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Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot.
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
What’s with the spamming of leftist opinion pieces?
Try and keep this a decent discussion chaps. I’m sure we can all agree spamming the thread with other people’s opinion really isn’t helping the discussion. If it is actual developing news, or a video of clip of a primary source then that’s all good.
But surely in a discussion( your own opinion is something more valuable than someone else’s?
Come on Groo, you are better than that.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Some dangerous, dangerous posts on the other site yet again today. Phil really needs to get a grip on that site. Or at least on that poster that uses words he doesn’t understand, acey or whatever he calls himself.
Saying that Tummer from Texas (poster of the year on here a few years back and all round nice chap) would be lining up to load people onto trains and watch governments commit atrocities. Reprehensible stuff.
It is in fact the dehumanising of political opposition as he regularly does that leads to such atrocities as loading people into trains. Just like when he expanded the meaning of fascist to encapsulate “anyone who disagrees with me” and suggest they would be better off dead. It’s this complete lack of self awareness and political intolerance that was synonymous with the leftist oppression in the 1920’s, 30’s and 40’s in Italy and Germany.
There was also a comment on there regarding Hillary still not conceding the 2016 election and that republicans aren’t ever “likely” to win the popular vote.
1) Democrats have won the popular vote 7 of the last 8 elections. You have to go back 4 or 5 decades until you find a Republican that would go into the election favourite for the popular vote. That one is just as clear as day.
2) There is a huge difference between conceding and allowing the President to conduct his duties as per the will of the people....
...and verbally conceding only to challenge the President and the election result for the next 4 years. Hillary didn’t have an office to leave, she would have had to be taken out by fireman’s lift, make no mistake.
To this day we are still told Russia won that election despite evidence, probes and investigations to the contrary. Fighting the legitimacy of an election is not conceding it. Compounded with her recent calls to “not concede under any circumstance” - note the key word “any”.
Then we get to the Gorre and Abrahams lack of concession which was openly seen as fine and you have one huge contradictory pie considering they are all now losing their collective minds at the thought of Trump also questioning the legitimacy of the vote.
These people are dangerous.
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Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:36 - Nov 22 by Dr_Parnassus
Some dangerous, dangerous posts on the other site yet again today. Phil really needs to get a grip on that site. Or at least on that poster that uses words he doesn’t understand, acey or whatever he calls himself.
Saying that Tummer from Texas (poster of the year on here a few years back and all round nice chap) would be lining up to load people onto trains and watch governments commit atrocities. Reprehensible stuff.
It is in fact the dehumanising of political opposition as he regularly does that leads to such atrocities as loading people into trains. Just like when he expanded the meaning of fascist to encapsulate “anyone who disagrees with me” and suggest they would be better off dead. It’s this complete lack of self awareness and political intolerance that was synonymous with the leftist oppression in the 1920’s, 30’s and 40’s in Italy and Germany.
There was also a comment on there regarding Hillary still not conceding the 2016 election and that republicans aren’t ever “likely” to win the popular vote.
1) Democrats have won the popular vote 7 of the last 8 elections. You have to go back 4 or 5 decades until you find a Republican that would go into the election favourite for the popular vote. That one is just as clear as day.
2) There is a huge difference between conceding and allowing the President to conduct his duties as per the will of the people....
...and verbally conceding only to challenge the President and the election result for the next 4 years. Hillary didn’t have an office to leave, she would have had to be taken out by fireman’s lift, make no mistake.
To this day we are still told Russia won that election despite evidence, probes and investigations to the contrary. Fighting the legitimacy of an election is not conceding it. Compounded with her recent calls to “not concede under any circumstance” - note the key word “any”.
Then we get to the Gorre and Abrahams lack of concession which was openly seen as fine and you have one huge contradictory pie considering they are all now losing their collective minds at the thought of Trump also questioning the legitimacy of the vote.
These people are dangerous.
[Post edited 22 Nov 2020 18:03]
I have just watched a video of someone analysing the actual data from the election showing how the voting machines rigged the results. It is truly eye opening and quite shocking in how blatant it was.
[Post edited 28 Nov 2020 17:21]
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:51 - Nov 22 with 1571 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:23 - Nov 22 by A_Fans_Dad
I have just watched a video of someone analysing the actual data from the election showing how the voting machines rigged the results. It is truly eye opening and quite shocking in how blatant it was.
[Post edited 28 Nov 2020 17:21]
The thing is I am still waiting to see actual proof, so are countless judges across various States.
Groo does what Groo does best
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 19:51 - Nov 22 with 1571 views
There was certainly some really odd data and statistical trends. Way outside the realms of what one would call normal or expected. But I will keep my powder dry on abuse of Dominion until Sidney releases her evidence and I can weigh it all up.
What I will say however, is that the system is widely known to be easily corruptible and even leading Democrats were raising questions regarding Dominion and how insecure it was in 2019, so anyone pretending this is some Republican “Hail Mary” really hasn’t been paying attention.
The thing with statistical anomalies is, while they are extremely, extremely unlikely - they are still technically possible. So she would need more than statistical trend in my opinion as people in law often don’t understand probability as much as they should. OJ Simpson was a free man even though the probability of two people having the same DNA was around 70 trillion to one.
So when it comes to statistics and probability, I don’t have a lot of faith in the justice system that they make reasonable decisions. So I do hope the case doesn’t rely on it.
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Well, I suggest that you and Groo watch the video for yourselves, pat particular attention the the actual vote counts while listening to the guy explaining the vote ratios and transfers. If that doesn't convince you that soemthing is wrong nothing will.
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:12 - Nov 22 by A_Fans_Dad
Well, I suggest that you and Groo watch the video for yourselves, pat particular attention the the actual vote counts while listening to the guy explaining the vote ratios and transfers. If that doesn't convince you that soemthing is wrong nothing will.
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 17:36 - Nov 22 by Dr_Parnassus
Some dangerous, dangerous posts on the other site yet again today. Phil really needs to get a grip on that site. Or at least on that poster that uses words he doesn’t understand, acey or whatever he calls himself.
Saying that Tummer from Texas (poster of the year on here a few years back and all round nice chap) would be lining up to load people onto trains and watch governments commit atrocities. Reprehensible stuff.
It is in fact the dehumanising of political opposition as he regularly does that leads to such atrocities as loading people into trains. Just like when he expanded the meaning of fascist to encapsulate “anyone who disagrees with me” and suggest they would be better off dead. It’s this complete lack of self awareness and political intolerance that was synonymous with the leftist oppression in the 1920’s, 30’s and 40’s in Italy and Germany.
There was also a comment on there regarding Hillary still not conceding the 2016 election and that republicans aren’t ever “likely” to win the popular vote.
1) Democrats have won the popular vote 7 of the last 8 elections. You have to go back 4 or 5 decades until you find a Republican that would go into the election favourite for the popular vote. That one is just as clear as day.
2) There is a huge difference between conceding and allowing the President to conduct his duties as per the will of the people....
...and verbally conceding only to challenge the President and the election result for the next 4 years. Hillary didn’t have an office to leave, she would have had to be taken out by fireman’s lift, make no mistake.
To this day we are still told Russia won that election despite evidence, probes and investigations to the contrary. Fighting the legitimacy of an election is not conceding it. Compounded with her recent calls to “not concede under any circumstance” - note the key word “any”.
Then we get to the Gorre and Abrahams lack of concession which was openly seen as fine and you have one huge contradictory pie considering they are all now losing their collective minds at the thought of Trump also questioning the legitimacy of the vote.
These people are dangerous.
[Post edited 22 Nov 2020 18:03]
Why don’t you just join the other site?
‘……. like a moth to Itchy’s flame ……’
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:15 - Nov 22 by Groo
I will look at it after, but if are you telling me its compelling unreptable evidence of vote rigging, then why has it not been shown to a judge?
Or are you saying it has but the judges are corrupted democrats who judge against proof?
They keep saying the have evidence, they haven’t shown any evidence. The dangerous ones here are Trump and his fan club. If they’d have won the system would have worked just fine.
‘……. like a moth to Itchy’s flame ……’
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:33 - Nov 22 by ItchySphincter
Why don’t you just join the other site?
I don't agree with how Phil runs his forums.
To be a member of a forum that openly makes comments like that is not something I am interested in, but as always they are welcome to discuss the topics here where there is clear restrictions on such hateful and dangerous rhetoric.
But they tend to run away the moment they are asked to explain anything deeper than their wafer thin knowledge of their leftist sound bites. Go figure.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:15 - Nov 22 by Groo
I will look at it after, but if are you telling me its compelling unreptable evidence of vote rigging, then why has it not been shown to a judge?
Or are you saying it has but the judges are corrupted democrats who judge against proof?
I have no idea who has seen the evidence other than 1000s of twitterati and forum people. But I do know that it will become part of the evidence presented.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:49 - Nov 22 with 1507 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:36 - Nov 22 by ItchySphincter
They keep saying the have evidence, they haven’t shown any evidence. The dangerous ones here are Trump and his fan club. If they’d have won the system would have worked just fine.
It's dangerous to state you have evidence and decide not to show those on Swansea Independent but in the courts?
In what way is that dangerous? Specifically.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:42 - Nov 22 by Dr_Parnassus
I don't agree with how Phil runs his forums.
To be a member of a forum that openly makes comments like that is not something I am interested in, but as always they are welcome to discuss the topics here where there is clear restrictions on such hateful and dangerous rhetoric.
But they tend to run away the moment they are asked to explain anything deeper than their wafer thin knowledge of their leftist sound bites. Go figure.
Why don't you take a look at the video, which shows the actual recorded, minute by, minute voting totals that were entered. Now if you think that that exactly, and I mean exactly the same ratio of votes and patterns of votes over the period of hours for different voting stations then nothing will persuade you. Here is an example. 335 biden 86 Trump repeated time after time 104 to 76 repeated for a period of time. Then we have groups repeated 280 biden 6 trump 229 to 5 326 to 7 47 to 1 That exact group is repeated time after time and the ratio for the group is 47 to 1.
Can you see any circumstances where the exact same numbers and groups can be repeated during a count of thousands totally mixed votes? Can you see any circumstances where that ratio of 47 votes to biden and 1 to trump can then suddenly switch to 3 other voting areas?
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 21:32 - Nov 22 with 1480 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:55 - Nov 22 by A_Fans_Dad
Why don't you take a look at the video, which shows the actual recorded, minute by, minute voting totals that were entered. Now if you think that that exactly, and I mean exactly the same ratio of votes and patterns of votes over the period of hours for different voting stations then nothing will persuade you. Here is an example. 335 biden 86 Trump repeated time after time 104 to 76 repeated for a period of time. Then we have groups repeated 280 biden 6 trump 229 to 5 326 to 7 47 to 1 That exact group is repeated time after time and the ratio for the group is 47 to 1.
Can you see any circumstances where the exact same numbers and groups can be repeated during a count of thousands totally mixed votes? Can you see any circumstances where that ratio of 47 votes to biden and 1 to trump can then suddenly switch to 3 other voting areas?
[Post edited 22 Nov 2020 22:40]
Yeah sounds horrific if it can be verified. I'm in work at the moment so unable to watch it as it looks a lengthy one, but will take a look later.
The problem with these statistical impossibilities (essentially) is that if there is even the smallest chance it can be naturally occurring, that may be all the Dems need to get it through.
As I said before, I never underestimate a court when it comes to statistics and probabilities. Obviously the greater the odds the greater the chance it can be converted into proof. It will certainly be the angle they will be going for should what we are hearing be the case.
However, if that is in the public domain and the market is still $1.04 Biden, it suggests it probably isn't as obvious as it sounds.
[Post edited 22 Nov 2020 22:41]
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 20:12 - Nov 22 by A_Fans_Dad
Well, I suggest that you and Groo watch the video for yourselves, pat particular attention the the actual vote counts while listening to the guy explaining the vote ratios and transfers. If that doesn't convince you that soemthing is wrong nothing will.
HARRISBURG, Pa. - Pennsylvania Representative Seth Grove did not mince words in Harrisburg Friday after a roundtable discussion with Dominion Voting Systems was canceled overnight. Dominion says it is under litigation and can not answer questions at this time.
"Today I am saddened to report to the taxpayers of Pennsylvania and the 1.3 million voters who used Dominion voting that Dominion has hung you out to dry and slapped you in your faces," Grove said.
Dominion Voting Systems first came under fire shortly after the election. President Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani has attempted to say the software Dominion uses has ties to Venezuela, and there were glitches in the software that might have switched votes.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 23:32 - Nov 22 by Groo
There appears to be some confussion as PA don't use Dominion.
This is from someone's tweet, I've not fact checked.
"Um, Philadelphia’s voting machines were supplied by ES&S (which has donated $30k to the GOP since 2013), not Dominion. nybooks.com/daily/2018/11/…"
Providing the data is correct and I can't see how it isnt, it would be hard for someone to produce 80,000 individual records then it is immaterial what machines were used. The data shows clearly that almost impossible voting occurred, it must be billions to one that those repeating groups could be naturally occurring. Perhaps when you have looked at the data you will agree.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 10:59 - Nov 23 with 1298 views
Since the “fine people on both sides” myth. Anyone who believes the media narrative needs to give their head a wobble.
That has been debunked to death with the actual video and full transcript readily available yet it still made it to the debates and even formed one of the questions. Reprehensible.
The media lost their right to report on politics from that moment onwards and the fact they are still doing so and twisting legal and constitutional challenges is something that needs a massive review and overhaul.
The media really are the 4th branch of Government, unelected democrats controlling the narrative.
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Here is another smoking gun, this time Wayne county. It starts talking election stats at the 20 minute mark up to 38 minutes. Yet another real eye opener.
It would appear that this is part of a series where he has looked the election. I will try and find the others.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 12:39 - Nov 23 with 1269 views
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 11:54 - Nov 23 by A_Fans_Dad
Here is another smoking gun, this time Wayne county. It starts talking election stats at the 20 minute mark up to 38 minutes. Yet another real eye opener.
It would appear that this is part of a series where he has looked the election. I will try and find the others.
[Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:15]
It’s not so much a smoking gun, more like a broken video.
Edit: it’s working now
[Post edited 23 Nov 2020 14:42]
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:00 - Nov 23 by ItchySphincter
Sidney Powell.
Oh dear.
I have no idea why you are rolling on the floor, because Sidney Powell has made it clear from the beginning that she is not on Trump's "Legal" team. She is NOT being paid for her Investigation.
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