| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast 18:12 - Oct 28 with 8566 views | builthjack |
And still some, including plenty on this site, think everywhere should be open and we should carry on as normal. Fools. |  |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 11:50 - Oct 29 with 1100 views | Professor |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 10:57 - Oct 29 by majorraglan |
A lot of people will recover from it, but it looks like the virus could cause longer term health problems. |
There are a lot of longer term effects, perhaps in 10% or more of people infected. We don't even know the extent yet
I wish people would stop this live/die binary nonsense. Its a serious infection in many. |  | | |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 12:44 - Oct 29 with 1083 views | exhmrc1 |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 21:09 - Oct 28 by Catullus |
I'm not downplaying it but there weren't 37 deaths today, the news said many of those died at the weekend but the reporting hadn't caught up until today.
Maybe cases are rising so fat because the Senedd were slow to do something. We can't just open back up on the 9th, not if cases are still rising. They need to do something long term and people will have to suck it up.
PS, when you talk about students, it's not just Uni, this is spreading in, it's schools too.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/school-coronavirus-covid-cases-isol
There's been confirmed cases in Dwr Y Felin so that's Cadoxton and Bryncoch. |
The issue is that there are far more cases in the general public in Wales than students. You are right about schools. Cwmtawe have a case and Maesydderwen did a couple of weeks ago but it tends to be 1 or 2 cases in schools. I was told on Monday there are 2 cases on my street. Both nurses in Morriston. On the weekend I was told of another girl in the village who had. A month ago one of my mates and his wife had it. 2 members of my family currently have it.
It acts differently on people. Last week a girl in Ynysmeudw had it and died. Her only medical condition was type 2 diabetes. She was fostering kids. Despite Andy's comments about people she was likely to live many years not likely to die in the next 3 months. Her father was 88 had it and survived and her daughter who was a nurse also had it. It just shows that it affects people differently.
As far as deaths rates are concerned there are 2 different methods used. The reporting date which is what PHW rates and that shows 37 cases and the actual dates of death or when tests are actual. Due to the delays in reporting deaths they will often relate to several days particularly over weekends when recording of deaths is often done on Mondays and is included on Tuesday or Wednesdays figures. This is not new and has happened since the start of the pandemic. The last time there was really high figures based on reporting dates was 44 on 2 May. Every day since then has been lower than yesterday's figures.
As far as students are concerned the evidence across Wales is that they form small amounts. Of the 10 cases I have listed none are students. | | | |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 13:04 - Oct 29 with 1069 views | pikeypaul |
Look on the positive side,deaths from influenza are down 70%.
I wonder why?
Back to the OP , I drove along Mumbles rd on Monday,the promenade was like a sunny August Bank holiday Monday, no one socially distancing and about 1 in 10 wearing masks.
So if the people are not going to take the advice and direction what can you expect.the same fecking idiots who are probably complaining about everything and anything since in their eyes its a great pandemic to exploit and politicise.
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 18:28 - Oct 29 with 1037 views | controversial_jack |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 13:04 - Oct 29 by pikeypaul |
Look on the positive side,deaths from influenza are down 70%.
I wonder why?
Back to the OP , I drove along Mumbles rd on Monday,the promenade was like a sunny August Bank holiday Monday, no one socially distancing and about 1 in 10 wearing masks.
So if the people are not going to take the advice and direction what can you expect.the same fecking idiots who are probably complaining about everything and anything since in their eyes its a great pandemic to exploit and politicise.
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Could be a few reasons. The vulnerable have already been killed off. Most ppl are socialy distancing themselves, most are wearing masks in public and hygiene has improved | | | |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 18:47 - Oct 29 with 1028 views | Highjack |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 10:49 - Oct 29 by controversial_jack |
I don't believe it has caused a significant rise in suicides |
Who mentioned suicides? |  |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 18:49 - Oct 29 with 1025 views | shingle |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 18:28 - Oct 29 by controversial_jack |
Could be a few reasons. The vulnerable have already been killed off. Most ppl are socialy distancing themselves, most are wearing masks in public and hygiene has improved |
Could be a few reasons, well what a shocker, mate you really are a dimwit of vast proportions.  | | | |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:06 - Oct 29 with 1009 views | Andy1300 |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 22:29 - Oct 28 by builthjack |
They should close us down for 12-18months. Whats more important, money or life? Life every time. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 23:49]
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Are you real? 6 months?
People need jobs, people need a life, a 6 month lockdown dis fine if you don’t have a job, are retired, are in a care home etc etc.
I’m pretty sure most small businesses would not survive a six month lockdown.
As has been said, most will not be ill, let alone need hospitalisation or will die.
People need a sense of perspective because plenty more are Now losing their lives through other causes.
But yeah, let’s have a 6 month lockdown! |  |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:08 - Oct 29 with 1005 views | Boundy |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 10:49 - Oct 29 by controversial_jack |
I don't believe it has caused a significant rise in suicides |
What you believe and what you know can be poles apart . I do wish you'd stop generalising . | |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:09 - Oct 29 with 1005 views | Andy1300 |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 21:45 - Oct 28 by onehunglow |
99% really.
Speak to a family whom covid has hit lethally.
Our problem is people underestimating covid.
Our comfortable safe little empire world shattered by a pandemic.
Have a look at the rate in France right now .
Still,we kid ourselves and it is killing us |
Did you watch that video posted by Jack2Jack?
I still don’t know anyone who has had covid and been ill, I still do t know anyone who died after a positive test.
The figures are overinflated because any death within 28 days of a positive test is added to the death count, at a guess, most were other causes. | |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:12 - Oct 29 with 1001 views | Andy1300 |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 10:49 - Oct 29 by controversial_jack |
I don't believe it has caused a significant rise in suicides |
Dear me. | |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:14 - Oct 29 with 1000 views | Andy1300 |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 03:06 - Oct 29 by angryjack |
Too many people think that if you get it, it's a death sentence and they will die in a week or two, when in reality 99% get over it ,I think it's really being blown out of proportion, and I do have some one close who have had it |
The media have spooked the public to such an extent, they will never get back to normal. | |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:16 - Oct 29 with 999 views | Boundy |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:09 - Oct 29 by Andy1300 |
Did you watch that video posted by Jack2Jack?
I still don’t know anyone who has had covid and been ill, I still do t know anyone who died after a positive test.
The figures are overinflated because any death within 28 days of a positive test is added to the death count, at a guess, most were other causes. |
I'm afraid to say I do , young healthy guy & his wife I work with at present on the sick who's totally wiped out . my granddaughter & boyfriend early this year again had a big impact on their health but thankfully ok now and my mother in law who sadly passed away with the virus recorded as being the cause ( that's for another debate). | |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:22 - Oct 29 with 990 views | Andy1300 |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 18:28 - Oct 29 by controversial_jack |
Could be a few reasons. The vulnerable have already been killed off. Most ppl are socialy distancing themselves, most are wearing masks in public and hygiene has improved |
Nah, it’s all down to covid now, nothing else kills or is treated now! | |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:24 - Oct 29 with 988 views | Andy1300 |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:16 - Oct 29 by Boundy |
I'm afraid to say I do , young healthy guy & his wife I work with at present on the sick who's totally wiped out . my granddaughter & boyfriend early this year again had a big impact on their health but thankfully ok now and my mother in law who sadly passed away with the virus recorded as being the cause ( that's for another debate). |
Sorry to hear this. | |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 20:12 - Oct 29 with 971 views | Boundy |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:24 - Oct 29 by Andy1300 |
Sorry to hear this. |
Thanks , although my mother in law prior to the infection was fine , she was still 93 so I can appreciate that it may have been her time , my wife on the other hand doesn't and I certainly wouldn't say any different. My granddaughter's 20 and she was in a bad way so yes there are examples out there as we know of, of no ,mild or severe symptoms . I guess its just luck at the end of the day . | |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 20:35 - Oct 29 with 959 views | Highjack |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 18:28 - Oct 29 by controversial_jack |
Could be a few reasons. The vulnerable have already been killed off. Most ppl are socialy distancing themselves, most are wearing masks in public and hygiene has improved |
If the vulnerable have already been killed off then why are we still in lockdown? | |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 20:39 - Oct 29 with 957 views | jack2jack |
Can I just say that I genuinely feel for anyone who has contracted this virus or succumbed to its awful.
I think a lot of points that have been made on here are more than valid.
I would agree that the continual bombardment of the media and indeed government with the negatives have been completely overplayed, there is already signs that people's mental health is beginning to suffer, and it's my opinion that there needs to be an exit strategy from the government to actually help people get over the trauma of this situation, and I'm not joking.
As to lockdowns there is little or no evidence to suggest that these actually work, indeed from what I've read The WHO do not support such wholesale action.
Also this vaccine when and if it ever appears, and I mean one that's actually affective and properly clinically trialed, is it actually going to stop people dying of this probably not, help yes, but I still maintain that even with this vaccine we may have to live along side this, possibly forever, as we do with flu etc.
I also think that people tolerance is waining, there is no exit strategy or alternative to this, apart from lockdown after lockdown, this latest one I fear will achieve nothing although that is yet to be determined. And yet it seems that this will be the case until a vaccine is found.
I've yet to speak to anyone who hasn't had enough, patience is wearing thin.
You can agree or disagree with the above, I'm not bothered, as I know there are two camps to this argument. Just my point of view, that is all. |  | | |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 21:06 - Oct 29 with 942 views | Catullus |
Suicides have been rising yer on year anyway but the pandemic has caused a backlog of inquests so the actual number during all this isn't accurately known.
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3431#:~:text=The%20ONS%20also%20published%2
Myself and my wife know 6 people who've had covid, 2 died, one was a former colleague and friend of my wife, the other was a neighbour who was 70 plus and not in great health. | |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 21:49 - Oct 29 with 932 views | Neath_Jack |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 20:39 - Oct 29 by jack2jack |
Can I just say that I genuinely feel for anyone who has contracted this virus or succumbed to its awful.
I think a lot of points that have been made on here are more than valid.
I would agree that the continual bombardment of the media and indeed government with the negatives have been completely overplayed, there is already signs that people's mental health is beginning to suffer, and it's my opinion that there needs to be an exit strategy from the government to actually help people get over the trauma of this situation, and I'm not joking.
As to lockdowns there is little or no evidence to suggest that these actually work, indeed from what I've read The WHO do not support such wholesale action.
Also this vaccine when and if it ever appears, and I mean one that's actually affective and properly clinically trialed, is it actually going to stop people dying of this probably not, help yes, but I still maintain that even with this vaccine we may have to live along side this, possibly forever, as we do with flu etc.
I also think that people tolerance is waining, there is no exit strategy or alternative to this, apart from lockdown after lockdown, this latest one I fear will achieve nothing although that is yet to be determined. And yet it seems that this will be the case until a vaccine is found.
I've yet to speak to anyone who hasn't had enough, patience is wearing thin.
You can agree or disagree with the above, I'm not bothered, as I know there are two camps to this argument. Just my point of view, that is all. |
When you say "As to lockdowns there is little or no evidence to suggest that these actually work, indeed from what I've read The WHO do not support such wholesale action."
What do you mean by they work, or not?
And the Who, recommend that lockdowns are not used as the primary control. |  |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 21:58 - Oct 29 with 927 views | jack2jack |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 21:49 - Oct 29 by Neath_Jack |
When you say "As to lockdowns there is little or no evidence to suggest that these actually work, indeed from what I've read The WHO do not support such wholesale action."
What do you mean by they work, or not?
And the Who, recommend that lockdowns are not used as the primary control. |
What do you mean what do you mean!
As for The WHO, that's what I suggested, wasn't it? | | | |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 22:12 - Oct 29 with 919 views | ItchySphincter |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:06 - Oct 29 by Andy1300 |
Are you real? 6 months?
People need jobs, people need a life, a 6 month lockdown dis fine if you don’t have a job, are retired, are in a care home etc etc.
I’m pretty sure most small businesses would not survive a six month lockdown.
As has been said, most will not be ill, let alone need hospitalisation or will die.
People need a sense of perspective because plenty more are Now losing their lives through other causes.
But yeah, let’s have a 6 month lockdown! |
It’s nonsense. People who say things like lock down for six months are obviously completely out of touch with real life. It’s a total f*ck you attitude to everyone. The consequences of these lock downs are going to be more deaths than through Covid. It’s a crazy concept because it’s proven not work whilst tanking the economy. |  |
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| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 22:29 - Oct 29 with 907 views | Yyy |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 21:54 - Oct 28 by Jack11 |
I’m in my late 30’s and I’m in decent nick. Not over the top but I watch how I look after myself. I have a mortgage to pay and a young family to support. Work is sporadic. If my home is at risk, my kids financial futures, I’m going to be naturally looking at the bigger picture. Life will continue after this. I will not casually allow my family’s future to be compromised because of something that won’t kill me or anyone in my household. I think people need to look at it from everyone’s perspective. That’s mine, and that’s why I’m saying, get the vulnerable sheltered. Let the rest of us with commitments to get on with our lives. |
You can't reasonably expect all vulnerable to stay sheltered indefinitely,it is effectively putting them under house arrest.in many cases of the elderly that will mean not seeing family or friends before they die.
Are the rules and restrictions pleasant? No they are not,but it is a small price to pay to ensure the most vulnerable of society are not excluded.
Their have also been plenty of covid deaths of people who were other wise fit and healthy. | | | |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 22:32 - Oct 29 with 904 views | controversial_jack |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 20:35 - Oct 29 by Highjack |
If the vulnerable have already been killed off then why are we still in lockdown? |
I don't know, it's just a theory amongst many | | | |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 22:33 - Oct 29 with 903 views | controversial_jack |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 19:08 - Oct 29 by Boundy |
What you believe and what you know can be poles apart . I do wish you'd stop generalising . |
It would be a bit presumptions and arrogant to say i know for certain | | | |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 22:48 - Oct 29 with 891 views | AndyCole |
| Nearly 400 deaths a day and going to rise fast on 22:12 - Oct 29 by ItchySphincter |
It’s nonsense. People who say things like lock down for six months are obviously completely out of touch with real life. It’s a total f*ck you attitude to everyone. The consequences of these lock downs are going to be more deaths than through Covid. It’s a crazy concept because it’s proven not work whilst tanking the economy. |
It's total nonsense. If we take this forum as our little glimpse at reality :
- most of the nonsense is spouted from the vulnerables
- the statos are totally lost up their own backsides - they continuously spout stats without meaning, without thought, rationale or conclusion
- very few of us know of direct hits
- most of us say suck it up, deal with it and get on with our lives
There are some cogent conspiracy theories, but let's not go there just now (that's way too political for this thread)
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