| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) 18:08 - Feb 24 with 6213 views | Gwyn737 |
After the Labour fiasco in Rochdale, 30p Lee Anderson has popped up and will nab the upcoming headlines
So easy for Labour:
1. Former deputy PM loses the whip for being racist in an interview on GB News
2. Between the interview and losing the whip the ONLY Tory MPs to be openly critical were Javid and Ghuni - such an own goal
3. Over the next few days, others will come out and criticise, highlighting the problem further
4. Anderson will probably defect to Reform, taking Tory votes with him
5. Tories will have to pretend to be nastier to try and get those votes back
6. Labour benefit in all areas.
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| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:13 - Feb 24 with 2879 views | onehunglow |
Open the champagne then or Brains dark | |
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| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:31 - Feb 24 with 2859 views | Gwyn737 |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:13 - Feb 24 by onehunglow |
Open the champagne then or Brains dark |
Not for me.
Should Labour win I’d like a strong, functioning opposition | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:47 - Feb 24 with 2837 views | onehunglow |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:31 - Feb 24 by Gwyn737 |
Not for me.
Should Labour win I’d like a strong, functioning opposition |
Honest?
I just see Tory/ class hate ,pure and simple [Post edited 24 Feb 18:47]
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| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:52 - Feb 24 with 2825 views | shingle |
Is it a no no then that those who were reluctantly going to have to vote for Labour because they have had enough of the Tories may be swayed by Reform, surely any logical thinking people must be realising the countries decline will continue if either Labour or the Tories govern us, history tells us that, but there is nothing to tell us how Reform would get on, so why not give them a go, if they fail like the other two have, simply vote them out next time, at least the public tried something different. | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:54 - Feb 24 with 2821 views | Gwyn737 |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:47 - Feb 24 by onehunglow |
Honest?
I just see Tory/ class hate ,pure and simple [Post edited 24 Feb 18:47]
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Nope.
I can’t do with this current incarnation of the Tory party but that’s incidental.
I’m pretty sure I’ve never made a classist post. | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:56 - Feb 24 with 2810 views | onehunglow |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:54 - Feb 24 by Gwyn737 |
Nope.
I can’t do with this current incarnation of the Tory party but that’s incidental.
I’m pretty sure I’ve never made a classist post. |
Didn’t say YOU have
You’re a class above,in all seriousness
But,yiu have to admit they abound | |
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| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 19:04 - Feb 24 with 2809 views | Wingstandwood |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:52 - Feb 24 by shingle |
Is it a no no then that those who were reluctantly going to have to vote for Labour because they have had enough of the Tories may be swayed by Reform, surely any logical thinking people must be realising the countries decline will continue if either Labour or the Tories govern us, history tells us that, but there is nothing to tell us how Reform would get on, so why not give them a go, if they fail like the other two have, simply vote them out next time, at least the public tried something different. |
I ponder if The Reform Party ends becoming the ultimate protest-vote party for the disenfranchised in the same way The Brexit Party did during the EU (ouch!)
elections?
The Reform Party is currently unknown and under the radar to a lot of people, BUT high profile defections, would I guess be very welcome occurrences for the party machine/strategists. The oxygen of publicity thingy? |  |
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| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 19:06 - Feb 24 with 2803 views | Gwyn737 |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:52 - Feb 24 by shingle |
Is it a no no then that those who were reluctantly going to have to vote for Labour because they have had enough of the Tories may be swayed by Reform, surely any logical thinking people must be realising the countries decline will continue if either Labour or the Tories govern us, history tells us that, but there is nothing to tell us how Reform would get on, so why not give them a go, if they fail like the other two have, simply vote them out next time, at least the public tried something different. |
I think it’s unlikely based on what we’ve seen so far.
It’s a pretty big leap from deserting the Conservative Party to labour then going completely the other way with Reform.
Best estimate is reform will end up with 10 - 15% and any increase with come from the Tory share.
If (and it’s a big if) Anderson jumps ship, Reform will have a bit of a bump.
It won’t be significant though I wouldn’t have thought. | | | |
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| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 19:07 - Feb 24 with 2800 views | Gwyn737 |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 19:04 - Feb 24 by Wingstandwood |
I ponder if The Reform Party ends becoming the ultimate protest-vote party for the disenfranchised in the same way The Brexit Party did during the EU (ouch!)
elections?
The Reform Party is currently unknown and under the radar to a lot of people, BUT high profile defections, would I guess be very welcome occurrences for the party machine/strategists. The oxygen of publicity thingy? |
Possibly but the Brexit party had a big USP.
I don’t see that with Reform. Yet. | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 22:00 - Feb 24 with 2739 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
I have no idea how on earth people like Anderson and the Ali bloke get selected. There is something fundamentally wrong with our politics. You'd never employ these people in any responsible position after a decent interview.
What fcuk is going on? |  |
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| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 06:06 - Feb 25 with 2673 views | YrAlarch |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:31 - Feb 24 by Gwyn737 |
Not for me.
Should Labour win I’d like a strong, functioning opposition |
Absolutely, not a bunch of nutters.
That's also what the Senedd needs. | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 07:33 - Feb 25 with 2657 views | PawelAbbott |
It's hugely unlikely that Reform will go from zero MPs to winning the election. They look likely to split the Tory vote, which will then either give a landslide to Labour but without Labour having gained more voters than last time.
Or, far worse, Reform win a large number of seats and we have a Tory / Reform coalition for 5 more years | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 08:06 - Feb 25 with 2632 views | Whiterockin |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 07:33 - Feb 25 by PawelAbbott |
It's hugely unlikely that Reform will go from zero MPs to winning the election. They look likely to split the Tory vote, which will then either give a landslide to Labour but without Labour having gained more voters than last time.
Or, far worse, Reform win a large number of seats and we have a Tory / Reform coalition for 5 more years |
Reform could well hold the balance at the next GE. |  | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 10:19 - Feb 25 with 2578 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 18:52 - Feb 24 by shingle |
Is it a no no then that those who were reluctantly going to have to vote for Labour because they have had enough of the Tories may be swayed by Reform, surely any logical thinking people must be realising the countries decline will continue if either Labour or the Tories govern us, history tells us that, but there is nothing to tell us how Reform would get on, so why not give them a go, if they fail like the other two have, simply vote them out next time, at least the public tried something different. |
And I agree. A definition of madness is repeating the same things over and over and expecting a different result. Thsi country is on a bad road and has been for decades, the rate of decay is accelerating.
We have to try something different, we have to give different people a chance. Im not really one for reading manifesto's but maybe I should have a closer look at what Reform actually stand for? | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 10:23 - Feb 25 with 2576 views | builthjack |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 22:00 - Feb 24 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I have no idea how on earth people like Anderson and the Ali bloke get selected. There is something fundamentally wrong with our politics. You'd never employ these people in any responsible position after a decent interview.
What fcuk is going on? |
Johnson got elected. Even though he has lied his way through life. Always.
People get blinded. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 11:13 - Feb 25 with 2554 views | Gwyn737 |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 10:19 - Feb 25 by SullutaCreturned |
And I agree. A definition of madness is repeating the same things over and over and expecting a different result. Thsi country is on a bad road and has been for decades, the rate of decay is accelerating.
We have to try something different, we have to give different people a chance. Im not really one for reading manifesto's but maybe I should have a closer look at what Reform actually stand for? |
They just want their country back, Cat.
Their manifesto on education is a case in point. Have read. Doesn’t mention education at all.
Load of populist soundbites with no substance to be seen.
Edit: he’s the bit of the manifesto in it’s entirety:
1. A commitment not to shut schools in the future (in situations like the COVID-19 pandemic)
2. Banning the teaching of critical race theory and gender 'ideology', and keeping sex education age-appropriate [Post edited 25 Feb 11:16]
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| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 11:34 - Feb 25 with 2537 views | JumpingJackFlash |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 08:06 - Feb 25 by Whiterockin |
Reform could well hold the balance at the next GE. |
I very much doubt that they’ll get a single MP | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 12:59 - Feb 25 with 2512 views | Whiterockin |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 10:23 - Feb 25 by builthjack |
Johnson got elected. Even though he has lied his way through life. Always.
People get blinded. |
Johnson got elected because he promised to deliver what the British public wanted at the time. Simple as that really. | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 14:27 - Feb 25 with 2477 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 11:34 - Feb 25 by JumpingJackFlash |
I very much doubt that they’ll get a single MP |
They may not BUT they may take a lot of votes off the tories. You don't have to win seats to affect results. | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 14:53 - Feb 25 with 2460 views | JumpingJackFlash |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 14:27 - Feb 25 by SullutaCreturned |
They may not BUT they may take a lot of votes off the tories. You don't have to win seats to affect results. |
They may well split the Tory vote. I see they would welcome 30p Lee to the fold and no doubt they will attract the racist, climate change denying wing of the Conservative support. | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 19:54 - Feb 25 with 2398 views | Gwyn737 |
She wants to reform the discounts put in place by Cameron’s government in 2012.
She sold her house in 2007. | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 21:13 - Feb 25 with 2375 views | Boundy |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 19:54 - Feb 25 by Gwyn737 |
She wants to reform the discounts put in place by Cameron’s government in 2012.
She sold her house in 2007. |
A quick flip then | |
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| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 21:20 - Feb 25 with 2371 views | Gwyn737 |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 21:13 - Feb 25 by Boundy |
A quick flip then |
She was in the house for 7 years.
She then bought it at a 25% discount with the right to buy scheme.
She has come out in support of reducing the 2012 policy that allows discounts of up to 60%, which she says is too much in an increasing squeezed overall housing stock.
I don’t see any hypocrisy. | | | |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 08:26 - Feb 26 with 2299 views | Boundy |
| Tories shoot themselves in the foot (again) on 21:20 - Feb 25 by Gwyn737 |
She was in the house for 7 years.
She then bought it at a 25% discount with the right to buy scheme.
She has come out in support of reducing the 2012 policy that allows discounts of up to 60%, which she says is too much in an increasing squeezed overall housing stock.
I don’t see any hypocrisy. |
one persons discount is another persons example of unreasonable discount . It stinks of hypocrisy and I believe more will be revealed .
I'm not a tory voter so I have no axe to grind but to make statements like I saved hard and a it was a proud moment when she purchased the house, but she and Labour are denying the same right to others | |
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