| Corona Virus 22:39 - Mar 7 with 583114 views | SgorioFruit |
Sorry for new thread,
But how bad do you lot reckon it’s going to get here in the UK?
I just been watching the news. Looking nasty in Italy. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 10:32 - Mar 26 with 2333 views | LeonWasGod |
| Corona Virus on 21:27 - Mar 25 by Banosswan |
Whose ðŸ˜
However planet swans' (posters, not the site) attitude towards just slagging everything off along party lines is disgusting. |
Although Kilk is pretty much right in that case. We took a position despite the scientific advice, not necessarily because of it. The science didn't change yet our position did.
I hope this will all come out in the wash eventually. There'll no doubt be a review of how different countries responded, and hopefully some lessons learnt that will make people better prepared if/when something like this happens again.
It's not just Planet Swans - society's becoming increasingly tribal. We've a way to go before we get as bad as the US, but we're following the same path (not surprising, as some of the agitators are the same people). |  | | |
| Corona Virus on 10:41 - Mar 26 with 2311 views | sainthelens |
| Corona Virus on 10:29 - Mar 26 by Best_loser |
So now it's official
Every American gets a free 1200 dollars
What do we get ?
They should cancel council tax for a month at least |
Good news for the crack/meth addicts there. |  | | |
| Corona Virus on 10:59 - Mar 26 with 2291 views | Catullus |
| Corona Virus on 08:56 - Mar 26 by Brynmill_Jack |
Unfair on Corbyn. I don’t even know why you’re brining his name into it . He would still have to deal with people flouting advice as we’re seeing with Johnson’s advice right now.
For the record Johnson may have got the herd mentality thing totally wrong but this is unknown territory. Even though I despise the tories and their defenders I hope what’s being done works. |
I brought Corbyns name into it because some posters have claimed he would have done better. We'll never know, I personally doubt it but it's impossible to prove either way, being wise after the event is no proof.
Despite what is happening and some people still behaving tribally re politics, hasn't this virus actually healed some of the brexit rift? Hasn't Corona brought people back together even if only a little bit?
The government asked for volunteers and over 500,000 stepped up with more still doing so. We are seeing random acts of kindness and a generosity of spirit that brexit seemed to have crushed.
Long may it last.
Edit, 560,000 volunteers in 24 hours, an incredible altruistic reaction. [Post edited 26 Mar 2020 11:14]
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| Corona Virus on 11:04 - Mar 26 with 2272 views | Swansea93 |
Daily death rate halved from 86 to 43, but the peak hasn't happened yet so we'll see. | |
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| Corona Virus on 11:14 - Mar 26 with 2250 views | Dr_Winston |
| Corona Virus on 10:32 - Mar 26 by LeonWasGod |
Although Kilk is pretty much right in that case. We took a position despite the scientific advice, not necessarily because of it. The science didn't change yet our position did.
I hope this will all come out in the wash eventually. There'll no doubt be a review of how different countries responded, and hopefully some lessons learnt that will make people better prepared if/when something like this happens again.
It's not just Planet Swans - society's becoming increasingly tribal. We've a way to go before we get as bad as the US, but we're following the same path (not surprising, as some of the agitators are the same people). |
Seems to me that going against scientific advice is precisely what we're not doing. At yesterdays press conference Johnson stuck with the slogans and deferred any technical question to Whitty & Vallance. Remains to be seen whether that advice is right, but for me we're definitely being led by the specialists.
As you say, come the end of this there will be big international discussions about what happened and where we went right/wrong. Until then it's pointless pointing the finger as so many people seem desperate to do, largely for political point scoring purposes. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 11:26 - Mar 26 with 2232 views | jasper_T |
| Corona Virus on 11:04 - Mar 26 by Swansea93 |
Daily death rate halved from 86 to 43, but the peak hasn't happened yet so we'll see. |
Apparently we've changed how we're reporting the numbers and now require consent from next of kin to add people to the daily count. Might create even more noise in the data than there already is.
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| Corona Virus on 11:33 - Mar 26 with 2215 views | Catullus |
I didn't think they needed consent to release the numbers, just to release the names? We don't need the names of all the poor souls who died but we need the accurate numbers if only to scare the stupid amongst us into maintaining social distance. | |
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| Corona Virus on 11:40 - Mar 26 with 2208 views | jasper_T |
| Corona Virus on 11:33 - Mar 26 by Catullus |
I didn't think they needed consent to release the numbers, just to release the names? We don't need the names of all the poor souls who died but we need the accurate numbers if only to scare the stupid amongst us into maintaining social distance. |
It's a flimsy excuse that makes little sense but nonetheless the reporting is changing. | | | |
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| Corona Virus on 11:49 - Mar 26 with 2182 views | Scotia |
| Corona Virus on 11:40 - Mar 26 by jasper_T |
It's a flimsy excuse that makes little sense but nonetheless the reporting is changing. |
And effectively making it worthless. No better than the number of confirmed cases.
I think the number of fatalities needs to be reported as is - even if it is just to scare the rest of us in to action. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 12:00 - Mar 26 with 2155 views | jasper_T |
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| Corona Virus on 12:11 - Mar 26 with 2140 views | Professor |
| Corona Virus on 11:14 - Mar 26 by Dr_Winston |
Seems to me that going against scientific advice is precisely what we're not doing. At yesterdays press conference Johnson stuck with the slogans and deferred any technical question to Whitty & Vallance. Remains to be seen whether that advice is right, but for me we're definitely being led by the specialists.
As you say, come the end of this there will be big international discussions about what happened and where we went right/wrong. Until then it's pointless pointing the finger as so many people seem desperate to do, largely for political point scoring purposes. |
Yes. The best scientific advice is now being acted upon and especially the massive increases in testing. The initial problem (and I lay this at Cummings and Vallance) was taking an extremes and risky position within the science. I would believe that most, if not all, past PMs and indeed Corbyn would have followed the best consensus. That said, since the change in position the government have been pretty decent in their actions. It is the lateness that despairs us scientists. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 12:22 - Mar 26 with 2103 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corona Virus on 12:11 - Mar 26 by Professor |
Yes. The best scientific advice is now being acted upon and especially the massive increases in testing. The initial problem (and I lay this at Cummings and Vallance) was taking an extremes and risky position within the science. I would believe that most, if not all, past PMs and indeed Corbyn would have followed the best consensus. That said, since the change in position the government have been pretty decent in their actions. It is the lateness that despairs us scientists. |
The problem is not helped by the dramatically changing positions of, as an example, the Imperial team, who have now turned yet again. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 12:23 - Mar 26 with 2104 views | Catullus |
| Corona Virus on 12:11 - Mar 26 by Professor |
Yes. The best scientific advice is now being acted upon and especially the massive increases in testing. The initial problem (and I lay this at Cummings and Vallance) was taking an extremes and risky position within the science. I would believe that most, if not all, past PMs and indeed Corbyn would have followed the best consensus. That said, since the change in position the government have been pretty decent in their actions. It is the lateness that despairs us scientists. |
I think it despairs most of us. It just seemed logical to stop flights from badly hit areas from being allowed to disembark and go home with no testing. The airports and seaports should have been locked down straight away. That's not even hindsight for several on here, it was being said.
The uncomfortable truth is though, we are where we are.
How are people coping with lockdown? We're lucky to have a decent garden. I feel sorry for anyone who can't get outdoors frequently. I am back and fore to the garden regularly, it is getting tidier and it's preventing my descending into insanity  | |
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| Corona Virus on 12:28 - Mar 26 with 2097 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Corona Virus on 12:23 - Mar 26 by Catullus |
I think it despairs most of us. It just seemed logical to stop flights from badly hit areas from being allowed to disembark and go home with no testing. The airports and seaports should have been locked down straight away. That's not even hindsight for several on here, it was being said.
The uncomfortable truth is though, we are where we are.
How are people coping with lockdown? We're lucky to have a decent garden. I feel sorry for anyone who can't get outdoors frequently. I am back and fore to the garden regularly, it is getting tidier and it's preventing my descending into insanity |
Your point about the sustainability of a lockdown is interesting, Prof Chris Whitty said this early on, that the toughest measures need to come in at the right time as they are not sustainable for a long period and could do more harm than the virus. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 12:36 - Mar 26 with 2070 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Corona Virus on 12:28 - Mar 26 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Your point about the sustainability of a lockdown is interesting, Prof Chris Whitty said this early on, that the toughest measures need to come in at the right time as they are not sustainable for a long period and could do more harm than the virus. |
Lets hope he is correct.
The following shows how late the UK acted.
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| Corona Virus on 12:38 - Mar 26 with 2065 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Corona Virus on 11:26 - Mar 26 by jasper_T |
Apparently we've changed how we're reporting the numbers and now require consent from next of kin to add people to the daily count. Might create even more noise in the data than there already is.
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| Corona Virus on 12:41 - Mar 26 with 2053 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corona Virus on 12:38 - Mar 26 by Kilkennyjack |
This is a worry. |
Do you want the government to succeed or not? | | | |
| Corona Virus on 12:46 - Mar 26 with 2047 views | Professor |
| Corona Virus on 12:22 - Mar 26 by londonlisa2001 |
The problem is not helped by the dramatically changing positions of, as an example, the Imperial team, who have now turned yet again. |
That's a consequence of the nature of epidemiological models. They need data to feed the beast. The modelling I have been involved in (actually a network model of immune responses) used several thousand data sets we had generated over 3 years experimental work and remarkably was pretty accurate. The Imperial team (who developed the FMD models in 2001) tend to be pessimistic in initial outlook. That said I have never seen a predictive model work that well in a stochastic biological system.
Ulimately you can only stop and outbreak by blocking transmission routes or making a population resistant or immune | | | |
| Corona Virus on 12:46 - Mar 26 with 2047 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Corona Virus on 12:38 - Mar 26 by Kilkennyjack |
This is a worry. |
Well this may be a sensible measure to protect next of kin, with no hospital visits people will be wondering if todays figures include their relative. | |
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| Corona Virus on 12:56 - Mar 26 with 2023 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Corona Virus on 12:46 - Mar 26 by Professor |
That's a consequence of the nature of epidemiological models. They need data to feed the beast. The modelling I have been involved in (actually a network model of immune responses) used several thousand data sets we had generated over 3 years experimental work and remarkably was pretty accurate. The Imperial team (who developed the FMD models in 2001) tend to be pessimistic in initial outlook. That said I have never seen a predictive model work that well in a stochastic biological system.
Ulimately you can only stop and outbreak by blocking transmission routes or making a population resistant or immune |
Understood.
But to go in two weeks from where they were to where they are as of today is astonishing.
The issue on which they appear to have changed stance in on the subject of levels of infection.
I found it interesting that when Johnson raised the Oxford University study in the daily briefing yesterday, the CMO / CSA didn’t write it off (as I expected them to do), but instead stressed the importance of anti body tests (which of course they are). Imperial have pivoted in the last 24 hours towards a belief that there may be some truth in it as well. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 13:15 - Mar 26 with 2000 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Corona Virus on 12:41 - Mar 26 by londonlisa2001 |
Do you want the government to succeed or not? |
Lisa - lets be honest, you have been asleep at the wheel throughout this pandemic. You have consistently been ill informed and incorrect.
You bury your head in the sand if you like.
Resorting to personal abuse is a cheap shot, but i guess you already know that.
The people on this thread who are helping to hold this government to account are the people who want to see the Govt succeed, or why bother ?
I hate to tell you this but just wishing for something rarely works.
Mostly its about making hard decisions that stand up to duty scrutiny. | |
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| Corona Virus on 13:19 - Mar 26 with 1990 views | ploppy |
| Corona Virus on 13:15 - Mar 26 by Kilkennyjack |
Lisa - lets be honest, you have been asleep at the wheel throughout this pandemic. You have consistently been ill informed and incorrect.
You bury your head in the sand if you like.
Resorting to personal abuse is a cheap shot, but i guess you already know that.
The people on this thread who are helping to hold this government to account are the people who want to see the Govt succeed, or why bother ?
I hate to tell you this but just wishing for something rarely works.
Mostly its about making hard decisions that stand up to duty scrutiny. |
There are no people on this thread "who are helping to hold this government to account". You have a very inflated opinion of yourself if you think you are. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 13:27 - Mar 26 with 1960 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Corona Virus on 13:19 - Mar 26 by ploppy |
There are no people on this thread "who are helping to hold this government to account". You have a very inflated opinion of yourself if you think you are. |
Yes, go volunteer and do something positive. I've got an elderly couple to shop for and a housebound man to phone allocated from my council. | |
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| Corona Virus on 13:41 - Mar 26 with 2705 views | Professor |
| Corona Virus on 12:56 - Mar 26 by londonlisa2001 |
Understood.
But to go in two weeks from where they were to where they are as of today is astonishing.
The issue on which they appear to have changed stance in on the subject of levels of infection.
I found it interesting that when Johnson raised the Oxford University study in the daily briefing yesterday, the CMO / CSA didn’t write it off (as I expected them to do), but instead stressed the importance of anti body tests (which of course they are). Imperial have pivoted in the last 24 hours towards a belief that there may be some truth in it as well. |
The Oxford study is intriguing, tough roundly dismissed by a number of scientists, in that there is much anecdotal evidence of many people (including all of my household) with a less progressive respiratory disease-plenty have said this here. Perhaps we have had a wave of lower virulent infections. As you rightly say the antibody-based test will tell us a lot about exposure. It would be great if we are at a high exposure rate as we may get some herd immunity and transmission dropping off fairly soon. I'm not entirely hopeful it will happen though. Anything below 10000 deaths would be a major result | | | |
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