem playing 3-5-2, it’s that we do not have anyone capable of playing that position on the left or right. It’s utter madness on Ollie’s part!
I’ve caught two games while back for the Crimbo, and the wing backs is one of several glaring issues: movement yesterday was shocking; we all know strikers scoring is a problem, but Smith cannot start a game- he’s a bloke you throw on in the 70th minute if you’re struggling; we cannot cross and yet, we seem to persist down the flanks.
Three big games coming up, especially as teams below are picking up points. However, should we survive this season, next season is where I think we will face the bigger problems caused by our off-field madness and Ollie’s confusion.
God help you poor souls planning to watch this season’s conclusion. |
thing is it's not madness on Holloways part to play 3 at the back.
When we played a 4-4-2 or a 4-2-3-1 last season the midfield were regularly cut apart without the legs to support the forward or the defence, we would regularly see Smithies making 5/6 one on one saves, we were far too easy to play against.
Since the switch to a back 3 that hasn't happened, the defence is harder to get at, the midfield win the ball back quickly and by playing 2 up front we are occupying defenders and making it harder for the opposition to play high up the pitch against us.
It's not perfect and clear the team lacks width but personally think playing Smyth and Freeman and give them freedom to roam out wide will help solve that problem |  | | |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 23:29 - Jan 7 with 5191 views | Bluce_Ree |
Bidwell is good. |  |
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 08:43 - Jan 8 with 5076 views | ridethewave |
Why?
Robinson has had a revelation since moving to CB, and should stay there indefinitely.
He's absolutely not quick enough to be a wing back, and we should not move good players out of there best positions. Stroke of luck finding that CB is his best position, and he should stay there and continue to develop, as the only defender we have with a football brain. [Post edited 8 Jan 2018 8:45]
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 09:11 - Jan 8 with 5040 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 22:43 - Jan 7 by oldmisery |
Well all I can say is you are very easily pleased. I believe Bidwell to be average on a good day and yesterday wasn't one. I know we have problems on the right flank too but I can't see what Bidwell does to be included every week; unless he has one of Ollie's home videos in his locker. I'd be interested to know how many of his 'crosses' have proved to be fruitful this season. |
Not so much easily pleased as realistic. He's as good as we can hope for really, in this position at this point in time IMO. He has a good fitness record, is reliable and is improving. I'm not surprised he's one of the first names on the teamsheet for Ollie. He would be for me too. | |
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 09:36 - Jan 8 with 5015 views | WestbourneR |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 18:16 - Jan 7 by Tonto |
WHY do you want to change something that’s working well? Leave Robinson where he is. |
This. Robinson has looked twice the player since he switched to centre back.
Anyone who saw him play left back for us will testify to the fact that he does not look to be a good full back.
Rangers haven't got the full back positions sorted since Padula and Bignot. Even when we went up under Warnock you've got to say Orr was our weakest player and Hill was doing a job there as he's really a centre back.
We had a goodie in Danny Simpson and threw him away.
ps contrary to Hollywood's post I think the wing backs system is horrible. I don't think the 4 at the back the system was the reason we were defensively suspect (lots of teams, over many many decades, have been defensively stable with four at the back) - we were bad at the back because we were poorly organised and coached. If anything sticking three at the back is just a lazy way to shore up the defence. [Post edited 8 Jan 2018 9:42]
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 10:12 - Jan 8 with 4985 views | oldmisery |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 23:29 - Jan 7 by Bluce_Ree |
Bidwell is good. |
Hold up, didn't you think Rob Green was good too? Specsavers?? | | | |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 12:32 - Jan 8 with 4922 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 09:36 - Jan 8 by WestbourneR |
This. Robinson has looked twice the player since he switched to centre back.
Anyone who saw him play left back for us will testify to the fact that he does not look to be a good full back.
Rangers haven't got the full back positions sorted since Padula and Bignot. Even when we went up under Warnock you've got to say Orr was our weakest player and Hill was doing a job there as he's really a centre back.
We had a goodie in Danny Simpson and threw him away.
ps contrary to Hollywood's post I think the wing backs system is horrible. I don't think the 4 at the back the system was the reason we were defensively suspect (lots of teams, over many many decades, have been defensively stable with four at the back) - we were bad at the back because we were poorly organised and coached. If anything sticking three at the back is just a lazy way to shore up the defence. [Post edited 8 Jan 2018 9:42]
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Not sure where you’ve formed the opinion I was advocating wingbacks, when I’ve clearly said we don’t have anyone capable of playing wide left or right. If we had Clive Wilson, Mark Dennis to choose from on one side, and The Bard and Wayne Fereday on the other, then yes.
But Bidwell and Cousins have never shown me they’re suited to the role, and as for Pav, he has suddenly lost the ability to go past a man. So when we seem he’ll bent onto my going down the flanks most of the time, that’s a problem. | |
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 13:41 - Jan 8 with 4885 views | WestbourneR |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 12:32 - Jan 8 by PlanetHonneywood |
Not sure where you’ve formed the opinion I was advocating wingbacks, when I’ve clearly said we don’t have anyone capable of playing wide left or right. If we had Clive Wilson, Mark Dennis to choose from on one side, and The Bard and Wayne Fereday on the other, then yes.
But Bidwell and Cousins have never shown me they’re suited to the role, and as for Pav, he has suddenly lost the ability to go past a man. So when we seem he’ll bent onto my going down the flanks most of the time, that’s a problem. |
Mate I'm not saying Bidwell & Cousins are good there - they're not - but that's because we've haven't go anyone in the squad who is a specialist for wing back. What I'm saying is moving our best centre defender out to his previous full back position is not the answer. Robinson has been much improved since he moved to centre back. | |
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 03:53 - Jan 9 with 4766 views | LadbrokeR |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 23:29 - Jan 7 by Bluce_Ree |
Bidwell is good. |
I don’t think anyone is disagreeing | | | |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 10:51 - Jan 9 with 4717 views | WestbourneR |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 03:53 - Jan 9 by LadbrokeR |
I don’t think anyone is disagreeing |
I am. He's average not good and his crosses often don't clear the first man. I can see what Brentford took £1million for him - looks over priced in retrospect. | |
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| Robinson as left wing back? on 11:04 - Jan 9 with 4707 views | smegma |
| Robinson as left wing back? on 09:36 - Jan 8 by WestbourneR |
This. Robinson has looked twice the player since he switched to centre back.
Anyone who saw him play left back for us will testify to the fact that he does not look to be a good full back.
Rangers haven't got the full back positions sorted since Padula and Bignot. Even when we went up under Warnock you've got to say Orr was our weakest player and Hill was doing a job there as he's really a centre back.
We had a goodie in Danny Simpson and threw him away.
ps contrary to Hollywood's post I think the wing backs system is horrible. I don't think the 4 at the back the system was the reason we were defensively suspect (lots of teams, over many many decades, have been defensively stable with four at the back) - we were bad at the back because we were poorly organised and coached. If anything sticking three at the back is just a lazy way to shore up the defence. [Post edited 8 Jan 2018 9:42]
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We didn't have a weak link when Warnock walked this league. | | | |
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