| REFORM POLICIES 10:31 - Jun 18 with 3597 views | johnlangy |
Whenever I see Reform politicians being questioned about their policies they never answer the question as to how they will manage to implement them. As there appear to be a number of members of this forum either considering or actually going to vote for them next year perhaps you could explain how they are going to achieve these things.
I'll start with two questions. Please feel free to come up with others as i'm sure we'd all like answers.
1 - Raising the tax free threshold to £20,000. How will they fund the loss of £50 billion in tax revenue ?
2 - Stopping the small boats. How will they do it ? |  | | |  |
| REFORM POLICIES on 10:39 - Jun 19 with 917 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
We are a long way from an election, Starmer has proved unreliable in that lots of things he said over recent years when in opposition he has gone back on when in power, let's see where we are when there is election. |  |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 10:59 - Jun 19 with 903 views | Boundy |
| REFORM POLICIES on 10:39 - Jun 19 by JACKMANANDBOY |
We are a long way from an election, Starmer has proved unreliable in that lots of things he said over recent years when in opposition he has gone back on when in power, let's see where we are when there is election. |
The most sensible post for a long time | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 11:10 - Jun 19 with 892 views | Boundy |
| REFORM POLICIES on 10:20 - Jun 19 by Scotia |
Well Labour have only been in power for a year, a fifth of the time they are elected for. They also inherited the biggest mess in the last 80 years that will take a minimum of a decade to even start putting right. They haven't got off to the best start in some ways, but were the only realistic alternative to the Tories and have done a better job than they did so far.
We'll have to see where they are in 4 years time.
People are completely foolish for voting blindly - but that is exactly what reform voters are doing, as you can see in this thread. |
You must have forgotten the mess the country was in when Brown and New Labour were ousted from power,they opened the flood gates when it comes to immigration , the negative effects still being felt today , drained the treasury coffers ,sold our gold reserves for pennies took us into a illegal war again the affects still felt today ,need I go on . | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 11:45 - Jun 19 with 865 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| REFORM POLICIES on 11:10 - Jun 19 by Boundy |
You must have forgotten the mess the country was in when Brown and New Labour were ousted from power,they opened the flood gates when it comes to immigration , the negative effects still being felt today , drained the treasury coffers ,sold our gold reserves for pennies took us into a illegal war again the affects still felt today ,need I go on . |
......I think so you did forget that Brown screwed up the NHS finances by going hell for leather on PFI, made final salary pensions unattractive for business, brought in in-work benefits that pushed down wages and increased benefit costs and bailed out the banks without any recourse, we are still paying for that today. | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 12:06 - Jun 19 with 854 views | Scotia |
| REFORM POLICIES on 11:10 - Jun 19 by Boundy |
You must have forgotten the mess the country was in when Brown and New Labour were ousted from power,they opened the flood gates when it comes to immigration , the negative effects still being felt today , drained the treasury coffers ,sold our gold reserves for pennies took us into a illegal war again the affects still felt today ,need I go on . |
But the Tories had 14 years to put that right (and I don't agree with all of it) they didn't and made things worse. Considerably worse in most cases. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 15:37 - Jun 19 with 801 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM POLICIES on 11:45 - Jun 19 by JACKMANANDBOY |
......I think so you did forget that Brown screwed up the NHS finances by going hell for leather on PFI, made final salary pensions unattractive for business, brought in in-work benefits that pushed down wages and increased benefit costs and bailed out the banks without any recourse, we are still paying for that today. |
lets not forget that Brown also bankrupted the Royal mail pension fund, he took billions out of it saying it was oversubscribed, then he took too much and Cameron's government had to rescue it.
Brown and Blair did long lasting damage to this country, we haven't recovered from it. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 15:41 - Jun 19 with 793 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:19 - Jun 19 by Whiterockin |
I think those who are knocking Reform are doing then the biggest favour, it just seems to make the rest of the general public more determined and is counter productive. |
No - we must challenge Reform everywhere.
Not welcome in our welsh working class communities. |  |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 15:45 - Jun 19 with 785 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM POLICIES on 11:10 - Jun 19 by Boundy |
You must have forgotten the mess the country was in when Brown and New Labour were ousted from power,they opened the flood gates when it comes to immigration , the negative effects still being felt today , drained the treasury coffers ,sold our gold reserves for pennies took us into a illegal war again the affects still felt today ,need I go on . |
You need to think again ..
Well done New Labour.
Not blaming but delivering.
Immigration is a pan European problem. Get real. [Post edited 19 Jun 15:47]
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| REFORM POLICIES on 15:51 - Jun 19 with 780 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM POLICIES on 15:41 - Jun 19 by Kilkennyjack |
No - we must challenge Reform everywhere.
Not welcome in our welsh working class communities. |
It seems that the Welsh electorate disagree with you. Reform are still gaining momentum and are topping the Senedd election poll now, ahead of Plaid. As I say the more people like you knock them the more popular they are getting, you are just giving them more publicity. Keep it up and they will cruise the Senedd elections next year.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-uk-tops-3188342 |  | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 16:25 - Jun 19 with 748 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM POLICIES on 15:45 - Jun 19 by Kilkennyjack |
You need to think again ..
Well done New Labour.
Not blaming but delivering.
Immigration is a pan European problem. Get real. [Post edited 19 Jun 15:47]
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Glaring lack of knowledge there Kilky. First up those 2 ran up a massive debt and a massive deficit which we have never recovered from, the deficit is why our debt keeps increasing. Blame the debt on the tories but without NuLabours deficit the debt wouldn't be 2 trillion now.
All those increased benefits, they are why we need to borrow so much.
It was Blair who chose to open the doors, he could have put a limit on the numbers allowed in, other Eu countries did but Blair just let everyone and anyone in, including criminals.
Brown also robbed pension funds of billions which affected millions of working people. people like me and you, Kilky. Are you happynto be worse off in retirement because of Blair and Brown? | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 18:34 - Jun 19 with 702 views | Boundy |
| REFORM POLICIES on 16:25 - Jun 19 by SullutaCreturned |
Glaring lack of knowledge there Kilky. First up those 2 ran up a massive debt and a massive deficit which we have never recovered from, the deficit is why our debt keeps increasing. Blame the debt on the tories but without NuLabours deficit the debt wouldn't be 2 trillion now.
All those increased benefits, they are why we need to borrow so much.
It was Blair who chose to open the doors, he could have put a limit on the numbers allowed in, other Eu countries did but Blair just let everyone and anyone in, including criminals.
Brown also robbed pension funds of billions which affected millions of working people. people like me and you, Kilky. Are you happynto be worse off in retirement because of Blair and Brown? |
Some have short memories and sometimes blinded by the bleeding obvious. | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 18:54 - Jun 19 with 682 views | raynor94 |
| REFORM POLICIES on 16:25 - Jun 19 by SullutaCreturned |
Glaring lack of knowledge there Kilky. First up those 2 ran up a massive debt and a massive deficit which we have never recovered from, the deficit is why our debt keeps increasing. Blame the debt on the tories but without NuLabours deficit the debt wouldn't be 2 trillion now.
All those increased benefits, they are why we need to borrow so much.
It was Blair who chose to open the doors, he could have put a limit on the numbers allowed in, other Eu countries did but Blair just let everyone and anyone in, including criminals.
Brown also robbed pension funds of billions which affected millions of working people. people like me and you, Kilky. Are you happynto be worse off in retirement because of Blair and Brown? |
Brilliant post Kilky needs to do some reading up, not everything is Boris's fault |  |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 20:23 - Jun 19 with 631 views | Luther27 |
| REFORM POLICIES on 18:34 - Jun 19 by Boundy |
Some have short memories and sometimes blinded by the bleeding obvious. |
The same Brown who single handed wiped out final salary pensions for the majority….who sold off all the UK’ gold stocks at the time….who had a disastrous campaign cumulating in calling a pensioner a bigot when he thought he was off air.
Today we get similar Labour attitudes by a liar in Labour clothing telling Welsh MP’s in parliament that we should be grateful for £455 million for transport over God knows how many years. Peanuts compared to yet another London tunnel costed so far at £10 billion. Not sure if it’s the same Labour wretch who last week said 75% of all illegal boat crossings contained women and children.
Reform don’t need to campaign…they don’t need a Welsh leader or any policies. Labour in both Wales and London are campaigning for them. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 20:48 - Jun 19 with 605 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM POLICIES on 20:23 - Jun 19 by Luther27 |
The same Brown who single handed wiped out final salary pensions for the majority….who sold off all the UK’ gold stocks at the time….who had a disastrous campaign cumulating in calling a pensioner a bigot when he thought he was off air.
Today we get similar Labour attitudes by a liar in Labour clothing telling Welsh MP’s in parliament that we should be grateful for £455 million for transport over God knows how many years. Peanuts compared to yet another London tunnel costed so far at £10 billion. Not sure if it’s the same Labour wretch who last week said 75% of all illegal boat crossings contained women and children.
Reform don’t need to campaign…they don’t need a Welsh leader or any policies. Labour in both Wales and London are campaigning for them. |
You are absolutely correct on the train money.
And then being told for Wales to be fecking grateful …. Dal dy dir …. | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 21:44 - Jun 19 with 572 views | blackpooljack |
Regarding immigration here is a statistic which would have been laughed at 20 yrs ago but is a fact now.. at current rates White British will be a minority in the UK by 2063. |  | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 01:58 - Jun 20 with 541 views | Robbie |
What really grinds my gears , apart from the utter contempt I hold for any honest Political Party to govern the UK in a right and proper way , accept Politicians are chancers alongside so who do sometimes try they best , one bad apple the whole tree falls allegedly .
Our present Prime Minister is doing more backtracking on his policies and manifesto pledges it is a joke , his obnoxious and nodding dog Front Bench play along to his regular U turns .
The small boat issue is a real can of worms , speak out and you are a racist or try to get across people are really angry , myself included .
Last lot failed dismally to stop the crossings , Starmer came in with We Will Stop the Boats promise , yer that worksd out , numbers out of control now .
Farage will never be PM but if he makes enough of a noise maybe the public will listen . | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 08:52 - Jun 20 with 470 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM POLICIES on 01:58 - Jun 20 by Robbie |
What really grinds my gears , apart from the utter contempt I hold for any honest Political Party to govern the UK in a right and proper way , accept Politicians are chancers alongside so who do sometimes try they best , one bad apple the whole tree falls allegedly .
Our present Prime Minister is doing more backtracking on his policies and manifesto pledges it is a joke , his obnoxious and nodding dog Front Bench play along to his regular U turns .
The small boat issue is a real can of worms , speak out and you are a racist or try to get across people are really angry , myself included .
Last lot failed dismally to stop the crossings , Starmer came in with We Will Stop the Boats promise , yer that worksd out , numbers out of control now .
Farage will never be PM but if he makes enough of a noise maybe the public will listen . |
Is this the same Farage who promised us that if we voted for his Brexit in 2016 then we would take control of the borders and stop the immigrants arriving ? | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 08:58 - Jun 20 with 462 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM POLICIES on 08:52 - Jun 20 by Kilkennyjack |
Is this the same Farage who promised us that if we voted for his Brexit in 2016 then we would take control of the borders and stop the immigrants arriving ? |
Is it his fault that successive government's have failed by being weak. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:07 - Jun 20 with 443 views | Scotia |
| REFORM POLICIES on 08:58 - Jun 20 by Whiterockin |
Is it his fault that successive government's have failed by being weak. |
It's largely his fault that migrants can't be returned to France and that we need non Eu migrants in the first place. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:49 - Jun 20 with 406 views | felixstowe_jack |
They sound just like labour did when they were in opposition.
Latest government borrowing out today shows government borrowing, despite huge increases in taxation. Income tax, VAT, NI and Corporation revenues were all up, yet government spending increased by even more. | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 09:50 - Jun 20 with 403 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:07 - Jun 20 by Scotia |
It's largely his fault that migrants can't be returned to France and that we need non Eu migrants in the first place. |
The amount the government/us are paying France more should be done to stop them leaving, that is down to our government to get value for money. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 12:13 - Jun 20 with 340 views | Boundy |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:07 - Jun 20 by Scotia |
It's largely his fault that migrants can't be returned to France and that we need non Eu migrants in the first place. |
How do you measure "largely" and why are you continually ignoring the fact that two political party's have been are in power and could if they had the will to do so remove ours selves from this now ridiculous ECHR , maybe your memory is not what it was but Fararge/ UKIP have never been in power to be able to implement this change . .
I think you're confusing the argument by stating people are against immigration , I think you'll find they're not , what they are against are those chancers crossing the channel and entering the country illegally .Are you happy they're breaking UK law ? | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 12:16 - Jun 20 with 339 views | Gwyn737 |
| REFORM POLICIES on 12:13 - Jun 20 by Boundy |
How do you measure "largely" and why are you continually ignoring the fact that two political party's have been are in power and could if they had the will to do so remove ours selves from this now ridiculous ECHR , maybe your memory is not what it was but Fararge/ UKIP have never been in power to be able to implement this change . .
I think you're confusing the argument by stating people are against immigration , I think you'll find they're not , what they are against are those chancers crossing the channel and entering the country illegally .Are you happy they're breaking UK law ? |
There has been a lot more talk recently in reviewing the EHCR which I'm all for. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 12:29 - Jun 20 with 326 views | Boundy |
| REFORM POLICIES on 12:16 - Jun 20 by Gwyn737 |
There has been a lot more talk recently in reviewing the EHCR which I'm all for. |
In its basic form the EHCR was a good policy idea but like all great policies it sometime forgets why it was introduced and for whom. The balance is no longer in favour of protecting the majority but now helping the few to the detriment of the majority .imo. Hopefully a review will take place with meaningful outcomes and not used just an appeasement . | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 13:08 - Jun 20 with 305 views | Gwyn737 |
| REFORM POLICIES on 12:29 - Jun 20 by Boundy |
In its basic form the EHCR was a good policy idea but like all great policies it sometime forgets why it was introduced and for whom. The balance is no longer in favour of protecting the majority but now helping the few to the detriment of the majority .imo. Hopefully a review will take place with meaningful outcomes and not used just an appeasement . |
Agree with all that and that's what I'd like to see.
Better to be involed than go it alone IMO. The US are not a reliable ally any more and I don't think any furthering our distance from Europe is a good thing.
Much of Europe are like minded for changes too, I believe | | | |
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