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Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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This has been explained to you already, you are either not reading or intentionally not wanting to understand.
1. Universal main in voting is in Democrat states, any dead people sent votes will in all likelihood will fall in democrat hands. If I dropped a fiver in Swansea, whats the chances that a Swansea fan would pick it up over a Cardiff one? Cardiff fans can pick things up too right?
2. see above
3. It isn't just dead Democrats. Its democrat vote harvesters working on behalf of democratic run states people, such as Ilhan Omar. There is also people that have received votes (and voted) that no longer live in the state. 10,000 is the latest figure bandied about in Nevada alone and they are nowhere near finished checking.
I am not just talking about dead people, I am talking about Universal mail in voting. I cant keep repeating this for you. I have just shown you dead people voting, the post man giving someone ballots that aren't theirs just because they asked for them and vote hoarding where immigrants and the elderly are having votes taken from them or bought off them.
If you think that represents a solid and reliable democratic process then you crack on. But you sound irrational. The proof is above if you ever get round to taking a look as I can only imagine you haven't.
It isn't Republicans trying to stop people observing the process (as legally required), or removing the need for time and date stamps or signature matching (when it isn't even their place to make those decisions)... ask yourself why.
Even if you somehow make the case that voter fraud is being done by both equally (even though that's extremely unlikely its anywhere close to equal)... all the more reason to agree that this Universal mail in process is not a democratic one. Which is my point and has been for months.. right?
Let me know what you come up with. [Post edited 6 Nov 2020 2:45]
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11 States automatically sent out mail in votes to every registered voter.
Vermont
Nevada
District of Columbia
California
New Jersey
Colorado
Hawaii
Utah
Washington
Oregon
Washington DC
Of these are all democratic states, except Utah.
So of course, all these democratic States pulled off a fantastic fraud to scewer the results in their favour.
The fact that most of these had massive democratic majorities and traditionally democratic voters, well it makes perfect sense doesn't it.
Mind you, if I was planning a massive fraud in voting to make sure I'd win, I'd be looking at the swing states myself. Shows how stupid these democrats are to create giant fraud stealing millions of votes in States they would win anyway.
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11 States automatically sent out mail in votes to every registered voter.
Vermont
Nevada
District of Columbia
California
New Jersey
Colorado
Hawaii
Utah
Washington
Oregon
Washington DC
Of these are all democratic states, except Utah.
So of course, all these democratic States pulled off a fantastic fraud to scewer the results in their favour.
The fact that most of these had massive democratic majorities and traditionally democratic voters, well it makes perfect sense doesn't it.
Mind you, if I was planning a massive fraud in voting to make sure I'd win, I'd be looking at the swing states myself. Shows how stupid these democrats are to create giant fraud stealing millions of votes in States they would win anyway.
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If all else fails, start calling names. The calling card of the desperate Democrat, alas I will respond to your points such as we do here on the right of center.
Groo, you have just posted something which backs up exactly what I was saying. Universal mail in ballots are a democratic thing and any voter fraud (of which we are now seeing many examples of) are coming in the Democrat areas.
You may think it’s fashionable to take the other stance, or at least appear to be. But you are agreeing with me. Nevada as you have just pointed out for example is incredibly tight and may indeed be the State that swings the whole election. If it’s not possibly to flip Democrat run states but it’s possible to flip Republican ones - there is a distinct handicap there so your assertion that they are Democrat dominated areas is flawed inherently.
You have been shown evidence of voter fraud and voter irregularities, you have had it explained to you why this would skew to the Democrats and you now seemingly agree after initially being confused thinking it would be equal.
The mail in ballots are a Democrat theme and Democrat direction. That can happen in non Universal mail in ballot areas too, it’s just not as easy. We have seen that in Minnesota where Democrat gangs were ballot harvesting from the elderly and from immigrant homes.
You can choose to pretend this is a democratic process if you really want to Groo, but unfortunately the only person falling foul of your original insult would be yourself. Learn to think objectively and not emotionally.
Whether it is your opinion there was “enough” fraud to swing these States isn’t really the point as we probably won’t know the level of fraud and skullduggery, what I am saying is this process which you appear to be okay with being massively flawed and not a democratic process... is just that.
I was right when I raised the point months ago, and I have proven that point by what has emerged over the last few days. You can kick and scream with your anti-trump rhetoric like is rife on the other board - but what remains will be common sense and the facts.
Facts don’t care about your feelings or your biases. They really don’t. [Post edited 6 Nov 2020 3:54]
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If all else fails, start calling names. The calling card of the desperate Democrat, alas I will respond to your points such as we do here on the right of center.
Groo, you have just posted something which backs up exactly what I was saying. Universal mail in ballots are a democratic thing and any voter fraud (of which we are now seeing many examples of) are coming in the Democrat areas.
You may think it’s fashionable to take the other stance, or at least appear to be. But you are agreeing with me. Nevada as you have just pointed out for example is incredibly tight and may indeed be the State that swings the whole election. If it’s not possibly to flip Democrat run states but it’s possible to flip Republican ones - there is a distinct handicap there so your assertion that they are Democrat dominated areas is flawed inherently.
You have been shown evidence of voter fraud and voter irregularities, you have had it explained to you why this would skew to the Democrats and you now seemingly agree after initially being confused thinking it would be equal.
The mail in ballots are a Democrat theme and Democrat direction. That can happen in non Universal mail in ballot areas too, it’s just not as easy. We have seen that in Minnesota where Democrat gangs were ballot harvesting from the elderly and from immigrant homes.
You can choose to pretend this is a democratic process if you really want to Groo, but unfortunately the only person falling foul of your original insult would be yourself. Learn to think objectively and not emotionally.
Whether it is your opinion there was “enough” fraud to swing these States isn’t really the point as we probably won’t know the level of fraud and skullduggery, what I am saying is this process which you appear to be okay with being massively flawed and not a democratic process... is just that.
I was right when I raised the point months ago, and I have proven that point by what has emerged over the last few days. You can kick and scream with your anti-trump rhetoric like is rife on the other board - but what remains will be common sense and the facts.
Facts don’t care about your feelings or your biases. They really don’t. [Post edited 6 Nov 2020 3:54]
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I'm not for Trump or Biden, I'm also not emotional.
I'm pointing out how stupid your argument is. Claiming massive fraud in democratic areas by democrats to ensure democrats will win in areas they would win anyway.
I'm sure there is cheating going on by all sides but there's no evidence of anything on the scale that would be required to effect the election.
I doubt very much that either side has organised a party backed scheme to cheat on massive scale.
Mail in ballots are not a democratic theme, only six states (yes all republican) have not allowed mail in votes because of coronovirus.
So are you saying all but six are run by democrats.
The main difference as I stated elsewhere is the democrats encourage mail in votes due to coronvirus and Trump has led the republicans to down play the coronovirus.
This has led to the majority of republicans to vote in person and the majority of mail in votes to be done by democrats. Which means in the States where mail in votes were not allowed to be counted until the day and then pushed to the back as they counted walk ins first are now seeing the democrats catching up and in some cases bypassing the republicans.
These are not mysterious votes magically appearing at count centres, they are genuine posted votes and everyones vote should be counted.
So you say the democrat run states are dodgy and cheating with the mail in posts but this doesn't make sense as they would win them anyway.
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I'm not for Trump or Biden, I'm also not emotional.
I'm pointing out how stupid your argument is. Claiming massive fraud in democratic areas by democrats to ensure democrats will win in areas they would win anyway.
I'm sure there is cheating going on by all sides but there's no evidence of anything on the scale that would be required to effect the election.
I doubt very much that either side has organised a party backed scheme to cheat on massive scale.
Mail in ballots are not a democratic theme, only six states (yes all republican) have not allowed mail in votes because of coronovirus.
So are you saying all but six are run by democrats.
The main difference as I stated elsewhere is the democrats encourage mail in votes due to coronvirus and Trump has led the republicans to down play the coronovirus.
This has led to the majority of republicans to vote in person and the majority of mail in votes to be done by democrats. Which means in the States where mail in votes were not allowed to be counted until the day and then pushed to the back as they counted walk ins first are now seeing the democrats catching up and in some cases bypassing the republicans.
These are not mysterious votes magically appearing at count centres, they are genuine posted votes and everyones vote should be counted.
So you say the democrat run states are dodgy and cheating with the mail in posts but this doesn't make sense as they would win them anyway.
There is no evidence of this, at least on the scale needed to win the election. |
Your posting style shows that whether you know it to be true or not, you have bias against Trump and posting incessantly at the early hours of the morning calling people names and posting things in capital letters suggests some level of frustration or emotional posting. But hey, we will agree to disagree there.
You cannot point out how stupid an argument is when you clearly don’t understand what that argument is. I haven’t claimed massive fraud. I am saying (and have done so for months) that Universal mail in voting is inherently not democratic and open to all kinds of abuse - abuse which is now coming to light.
You are attributing method to cause. Which is an error. Democrats are not saying vote early due to Coronavirus, just like they aren’t saying Republicans can’t watch us counting, we will not match signatures and we won’t use time and dating stamps... for coronavirus. Coronavirus is the vehicle behind they were able to force through an unreliable and undemocratic method of voting.
Whether you think there is enough fraud and inaccuracies to sway an election is irrelevant, you have no idea what that scale is, that’s for the courts and the investigations to decide. But what we both know is that this system is open to abuse and has been abused - to what extent is not for us to say.
So an impartial observer as you claim to be would surely be wanting democracy to play out and a thorough investigation into every and all of these valid claims to see what the extend of the issue is, because we are talking small margins here.
As for “they would win them anyway”... Nevada currently has 11,000 votes between them. I addressed that point with the notion of being able to flip on Republican states adds a clear disadvantage to the fairness of a national election. There is no such thing as “they would win them anyway”. It’s never been true and it’s never likely to be true. But I reiterate, mail in ballots have been harvested on a scale never before seen in other states too, there has never been more desperation to unseat opposition before as he is dangerous to their cause and narrative.
You also say every vote deserves to be counted and they haven’t turned up out of thin air. That’s incorrect. Every legal vote deserves to be counted that was submitted within the legal timeframe - yet I just showed you a video of a postal worker being told to backdate the time stamps so that the batches can be counted.
I’m sorry but I just cannot accept any impartial lover of democracy would want the above to slide without investigation because of reasons that tantamount to “orange man bad”. There are some massive statistical discrepancies, usually coming in the dead of night when counting has stopped that a batch gets added that is around 95% Biden, figures that just don’t represent what we are seeing in normal batches. So knowing all of the above plus the pushback against republicans being allowed to watch these counts leads to an absolute need for an investigation and an audit of mailed in votes.
Anyone who wants fair democracy would agree. Why wouldn’t they? [Post edited 6 Nov 2020 4:39]
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Your posting style shows that whether you know it to be true or not, you have bias against Trump and posting incessantly at the early hours of the morning calling people names and posting things in capital letters suggests some level of frustration or emotional posting. But hey, we will agree to disagree there.
You cannot point out how stupid an argument is when you clearly don’t understand what that argument is. I haven’t claimed massive fraud. I am saying (and have done so for months) that Universal mail in voting is inherently not democratic and open to all kinds of abuse - abuse which is now coming to light.
You are attributing method to cause. Which is an error. Democrats are not saying vote early due to Coronavirus, just like they aren’t saying Republicans can’t watch us counting, we will not match signatures and we won’t use time and dating stamps... for coronavirus. Coronavirus is the vehicle behind they were able to force through an unreliable and undemocratic method of voting.
Whether you think there is enough fraud and inaccuracies to sway an election is irrelevant, you have no idea what that scale is, that’s for the courts and the investigations to decide. But what we both know is that this system is open to abuse and has been abused - to what extent is not for us to say.
So an impartial observer as you claim to be would surely be wanting democracy to play out and a thorough investigation into every and all of these valid claims to see what the extend of the issue is, because we are talking small margins here.
As for “they would win them anyway”... Nevada currently has 11,000 votes between them. I addressed that point with the notion of being able to flip on Republican states adds a clear disadvantage to the fairness of a national election. There is no such thing as “they would win them anyway”. It’s never been true and it’s never likely to be true. But I reiterate, mail in ballots have been harvested on a scale never before seen in other states too, there has never been more desperation to unseat opposition before as he is dangerous to their cause and narrative.
You also say every vote deserves to be counted and they haven’t turned up out of thin air. That’s incorrect. Every legal vote deserves to be counted that was submitted within the legal timeframe - yet I just showed you a video of a postal worker being told to backdate the time stamps so that the batches can be counted.
I’m sorry but I just cannot accept any impartial lover of democracy would want the above to slide without investigation because of reasons that tantamount to “orange man bad”. There are some massive statistical discrepancies, usually coming in the dead of night when counting has stopped that a batch gets added that is around 95% Biden, figures that just don’t represent what we are seeing in normal batches. So knowing all of the above plus the pushback against republicans being allowed to watch these counts leads to an absolute need for an investigation and an audit of mailed in votes.
Anyone who wants fair democracy would agree. Why wouldn’t they? [Post edited 6 Nov 2020 4:39]
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"Your posting style shows that whether you know it to be true or not, you have bias against Trump and posting incessantly at the early hours of the morning calling people names and posting things in capital letters suggests some level of frustration or emotional posting. But hey, we will agree to disagree there."
I never said I liked Trump, I don't, mainly due to his actions regarding coronovirus, putting so many at risk. I don't particarly like Biden either.
As I said, its not morning, I'll be going to bed soon.
I never called anyone names, "Can you see how stupid you look yet?" is not calling you names.
I only wrote P A N D E M I C in captial letters to highlight something that should be bleeding obvious. | |
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"You cannot point out how stupid an argument is when you clearly don’t understand what that argument is. I haven’t claimed massive fraud. I am saying (and have done so for months) that Universal mail in voting is inherently not democratic and open to all kinds of abuse - abuse which is now coming to light."
So your not claiming massive fraud just that its open to abuse. So no problem then, there's no fraud, glad you admit it.
Nothing is coming to light, only conspiracy driven by a panicing Trump. | |
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and there's so many false things you've written here. |
Yet you have decided to not point any out?
Strange. | |
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"You are attributing method to cause. Which is an error. Democrats are not saying vote early due to Coronavirus, just like they aren’t saying Republicans can’t watch us counting, we will not match signatures and we won’t use time and dating stamps... for coronavirus. Coronavirus is the vehicle behind they were able to force through an unreliable and undemocratic method of voting."
The democrats did say vote early due to coronovirus.
"As the coronavirus pandemic fanned across the country in the spring, Democrats looking ahead to the presidential election urged people to stay home in November–and vote by mail."
As for republicans can't watch us counting. Who's us, its not democrats counting its volunteers of all parties. The rules in PA were for everyone, not just republicans.
"we will not match signatures and we won’t use time and dating stamps." Thats funny I saw an official from PA this afternoon painstakingingly going through the process they go through to ensure the vote is valid, which includes those things youy seem to say is not being done. She stated that this was the reason its taking so long, all the checking. | |
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"Whether you think there is enough fraud and inaccuracies to sway an election is irrelevant, you have no idea what that scale is, that’s for the courts and the investigations to decide. But what we both know is that this system is open to abuse and has been abused - to what extent is not for us to say.
So an impartial observer as you claim to be would surely be wanting democracy to play out and a thorough investigation into every and all of these valid claims to see what the extend of the issue is, because we are talking small margins here."
Yes, its courts and investigations once there is enough proof to start one, hearsay is not proof. | |
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"You are attributing method to cause. Which is an error. Democrats are not saying vote early due to Coronavirus, just like they aren’t saying Republicans can’t watch us counting, we will not match signatures and we won’t use time and dating stamps... for coronavirus. Coronavirus is the vehicle behind they were able to force through an unreliable and undemocratic method of voting."
The democrats did say vote early due to coronovirus.
"As the coronavirus pandemic fanned across the country in the spring, Democrats looking ahead to the presidential election urged people to stay home in November–and vote by mail."
As for republicans can't watch us counting. Who's us, its not democrats counting its volunteers of all parties. The rules in PA were for everyone, not just republicans.
"we will not match signatures and we won’t use time and dating stamps." Thats funny I saw an official from PA this afternoon painstakingingly going through the process they go through to ensure the vote is valid, which includes those things youy seem to say is not being done. She stated that this was the reason its taking so long, all the checking. |
Yes I know they said that. I told you, you are attributing the method to the cause, which is an error. Jimmy Savile said he was going into hospitals wards to raise money for them, somehow I don’t think that was the real reason. When you say Democrats you realise you are talking about the likes of Nancy Pelosi who violated her own coronavirus rules to have her hair done right? Maskless. I refuse to believe you are a stupid man.
As I explained coronavirus was the vehicle they used against trump for many reasons, including pushing through a voting system that suited them that was notoriously open to abuse.
As for your last paragraph. “Us” is the democratic states counting areas, of which many cheered when republicans were not allowed in or matched off the property illegally. | |
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"As for “they would win them anyway”... Nevada currently has 11,000 votes between them. I addressed that point with the notion of being able to flip on Republican states adds a clear disadvantage to the fairness of a national election. There is no such thing as “they would win them anyway”. It’s never been true and it’s never likely to be true. But I reiterate, mail in ballots have been harvested on a scale never before seen in other states too, there has never been more desperation to unseat opposition before as he is dangerous to their cause and narrative.
You also say every vote deserves to be counted and they haven’t turned up out of thin air. That’s incorrect. Every legal vote deserves to be counted that was submitted within the legal timeframe - yet I just showed you a video of a postal worker being told to backdate the time stamps so that the batches can be counted."
You can reitterate all you like, there is no proof of anything of what you say.
You offer no evidence of massive harvesting, only one example, which in itself would need investigating and could also just as easily be dirty tricks by republicans. | |
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"I’m sorry but I just cannot accept any impartial lover of democracy would want the above to slide without investigation because of reasons that tantamount to “orange man bad”. There are some massive statistical discrepancies, usually coming in the dead of night when counting has stopped that a batch gets added that is around 95% Biden, figures that just don’t represent what we are seeing in normal batches. So knowing all of the above plus the pushback against republicans being allowed to watch these counts leads to an absolute need for an investigation and an audit of mailed in votes."
Yet more conspiracy theories. | |
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"Whether you think there is enough fraud and inaccuracies to sway an election is irrelevant, you have no idea what that scale is, that’s for the courts and the investigations to decide. But what we both know is that this system is open to abuse and has been abused - to what extent is not for us to say.
So an impartial observer as you claim to be would surely be wanting democracy to play out and a thorough investigation into every and all of these valid claims to see what the extend of the issue is, because we are talking small margins here."
Yes, its courts and investigations once there is enough proof to start one, hearsay is not proof. |
It’s not hearsay.
-It’s first hand video evidence of votes being thrown away
-first hand accounts of official workers coming forward and stating they were told to backdate batches of postal votes in order for them to be counted
- votes being received and submitted by dead people
- postal workers giving batches of undeliverable ballots to someone who asks
- voting regulations being changed by people without the authority to do so
- people being denied their legal duty to observe the ballot counting
- thousands of people voting that no longer live in certain states (such as Arizona).
- ballot hoarding in Minneapolis where someone shows 300 ballots in his car and says who he works for.
All of the above, as a lover of democracy. I’m sure you are now with the President and I and calling for a full audit of postal votes and a legal battle where the courts decide the level of fraud and illegalities gone on.
See, we do agree. [Post edited 6 Nov 2020 5:31]
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No, we BOTH don't know.
I think I've had this argument with you before, where you say "we", when "we" certainly do not. |
So you don’t think someone who died 36 years ago voting this week is fraudulent? Do you know something about the afterlife that we don’t? Assuming you don’t then my assertion that we both know there has been some level of fraud is accurate.
So the situation was that you accepted there was fraud but didn’t believe it was on a scale that affected anything. That would be a fair assessment right?
So considering we don’t know the scale of the fraud, and only that it exists - I mean you are just guessing based on a personal hunch regards to the scale, then you would surely like an investigation into the level of that fraud... wouldn’t you? [Post edited 6 Nov 2020 5:32]
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"I’m sorry but I just cannot accept any impartial lover of democracy would want the above to slide without investigation because of reasons that tantamount to “orange man bad”. There are some massive statistical discrepancies, usually coming in the dead of night when counting has stopped that a batch gets added that is around 95% Biden, figures that just don’t represent what we are seeing in normal batches. So knowing all of the above plus the pushback against republicans being allowed to watch these counts leads to an absolute need for an investigation and an audit of mailed in votes."
Yet more conspiracy theories. |
Which part is a conspiracy theory?
These are official figures.
Strange isn’t it. | |
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"As for “they would win them anyway”... Nevada currently has 11,000 votes between them. I addressed that point with the notion of being able to flip on Republican states adds a clear disadvantage to the fairness of a national election. There is no such thing as “they would win them anyway”. It’s never been true and it’s never likely to be true. But I reiterate, mail in ballots have been harvested on a scale never before seen in other states too, there has never been more desperation to unseat opposition before as he is dangerous to their cause and narrative.
You also say every vote deserves to be counted and they haven’t turned up out of thin air. That’s incorrect. Every legal vote deserves to be counted that was submitted within the legal timeframe - yet I just showed you a video of a postal worker being told to backdate the time stamps so that the batches can be counted."
You can reitterate all you like, there is no proof of anything of what you say.
You offer no evidence of massive harvesting, only one example, which in itself would need investigating and could also just as easily be dirty tricks by republicans. |
“There is no proof..... except that one”.
Bit of an oxymoron there Groo. So you accept that ballot harvesting exists, because I showed you the man saying he has a whole squad working for Democrat Ilhan Omar, and showed you the votes he got just that morning.
So we both accept that is proof that it exists. Neither of us know the scale so we, as lovers of democracy, would like an investigation into that.... right?
For someone who claims to like democracy and is impartial, you seem to be allowing a lot of anti-democratic and corrupt things slide without wanting any investigations into them. I can’t imagine why.... | |
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Which is of course how it should be done:-
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Dr P you are certainly tenacious and stubborn, I'll give you that. |  | | |
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| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 07:59 - Nov 6 by Treforys_Jack |
Dr P you are certainly tenacious and stubborn, I'll give you that. |
It’s just common sense.
We have evidence of fraudulent activity. It’s a tight race, these should be investigated.
That’s all I’m saying and it’s the common sense stance that any fan of democracy should be championing.
...Except some are putting their hate for Trump before democracy, which is what the issue may be on a broader scale. An investigation will reveal whether that is the case or not. [Post edited 6 Nov 2020 8:19]
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