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Estimates but I've seen this graphic on Reddit from the Athletic.
£110.9m for Southampton for coming last. Our entire turnover for the 2024 accounting year was £25.9m.
Absolutely, utterly, impossible to compete. Ridiculous state of affairs really.
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Don't get me wrong, most of the PL owners, from USA at least, would move to Venus, if they thought that would bring in more money. But why leave England, where all the money already is?
While the PL continues to pull ever further away from the other big leagues, with no sign of that changing - see eg Chelsea (4th in the PL) hammering Betis (6th in La Liga) again tonight.
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In your own words:
"The UK market for PL broadcasting rights has plateaued"
If there's loads more money to be made elsewhere then that's where you go.
According to this NFL teams pull in way more than EPL teams:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue [Post edited 28 May 22:19]
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Er, the domestic market has plateaued (for now), but overseas markets are worth more than ever, with no sign of abating.
And if USA is such a desirable location than England for PL clubs to move to, why are US broadcasters paying unprecedented sums to broadcast English clubs, from England, often at highly unsocial hours?
While there is another factor. Almost all the PL clubs, incl those owned by Yanks*, are spending gazillions expanding/redeveloping/moving their stadia. A new stadium, with a likely shelf-life of 50(?) years, will typically be financed over 25 years or more.
So why would they spend all that money on infrastructure (training grounds, too), if they were hoping to relocate to another country in the foreseeable future?
Simply doesn't make sense.
* - Incl even Khan at little 'ol Fulham. He already owns the Jacksonville Jaguars, tried to buy Wembley, but has still just spent over £100m on a single stand at the Cottage. How long d'ya think he's calculated it will take him to get that money back? | | | |
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Er, the domestic market has plateaued (for now), but overseas markets are worth more than ever, with no sign of abating.
And if USA is such a desirable location than England for PL clubs to move to, why are US broadcasters paying unprecedented sums to broadcast English clubs, from England, often at highly unsocial hours?
While there is another factor. Almost all the PL clubs, incl those owned by Yanks*, are spending gazillions expanding/redeveloping/moving their stadia. A new stadium, with a likely shelf-life of 50(?) years, will typically be financed over 25 years or more.
So why would they spend all that money on infrastructure (training grounds, too), if they were hoping to relocate to another country in the foreseeable future?
Simply doesn't make sense.
* - Incl even Khan at little 'ol Fulham. He already owns the Jacksonville Jaguars, tried to buy Wembley, but has still just spent over £100m on a single stand at the Cottage. How long d'ya think he's calculated it will take him to get that money back? |
Khan wanted Wembley to move his NFL franchise here.
Spurs have also talked about hosting an NFL franchise.
NFL league games are already being played in Europe - despite the huge sums NFL franchises already make back home.
Sport is becoming global.
The French equivalent of the Community Shield has only been played in France twice since 2008, and one of those was the covid year. Every other year it has been hawked all around the globe. Mostly in former French colonies but also in Peking, Tel Aviv, USA, etc.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troph%C3%A9e_des_champions_(football)
And don't forget the controversial "Game 39".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_39
There's nothing new in the EPL wanting to export its product.
Certain EPL clubs have massive following in Asia, for example. If one of the PL clubs decided to relocate there to play in a pan-national league they would clean up and governments and cities would be bending over backwards to entice them to come.
The United States has a long history of this. Originally baseball was just played in the Eastern states but when improved transport opened up new markets on the West Coast many clubs upped sticks and went there, at massive cost but also with massive incentives and inducements.
And that's just American sports.
Football (soccer) is the world's game, it could be generating revenues that dwarf anything NFL or NBA clubs could hope to achieve. Instead it lags a long way behind. [Post edited 28 May 23:08]
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The phrase "financial fair play" which we have abide to since being handed a £42 million fine is truly a phrase where you ask , "financial fair play" for who exactly.
Southampton being handed £110.9million for almost being the worst ever premier league side in history, whereas the likes of ourselves are thinking of selling a guy that's been on loan and performed if we get more than £3 million for.
This is an industry that is totally corrupt.
How many more seasons do we need to see the top of the championship simply keep replacing the bottom of the premiership and vice versa.
Before rules become fairer for all. [Post edited 28 May 23:37]
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Khan wanted Wembley to move his NFL franchise here.
Spurs have also talked about hosting an NFL franchise.
NFL league games are already being played in Europe - despite the huge sums NFL franchises already make back home.
Sport is becoming global.
The French equivalent of the Community Shield has only been played in France twice since 2008, and one of those was the covid year. Every other year it has been hawked all around the globe. Mostly in former French colonies but also in Peking, Tel Aviv, USA, etc.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troph%C3%A9e_des_champions_(football)
And don't forget the controversial "Game 39".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_39
There's nothing new in the EPL wanting to export its product.
Certain EPL clubs have massive following in Asia, for example. If one of the PL clubs decided to relocate there to play in a pan-national league they would clean up and governments and cities would be bending over backwards to entice them to come.
The United States has a long history of this. Originally baseball was just played in the Eastern states but when improved transport opened up new markets on the West Coast many clubs upped sticks and went there, at massive cost but also with massive incentives and inducements.
And that's just American sports.
Football (soccer) is the world's game, it could be generating revenues that dwarf anything NFL or NBA clubs could hope to achieve. Instead it lags a long way behind. [Post edited 28 May 23:08]
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Spurs would indeed like to host an NFL Franchise. But how does that indicate they also foresee moving their football team to the USA? Simple fact is, they've spent a billion quid on a football stadium, with NFL being a mere side hustle (NFL sides typically play just 8 or 9 regular season games at home).
There is not a hope in hell that Levy foresees even the slightest chance of moving away from England before the stadium is paid off. Same for all the other PL teams who've spent/are spending serious money on their stadia.
As for NFL teams playing outside USA, so what? Doesn't mean they're going to swaphomes with the PL.
As for the French Community Shield, no-one gives a sh1t about that, they could play it in Milton Keynes for all anyone cares. Either way, it has ZERO relevance to the staging of a PL season comprising 380 games, in sold-out stadia at sky-high prices, and televised all round the world.
As for Game 39, that has been mooted for years now, with no sign of it happening. Indeed PL boss Richard Scudamore ruled it out as far back as 2011, after his initial championing of it ruined his reputation:
https://talksport.com/football/premier-league/20472/exclusive-scudamore-says-39t
While FIFA, the FA and the new Government regulator are all/will be firmly against it.
As for NFL and NBA revenues dwarfing football's, why are so many of those self-same sports' owners falling over themselves to buy English football clubs which play in England, and investing huge sums over the long term on infrastructure in England? Why aren't they buying MLS franchises instead and building up the game locally?
If they were somehow to get the 14 PL votes needed to move to the USA - and they won't - they'd never get back the billions they've already sunk into bricks and mortar in this country. | | | |
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Spurs would indeed like to host an NFL Franchise. But how does that indicate they also foresee moving their football team to the USA? Simple fact is, they've spent a billion quid on a football stadium, with NFL being a mere side hustle (NFL sides typically play just 8 or 9 regular season games at home).
There is not a hope in hell that Levy foresees even the slightest chance of moving away from England before the stadium is paid off. Same for all the other PL teams who've spent/are spending serious money on their stadia.
As for NFL teams playing outside USA, so what? Doesn't mean they're going to swaphomes with the PL.
As for the French Community Shield, no-one gives a sh1t about that, they could play it in Milton Keynes for all anyone cares. Either way, it has ZERO relevance to the staging of a PL season comprising 380 games, in sold-out stadia at sky-high prices, and televised all round the world.
As for Game 39, that has been mooted for years now, with no sign of it happening. Indeed PL boss Richard Scudamore ruled it out as far back as 2011, after his initial championing of it ruined his reputation:
https://talksport.com/football/premier-league/20472/exclusive-scudamore-says-39t
While FIFA, the FA and the new Government regulator are all/will be firmly against it.
As for NFL and NBA revenues dwarfing football's, why are so many of those self-same sports' owners falling over themselves to buy English football clubs which play in England, and investing huge sums over the long term on infrastructure in England? Why aren't they buying MLS franchises instead and building up the game locally?
If they were somehow to get the 14 PL votes needed to move to the USA - and they won't - they'd never get back the billions they've already sunk into bricks and mortar in this country. |
I didn't say every PL club would be rushing to leave the country.
The NY Yankees didn't follow the baseball exodus west because they didn't need to.
It's not about the whole PL uprooting.
The point is that once you break down the restrictions on football clubs having to play in their home nation (and that has already been challenged in the courts) then you increase the likelihood of pan-national leagues and clubs becoming franchises that can be moved around at the owners whim - as has happened many times already in major American sports.
As for American owners not investing in the MLS.
They go where the money is, and in Europe they are buying massive well established brands that already have a global following. And at a fraction of the cost of buying in to major American sports franchises.
There's another thread on this forum about the Mittals investing $1 billion in the Boston Celtics. That only makes them the second largest shareholder in a takeover valued at $6.1 billion:
https://www.espn.co.uk/nba/story/_/id/45273298/reports-celtics-sale-gets-1b-inve
You could hoover up quite a few top European football clubs for that sort of money.
It's not like the good old days when football nuts like Jim Gregory and Ron Noades invested in their local clubs. Now it's all about hedge funds and investment opportunities.
In recent years the Glazers have been getting into T20 cricket. they even tried and failed to buy an Indian Premier League franchise. I doubt the Glazers know which end of a cricket bat to hold. But they know an investment opportunity when they see it.
None of this is motivated by sport or a love of the game. [Post edited 29 May 0:39]
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I didn't say every PL club would be rushing to leave the country.
The NY Yankees didn't follow the baseball exodus west because they didn't need to.
It's not about the whole PL uprooting.
The point is that once you break down the restrictions on football clubs having to play in their home nation (and that has already been challenged in the courts) then you increase the likelihood of pan-national leagues and clubs becoming franchises that can be moved around at the owners whim - as has happened many times already in major American sports.
As for American owners not investing in the MLS.
They go where the money is, and in Europe they are buying massive well established brands that already have a global following. And at a fraction of the cost of buying in to major American sports franchises.
There's another thread on this forum about the Mittals investing $1 billion in the Boston Celtics. That only makes them the second largest shareholder in a takeover valued at $6.1 billion:
https://www.espn.co.uk/nba/story/_/id/45273298/reports-celtics-sale-gets-1b-inve
You could hoover up quite a few top European football clubs for that sort of money.
It's not like the good old days when football nuts like Jim Gregory and Ron Noades invested in their local clubs. Now it's all about hedge funds and investment opportunities.
In recent years the Glazers have been getting into T20 cricket. they even tried and failed to buy an Indian Premier League franchise. I doubt the Glazers know which end of a cricket bat to hold. But they know an investment opportunity when they see it.
None of this is motivated by sport or a love of the game. [Post edited 29 May 0:39]
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"I didn't say every PL club would be rushing to leave the country."
So if, say, half a dozen decided to move outside England, the other 14 would be delighted to see off some of the competiton and just replace them with half a dozen Championship clubs.
Then who would the exiled clubs play?
While US sports franchises who moved eg from Brooklyn to LA, knew all the other clubs were going to continue to play them.
And as for: "It's not like the good old days when football nuts like Jim Gregory and Ron Noades invested in their local clubs"
Dunno about Gregory, but if you imagine "football nut" Noades ever "invested" his own money in any football club (Southall, Millwall, Palace, Brentford) from a love of the game, then I've got a bridge to sell you. The man was a property investor who amongst other schemes, screwed Palace over the Sainsbury deal and also wanted to move Brentford to Woking(!), so as to sell Griffin Park for housing.
"Good old days"? The man was a complete C U Next Tuesday. | | | |
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"I didn't say every PL club would be rushing to leave the country."
So if, say, half a dozen decided to move outside England, the other 14 would be delighted to see off some of the competiton and just replace them with half a dozen Championship clubs.
Then who would the exiled clubs play?
While US sports franchises who moved eg from Brooklyn to LA, knew all the other clubs were going to continue to play them.
And as for: "It's not like the good old days when football nuts like Jim Gregory and Ron Noades invested in their local clubs"
Dunno about Gregory, but if you imagine "football nut" Noades ever "invested" his own money in any football club (Southall, Millwall, Palace, Brentford) from a love of the game, then I've got a bridge to sell you. The man was a property investor who amongst other schemes, screwed Palace over the Sainsbury deal and also wanted to move Brentford to Woking(!), so as to sell Griffin Park for housing.
"Good old days"? The man was a complete C U Next Tuesday. |
And Jim Gregory was no angel.
But the likes of him and your old chum Ron Noades loved the game.
As for the PL clubs (or some of them) splitting off to play with their fellow global elites. I think you have been missing that point all along.
The wealthy elite of English football would happily leave the likes of Fulham and Brentford behind if they could make even more money playing the Real's and the PSG's on a regular basis.
That's why I said in my first post on this thread:
"But if the Super League ever takes off, and I believe it's question of when rather than if, then you will at least have the consolation of a shiny new stadium as the TV money dries up :-)"
And if you think that's complete BS then pause to think about how they typical PL club views the EFL clubs "leeching" off them and all the revenues they bring into the game.
The elite six or seven or whatever it is have as much concern for the rest of the PL as the average PL club has for the EFL.
Admittedly this did all start as a slight dig at you for this (slightly patronising sounding) line about Luton:
"While s.o. mentioned Luton - it seems to me that their one season windfall (£100m+) will greatly reduce any risk that their shiny new stadium could bankrupt them, even should they continue to drop down the EFL. Which from a long term perspective, must surely be a huge bonus for them."
But many a true word said in jest :-)
[Post edited 29 May 9:03]
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Every season we get a 25% chance of finishing top six.
The fact we can never seem to get anywhere near it is on us and nobody else. |
Except the stated 25% chance assumes everyone starts equal which they clearly don't. Well, they all start on zero points but there are massive differences in squad quality and money available to have that quality.
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