| England on 14:29 - Jun 9 with 1129 views | stantheman10 |
How the hell does Tuchel thinks he's going to win the world cup while playing Jordan fken Henderson! I'll get his coat |  | |  |
| England on 14:32 - Jun 9 with 1116 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| England on 14:29 - Jun 9 by stantheman10 |
How the hell does Tuchel thinks he's going to win the world cup while playing Jordan fken Henderson! I'll get his coat |
I don't think Henderson is a bad player (he's captain for Ajax!), but he will be soon.
I just don't understand why he's playing a position younger players are both good enough and available for.
I assume it's political. [Post edited 9 Jun 14:33]
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| England on 14:37 - Jun 9 with 1094 views | mart_Goblin |
| England on 14:21 - Jun 9 by CLAREMAN1995 |
Decent players but not top players you say martGoblin yet England are second or 3rd favorites to win the WC next year.
England have excellent players not only in the starting 11 but on the bench/squad and compared to Wales,Scotland,Northern Ireland and ROI its like another level of ability.
At the WC top teams knock each other out and that opens the door for England to put it all together and make a deep run to the final.
The opressive heat could hurt them of course but its the same for everyone |
Valid points for sure.
But if you go to the bookies in France or Spain I wonder if we are quite as fancied ? No idea but probably not.
Our Premier league is overhyped , Along with our players by our own media and pundits.
That’s just my opinion and of course I’d loved to be proved wrong .
DaveB made a good point that Tuchel’s team selection was awful . Agree with that .
But he could pick the best English players from
The championship only and we should beat Andorra comfortably so not sure the selection was the only thing to blame .
There is a slight whiff of arrogance from a few and Tuchel called that out .
Good for him in my opinion .
I just don’t think we are as strong and as good as the media would want us to believe . |  | | |
| England on 14:38 - Jun 9 with 1093 views | daveB |
| England on 14:32 - Jun 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I don't think Henderson is a bad player (he's captain for Ajax!), but he will be soon.
I just don't understand why he's playing a position younger players are both good enough and available for.
I assume it's political. [Post edited 9 Jun 14:33]
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even Southgate got rid of Henderson over a year ago, is mad that he's back playing and someone like Angel Gomes has been completly ignored |  | | |
| England on 14:40 - Jun 9 with 1081 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| England on 14:38 - Jun 9 by daveB |
even Southgate got rid of Henderson over a year ago, is mad that he's back playing and someone like Angel Gomes has been completly ignored |
Exactly!
And against Andorra, when the hunger low capped players demonstrate would come in useful. | | | |
| England on 14:48 - Jun 9 with 1049 views | QPROslo |
| England on 11:07 - Jun 9 by Jules4367 |
For me (and 51% of the time I talk 'round things') there were and are three issues:
(i) The constant passing back and forth across the field each side of the halfway line
(ii) The lack of players having the ability to run at the defence -through the middle !!
(iii) Sloppy ball control
(i) The first of these allows teams to either sit back and wait for (iii) then break. All teams know that its going to go to one side or the other and then a cross into Lame in the centre. Admittedly Lame is on the end of the ball when it eventually gets to him and Lame takes a good penalty but, for 85 minutes I always feel he does very very little and we shouldn't keep playing him hoping he will do something.
(ii) Watching Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Germany, Japan, South Korea, The Ascension Islands and the Pitcairn Islands teams they attack through the middle AND the wings rather than back and forth back and forth pass to wing, run down the wing and cross to Lame. Defences need to be put on the backfoot by variety in attack, sometimes wing, sometimes central run, sometimes cross - we put no opposition on the bnack foot!
(iii) There is NO EXCUSE whatsoever for the sloppiness especially when the attack has no real threats. Yes Spain and Portugal had their sloppy moments yesterday but the attacks covered that.
We are poor and will be as long as we keep aiming for Lame in the centre.
(Another from my 51% contributions)
(iii) |
Sorry, didn't mean to down vote that, but re your (ii) surely England have plenty of players well capable of running at players, from Andorra at least, through the middle. I know Eze for one can extremely well, but it looked from the way he and others played back or across that they were instructed to do that. The only penetration tended to be mostly out wide mainly from Madueka. | | | |
| England on 14:49 - Jun 9 with 1047 views | kensalriser |
Gareth's looking better with every game. |  |
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| England on 14:51 - Jun 9 with 1042 views | QPROslo |
| England on 14:29 - Jun 9 by stantheman10 |
How the hell does Tuchel thinks he's going to win the world cup while playing Jordan fken Henderson! I'll get his coat |
I though Henderson did well. | | | |
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| England on 14:52 - Jun 9 with 1036 views | PhilmyRs |
I do think England players don't always kick-on and develop as much as their potential suggests. With a lot of our players/teams in the past, I've fallen into the trap of saying "in a couple of years..." but if anything they tend to regress and not kick-on. A bit like some posters have flagged, that hunger, that desire to maximise your ability seems to wane a bit. Compare that to 40 year old Ronaldo and their desire to always get better.
A couple of years ago, a Kane, Rashford, Bellingham, Foden/Saka front 3, and a Rice, Mainoo pairing seemed pretty exciting and one to rival most teams. I thought just the left back and left centre back needed strengthening. But now...I look at France and Spain, with the Dutch and Portuguese also looking decent and I think we've fallen behind.
I definitely think people thought Southgate had better tools at his disposal than he actually did. People losing their sh*t with him in Euro 2022 with Sancho not playing and he's done nothing really since. Greallish prob didn't play enough that tournament but still did get some game time. Mainoo has hardly featured for United in recent games, Rashford only started to recover form backend of the season and Foden has been pretty poor all season. These are all talents used as evidence the Manager couldn't get the best from our amazing pool of talent. Palmer and Saka appart, most of those players really haven't done much in the last year or so, and in the case of Saka he was a favourite of Southgate so would have been playing regularly.
Have we looked at our crop of attacking players and judged them to be better than what they actually are? | | | |
| England on 14:56 - Jun 9 with 1025 views | TheChef |
| England on 14:52 - Jun 9 by PhilmyRs |
I do think England players don't always kick-on and develop as much as their potential suggests. With a lot of our players/teams in the past, I've fallen into the trap of saying "in a couple of years..." but if anything they tend to regress and not kick-on. A bit like some posters have flagged, that hunger, that desire to maximise your ability seems to wane a bit. Compare that to 40 year old Ronaldo and their desire to always get better.
A couple of years ago, a Kane, Rashford, Bellingham, Foden/Saka front 3, and a Rice, Mainoo pairing seemed pretty exciting and one to rival most teams. I thought just the left back and left centre back needed strengthening. But now...I look at France and Spain, with the Dutch and Portuguese also looking decent and I think we've fallen behind.
I definitely think people thought Southgate had better tools at his disposal than he actually did. People losing their sh*t with him in Euro 2022 with Sancho not playing and he's done nothing really since. Greallish prob didn't play enough that tournament but still did get some game time. Mainoo has hardly featured for United in recent games, Rashford only started to recover form backend of the season and Foden has been pretty poor all season. These are all talents used as evidence the Manager couldn't get the best from our amazing pool of talent. Palmer and Saka appart, most of those players really haven't done much in the last year or so, and in the case of Saka he was a favourite of Southgate so would have been playing regularly.
Have we looked at our crop of attacking players and judged them to be better than what they actually are? |
It just feels like we've been Pep'd into a catatonic state. Irony is that even Spain play with more pace and energy than we do. |  |
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| England on 15:59 - Jun 9 with 954 views | daveB |
| England on 14:56 - Jun 9 by TheChef |
It just feels like we've been Pep'd into a catatonic state. Irony is that even Spain play with more pace and energy than we do. |
peps teams don't play like it either | | | |
| England on 16:35 - Jun 9 with 903 views | kensalriser |
| England on 14:52 - Jun 9 by PhilmyRs |
I do think England players don't always kick-on and develop as much as their potential suggests. With a lot of our players/teams in the past, I've fallen into the trap of saying "in a couple of years..." but if anything they tend to regress and not kick-on. A bit like some posters have flagged, that hunger, that desire to maximise your ability seems to wane a bit. Compare that to 40 year old Ronaldo and their desire to always get better.
A couple of years ago, a Kane, Rashford, Bellingham, Foden/Saka front 3, and a Rice, Mainoo pairing seemed pretty exciting and one to rival most teams. I thought just the left back and left centre back needed strengthening. But now...I look at France and Spain, with the Dutch and Portuguese also looking decent and I think we've fallen behind.
I definitely think people thought Southgate had better tools at his disposal than he actually did. People losing their sh*t with him in Euro 2022 with Sancho not playing and he's done nothing really since. Greallish prob didn't play enough that tournament but still did get some game time. Mainoo has hardly featured for United in recent games, Rashford only started to recover form backend of the season and Foden has been pretty poor all season. These are all talents used as evidence the Manager couldn't get the best from our amazing pool of talent. Palmer and Saka appart, most of those players really haven't done much in the last year or so, and in the case of Saka he was a favourite of Southgate so would have been playing regularly.
Have we looked at our crop of attacking players and judged them to be better than what they actually are? |
"Have we looked at our crop of attacking players and judged them to be better than what they actually are?"
Perennially. | |
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| England on 18:33 - Jun 9 with 828 views | Jules4367 |
| England on 14:48 - Jun 9 by QPROslo |
Sorry, didn't mean to down vote that, but re your (ii) surely England have plenty of players well capable of running at players, from Andorra at least, through the middle. I know Eze for one can extremely well, but it looked from the way he and others played back or across that they were instructed to do that. The only penetration tended to be mostly out wide mainly from Madueka. |
Yes, of course Eze. Being an R's supporter I have watched his career development and progression and having him inside and Madueka outside we definitely pose a threat. Grealish did the same!
But we are in awe of Carry Lame and he is not comparably talented with ball at foot as the three mentioned. Lame supporters will say he scores goals and is masterful in defence, and turn a blind eye to all that jogging backwards and forwards not pressing, not involved play.
The argument that Carry Lame is good for England is the same as saying that arm bands are good for swimmers, yes you need them to keep you afloat but for a lot of the time they do not actually contribute to your development and by continued reliance you prevent your own development.
So reverse it, have Carry Lame there as a last resort and if we have a penalty, bring hm on, but have other players start that teams are not expecting and who, surprisingly, can run at the defence - as I say, down the centre and on the wings.
As long as we have Carry Lame as arm bands and don't develop new starting players we shall continue to sink and like arm bands that have gone beyond their useful life (and I don't mean the goal he sneaks in at the death) we too shall feel deflated!
But to many, Carry Lame is a god to be worshipped and applauded but actually he isn't and wee have more talented players that would pose a threat! | | | |
| England on 21:58 - Jun 9 with 750 views | kensalriser |
Carry Lame, ffs. | |
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| England on 22:04 - Jun 9 with 714 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I mean, there are dodgy takes, and there is saying England’s all time top scorer (overall and tournament) is holding us back.
Awful effort with the nickname too. | | | |
| England on 22:09 - Jun 9 with 702 views | Jules4367 |
| England on 21:58 - Jun 9 by kensalriser |
Carry Lame, ffs. |
The name fits rather well. We carry him hobbling back and forth not pressing not tackling falling over and then he scores and we all acclaim him as our saviour. He isn't and that is apparent. No one is 'scared' by him.
Yes he sometimes scores goals but often doesn't! | | | |
| England on 13:22 - Jun 10 with 546 views | daveB |
| England on 22:09 - Jun 9 by Jules4367 |
The name fits rather well. We carry him hobbling back and forth not pressing not tackling falling over and then he scores and we all acclaim him as our saviour. He isn't and that is apparent. No one is 'scared' by him.
Yes he sometimes scores goals but often doesn't! |
He's the only one in the squad who consistently scores goals for England
Our forward options other than him are not great. Watkins is OK but a bit hit and miss, Toney is in semi retirement and Delap has just chosen club over country | | | |
| England on 14:01 - Jun 10 with 495 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| England on 14:38 - Jun 9 by daveB |
even Southgate got rid of Henderson over a year ago, is mad that he's back playing and someone like Angel Gomes has been completly ignored |
Think Tuchel is worried about a lack of leadership in the squad. Henderson at least offers that and is surely a good influence off the field but it’s a short term solution. |  | | |
| England on 14:14 - Jun 10 with 468 views | TheChef |
| England on 14:01 - Jun 10 by Ned_Kennedys |
Think Tuchel is worried about a lack of leadership in the squad. Henderson at least offers that and is surely a good influence off the field but it’s a short term solution. |
More concerning if Dan Burn is considered one of the best English CBs... | |
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| England on 14:26 - Jun 10 with 424 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| England on 14:01 - Jun 10 by Ned_Kennedys |
Think Tuchel is worried about a lack of leadership in the squad. Henderson at least offers that and is surely a good influence off the field but it’s a short term solution. |
You’d be all over ‘you know who’ for saying that! | | | |
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