| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 09:26 - Jul 16 with 860 views | dirk_doone |
Sport Republic's transfer policy is to buy youngsters for their potential 'resale value' regardless of whether we need anyone in that position.
They don't seem bothered about team building. So, we could end up with half a dozen left wingers or a dozen centre backs. [Post edited 16 Jul 9:27]
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| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 10:07 - Jul 16 with 785 views | SaintNick |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 09:26 - Jul 16 by dirk_doone |
Sport Republic's transfer policy is to buy youngsters for their potential 'resale value' regardless of whether we need anyone in that position.
They don't seem bothered about team building. So, we could end up with half a dozen left wingers or a dozen centre backs. [Post edited 16 Jul 9:27]
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As I mentioned that has always been the Southampton way, the last 60 years is littered with youngsters and up and coming players we have signed but never made it.
The modern game has changed, now Manchester City & Chelsea & others hoover up all the best youngsters, at age 14-16 and then again at 17-18 when first professional contracts are offered.
Clubs like Saints cannot bring people through the youth ranks as before, as in the case with Chelsea with JJ Morgan & Tyler Dibling, they tap them up at 16 when they can leave a club for effectively nothing or a low development fee in come Chelsea.
Than means that the focus is now no longer on the 14-16 age group, it is on the 18-20 group, buying the likes of Sanda & Quarshie for £400k is probably cheaper than bringing them through the youth ranks and a better bet as you get a more formed player with a better chance of succeeding.
certainly better than spending a lot of money bringing them through and then see them poached at age 16 by the big clubs for peanuts.
I wouldn't say they were not bothered with team building, they still do that, but they also look to bring in promising youngsters as well, yes for the resale value, thats always been the way at Saints.
Ted Bates & Lawrie McMenemy did it a lot and it continued
Look at this lot over the years see how many you can remember, all bought as promising and ones for the future and all didn't play many games for the club
Derek Allen
Antonio Almeida
Ken Armstrong
Frankie Bennett
Eammon Collins
Colin Cramb
Tony Funnell
Michael Hennigan
Phil Kite
Ally McLeod
Scott Marshall
Mike McCartney
Scott McDonald
Gary Monk
Paul Moody
Neil Moss
Mick Pickering
Graham Potter
Dani Rodrigues
Andy Rogers
Trond Solvedt
Christer Warren
Russell Watkinson
Peter Whiston
Oshor Williams
Mainly from the glory years era 1970-2000, these are just the ones that made an appearance for the club, along the way there were quite a few more who we signed but didn't get a game |  |
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| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 10:54 - Jul 16 with 721 views | dirk_doone |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 10:07 - Jul 16 by SaintNick |
As I mentioned that has always been the Southampton way, the last 60 years is littered with youngsters and up and coming players we have signed but never made it.
The modern game has changed, now Manchester City & Chelsea & others hoover up all the best youngsters, at age 14-16 and then again at 17-18 when first professional contracts are offered.
Clubs like Saints cannot bring people through the youth ranks as before, as in the case with Chelsea with JJ Morgan & Tyler Dibling, they tap them up at 16 when they can leave a club for effectively nothing or a low development fee in come Chelsea.
Than means that the focus is now no longer on the 14-16 age group, it is on the 18-20 group, buying the likes of Sanda & Quarshie for £400k is probably cheaper than bringing them through the youth ranks and a better bet as you get a more formed player with a better chance of succeeding.
certainly better than spending a lot of money bringing them through and then see them poached at age 16 by the big clubs for peanuts.
I wouldn't say they were not bothered with team building, they still do that, but they also look to bring in promising youngsters as well, yes for the resale value, thats always been the way at Saints.
Ted Bates & Lawrie McMenemy did it a lot and it continued
Look at this lot over the years see how many you can remember, all bought as promising and ones for the future and all didn't play many games for the club
Derek Allen
Antonio Almeida
Ken Armstrong
Frankie Bennett
Eammon Collins
Colin Cramb
Tony Funnell
Michael Hennigan
Phil Kite
Ally McLeod
Scott Marshall
Mike McCartney
Scott McDonald
Gary Monk
Paul Moody
Neil Moss
Mick Pickering
Graham Potter
Dani Rodrigues
Andy Rogers
Trond Solvedt
Christer Warren
Russell Watkinson
Peter Whiston
Oshor Williams
Mainly from the glory years era 1970-2000, these are just the ones that made an appearance for the club, along the way there were quite a few more who we signed but didn't get a game |
I'll always remember Tony Funnell's goals in our promotion run-in in 1978. It's a shame that his career fell off a cliff after that. | |
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| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 10:59 - Jul 16 with 710 views | yateleysaint |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 10:07 - Jul 16 by SaintNick |
As I mentioned that has always been the Southampton way, the last 60 years is littered with youngsters and up and coming players we have signed but never made it.
The modern game has changed, now Manchester City & Chelsea & others hoover up all the best youngsters, at age 14-16 and then again at 17-18 when first professional contracts are offered.
Clubs like Saints cannot bring people through the youth ranks as before, as in the case with Chelsea with JJ Morgan & Tyler Dibling, they tap them up at 16 when they can leave a club for effectively nothing or a low development fee in come Chelsea.
Than means that the focus is now no longer on the 14-16 age group, it is on the 18-20 group, buying the likes of Sanda & Quarshie for £400k is probably cheaper than bringing them through the youth ranks and a better bet as you get a more formed player with a better chance of succeeding.
certainly better than spending a lot of money bringing them through and then see them poached at age 16 by the big clubs for peanuts.
I wouldn't say they were not bothered with team building, they still do that, but they also look to bring in promising youngsters as well, yes for the resale value, thats always been the way at Saints.
Ted Bates & Lawrie McMenemy did it a lot and it continued
Look at this lot over the years see how many you can remember, all bought as promising and ones for the future and all didn't play many games for the club
Derek Allen
Antonio Almeida
Ken Armstrong
Frankie Bennett
Eammon Collins
Colin Cramb
Tony Funnell
Michael Hennigan
Phil Kite
Ally McLeod
Scott Marshall
Mike McCartney
Scott McDonald
Gary Monk
Paul Moody
Neil Moss
Mick Pickering
Graham Potter
Dani Rodrigues
Andy Rogers
Trond Solvedt
Christer Warren
Russell Watkinson
Peter Whiston
Oshor Williams
Mainly from the glory years era 1970-2000, these are just the ones that made an appearance for the club, along the way there were quite a few more who we signed but didn't get a game |
I’m still convinced that Christer Warren is going to be the GOAT. |  |
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| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 11:55 - Jul 16 with 650 views | GRIM |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 10:07 - Jul 16 by SaintNick |
As I mentioned that has always been the Southampton way, the last 60 years is littered with youngsters and up and coming players we have signed but never made it.
The modern game has changed, now Manchester City & Chelsea & others hoover up all the best youngsters, at age 14-16 and then again at 17-18 when first professional contracts are offered.
Clubs like Saints cannot bring people through the youth ranks as before, as in the case with Chelsea with JJ Morgan & Tyler Dibling, they tap them up at 16 when they can leave a club for effectively nothing or a low development fee in come Chelsea.
Than means that the focus is now no longer on the 14-16 age group, it is on the 18-20 group, buying the likes of Sanda & Quarshie for £400k is probably cheaper than bringing them through the youth ranks and a better bet as you get a more formed player with a better chance of succeeding.
certainly better than spending a lot of money bringing them through and then see them poached at age 16 by the big clubs for peanuts.
I wouldn't say they were not bothered with team building, they still do that, but they also look to bring in promising youngsters as well, yes for the resale value, thats always been the way at Saints.
Ted Bates & Lawrie McMenemy did it a lot and it continued
Look at this lot over the years see how many you can remember, all bought as promising and ones for the future and all didn't play many games for the club
Derek Allen
Antonio Almeida
Ken Armstrong
Frankie Bennett
Eammon Collins
Colin Cramb
Tony Funnell
Michael Hennigan
Phil Kite
Ally McLeod
Scott Marshall
Mike McCartney
Scott McDonald
Gary Monk
Paul Moody
Neil Moss
Mick Pickering
Graham Potter
Dani Rodrigues
Andy Rogers
Trond Solvedt
Christer Warren
Russell Watkinson
Peter Whiston
Oshor Williams
Mainly from the glory years era 1970-2000, these are just the ones that made an appearance for the club, along the way there were quite a few more who we signed but didn't get a game |
So what is the point of continuing to invest in a very expensive Academy. |  | | |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 12:02 - Jul 16 with 634 views | Butty101 |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 10:07 - Jul 16 by SaintNick |
As I mentioned that has always been the Southampton way, the last 60 years is littered with youngsters and up and coming players we have signed but never made it.
The modern game has changed, now Manchester City & Chelsea & others hoover up all the best youngsters, at age 14-16 and then again at 17-18 when first professional contracts are offered.
Clubs like Saints cannot bring people through the youth ranks as before, as in the case with Chelsea with JJ Morgan & Tyler Dibling, they tap them up at 16 when they can leave a club for effectively nothing or a low development fee in come Chelsea.
Than means that the focus is now no longer on the 14-16 age group, it is on the 18-20 group, buying the likes of Sanda & Quarshie for £400k is probably cheaper than bringing them through the youth ranks and a better bet as you get a more formed player with a better chance of succeeding.
certainly better than spending a lot of money bringing them through and then see them poached at age 16 by the big clubs for peanuts.
I wouldn't say they were not bothered with team building, they still do that, but they also look to bring in promising youngsters as well, yes for the resale value, thats always been the way at Saints.
Ted Bates & Lawrie McMenemy did it a lot and it continued
Look at this lot over the years see how many you can remember, all bought as promising and ones for the future and all didn't play many games for the club
Derek Allen
Antonio Almeida
Ken Armstrong
Frankie Bennett
Eammon Collins
Colin Cramb
Tony Funnell
Michael Hennigan
Phil Kite
Ally McLeod
Scott Marshall
Mike McCartney
Scott McDonald
Gary Monk
Paul Moody
Neil Moss
Mick Pickering
Graham Potter
Dani Rodrigues
Andy Rogers
Trond Solvedt
Christer Warren
Russell Watkinson
Peter Whiston
Oshor Williams
Mainly from the glory years era 1970-2000, these are just the ones that made an appearance for the club, along the way there were quite a few more who we signed but didn't get a game |
Dont forget Paul Sherrin, he came with a real fan fare and left very quietly.
the thing with that list of failures Nick, is that was over a long period. We could equal that list in the last 4 years . |  |
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| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 12:44 - Jul 16 with 600 views | SaintNick |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 12:02 - Jul 16 by Butty101 |
Dont forget Paul Sherrin, he came with a real fan fare and left very quietly.
the thing with that list of failures Nick, is that was over a long period. We could equal that list in the last 4 years . |
That is where the way of bringing through players has changed over the past 10 years or so, as GRIM mentioned what is the point in having an academy, the answer is the point is diminishing, but you have to have one.
More and more the promising players in the academy are getting poached at 16-17, we have just lost Harley Emsden James to Manchester United for £1 million plus a 20% sell on clause, in the past he would have signed a professional deal and if he had gone on to be good, pocketed a hefty transfer fee.
Now that is all out the window, we have to look at bringing in players at 18-19 and making it work that way, yes thats seen a big turnover of players, but overall we are still making a big profit on the buying and then selling on of youngsters.
In the past 4 seasons we have spent about £120 million on youngsters ranging from Dynel Simeu to Romeo Lavia and all in between.
In the 3 seasons since we have sold those that came in in that period for about £170 million.
There are also some players still on the books like Sam Edozie, Gavin Bazunu, Bella-Kotchap, Ronnie Edwards, Kayi-Sanda, Shea Charles and a few others whose values have held up and in some cases increased, possibly these named have a combined transfer value of ££55 million.
So all in all the fans would see our buying of youngsters as a disaster, but the reality is that it has turned in a decent profit.
Ok the likes of Sulemana, Mara, Salisu, Alcaraz came in for fees between £10 -22 million and could all be classed as failures, but we got back most of what we paid for them and each in their own way contributed something to the club
The main issue has been the poor signings of players with so called experience in this period, money wasted on the likes of Onuachu, Caleta Car, Orsic etc.
Even Romain Perraud, badly overpriced at £10 million and sold for £3 million.
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| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 13:44 - Jul 16 with 537 views | felly1 |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 12:44 - Jul 16 by SaintNick |
That is where the way of bringing through players has changed over the past 10 years or so, as GRIM mentioned what is the point in having an academy, the answer is the point is diminishing, but you have to have one.
More and more the promising players in the academy are getting poached at 16-17, we have just lost Harley Emsden James to Manchester United for £1 million plus a 20% sell on clause, in the past he would have signed a professional deal and if he had gone on to be good, pocketed a hefty transfer fee.
Now that is all out the window, we have to look at bringing in players at 18-19 and making it work that way, yes thats seen a big turnover of players, but overall we are still making a big profit on the buying and then selling on of youngsters.
In the past 4 seasons we have spent about £120 million on youngsters ranging from Dynel Simeu to Romeo Lavia and all in between.
In the 3 seasons since we have sold those that came in in that period for about £170 million.
There are also some players still on the books like Sam Edozie, Gavin Bazunu, Bella-Kotchap, Ronnie Edwards, Kayi-Sanda, Shea Charles and a few others whose values have held up and in some cases increased, possibly these named have a combined transfer value of ££55 million.
So all in all the fans would see our buying of youngsters as a disaster, but the reality is that it has turned in a decent profit.
Ok the likes of Sulemana, Mara, Salisu, Alcaraz came in for fees between £10 -22 million and could all be classed as failures, but we got back most of what we paid for them and each in their own way contributed something to the club
The main issue has been the poor signings of players with so called experience in this period, money wasted on the likes of Onuachu, Caleta Car, Orsic etc.
Even Romain Perraud, badly overpriced at £10 million and sold for £3 million.
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Interesting read that Nick , not sure how accurate your figures in terms of outlay and profit made .
The player trading model is understandable as we all want a club that's sustainable.
The problem is we could only accumulate a grand total of 37 points in our last two seasons in the Prem.
Unless something dramatic changes I can see us yo yoing for a few more seasons at best , before we become yet another West Brom, Norwich, Watford.... | | | |
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| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 16:13 - Jul 16 with 430 views | Butty101 |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 12:44 - Jul 16 by SaintNick |
That is where the way of bringing through players has changed over the past 10 years or so, as GRIM mentioned what is the point in having an academy, the answer is the point is diminishing, but you have to have one.
More and more the promising players in the academy are getting poached at 16-17, we have just lost Harley Emsden James to Manchester United for £1 million plus a 20% sell on clause, in the past he would have signed a professional deal and if he had gone on to be good, pocketed a hefty transfer fee.
Now that is all out the window, we have to look at bringing in players at 18-19 and making it work that way, yes thats seen a big turnover of players, but overall we are still making a big profit on the buying and then selling on of youngsters.
In the past 4 seasons we have spent about £120 million on youngsters ranging from Dynel Simeu to Romeo Lavia and all in between.
In the 3 seasons since we have sold those that came in in that period for about £170 million.
There are also some players still on the books like Sam Edozie, Gavin Bazunu, Bella-Kotchap, Ronnie Edwards, Kayi-Sanda, Shea Charles and a few others whose values have held up and in some cases increased, possibly these named have a combined transfer value of ££55 million.
So all in all the fans would see our buying of youngsters as a disaster, but the reality is that it has turned in a decent profit.
Ok the likes of Sulemana, Mara, Salisu, Alcaraz came in for fees between £10 -22 million and could all be classed as failures, but we got back most of what we paid for them and each in their own way contributed something to the club
The main issue has been the poor signings of players with so called experience in this period, money wasted on the likes of Onuachu, Caleta Car, Orsic etc.
Even Romain Perraud, badly overpriced at £10 million and sold for £3 million.
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In the 3 seasons since we have sold those that came in in that period for about £170 million.
Are you saying we spent £120mill and then sold those players for 170mill as that cant be correct.
The last 3 years of transfer dealings is propped up by the selling of Tella, JWP, Tino and Lavia who was bought under the current ownership. Take out those 4 and theres not much left.
When it comes to transfers im poles apart from your thinking. When the club bought Sulemana, they clearly didnt think lets sell them for nearly half the price in a couple years. Bought for 22mill sold for 13m so already 9mill down. Then his wages what 50k a week plus NI plus bonus - i would guess we are 20mill down on him alone. | |
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| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 16:25 - Jul 16 with 418 views | felly1 |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 16:13 - Jul 16 by Butty101 |
In the 3 seasons since we have sold those that came in in that period for about £170 million.
Are you saying we spent £120mill and then sold those players for 170mill as that cant be correct.
The last 3 years of transfer dealings is propped up by the selling of Tella, JWP, Tino and Lavia who was bought under the current ownership. Take out those 4 and theres not much left.
When it comes to transfers im poles apart from your thinking. When the club bought Sulemana, they clearly didnt think lets sell them for nearly half the price in a couple years. Bought for 22mill sold for 13m so already 9mill down. Then his wages what 50k a week plus NI plus bonus - i would guess we are 20mill down on him alone. |
Regarding Sulemana, from what I've read we're getting 15m pounds upfront plus add ons that'll take it to 18m so only a 4m loss on him.
I don't think it's fair to include wages and N.I as we would have likely been paying that to some other player instead. | | | |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 17:02 - Jul 16 with 392 views | PatfromPoole |
| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 12:44 - Jul 16 by SaintNick |
That is where the way of bringing through players has changed over the past 10 years or so, as GRIM mentioned what is the point in having an academy, the answer is the point is diminishing, but you have to have one.
More and more the promising players in the academy are getting poached at 16-17, we have just lost Harley Emsden James to Manchester United for £1 million plus a 20% sell on clause, in the past he would have signed a professional deal and if he had gone on to be good, pocketed a hefty transfer fee.
Now that is all out the window, we have to look at bringing in players at 18-19 and making it work that way, yes thats seen a big turnover of players, but overall we are still making a big profit on the buying and then selling on of youngsters.
In the past 4 seasons we have spent about £120 million on youngsters ranging from Dynel Simeu to Romeo Lavia and all in between.
In the 3 seasons since we have sold those that came in in that period for about £170 million.
There are also some players still on the books like Sam Edozie, Gavin Bazunu, Bella-Kotchap, Ronnie Edwards, Kayi-Sanda, Shea Charles and a few others whose values have held up and in some cases increased, possibly these named have a combined transfer value of ££55 million.
So all in all the fans would see our buying of youngsters as a disaster, but the reality is that it has turned in a decent profit.
Ok the likes of Sulemana, Mara, Salisu, Alcaraz came in for fees between £10 -22 million and could all be classed as failures, but we got back most of what we paid for them and each in their own way contributed something to the club
The main issue has been the poor signings of players with so called experience in this period, money wasted on the likes of Onuachu, Caleta Car, Orsic etc.
Even Romain Perraud, badly overpriced at £10 million and sold for £3 million.
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Perraud was / is a decent left-back, as he has gone on to show since leaving us.
The fee we got for him reflected his contract status at the time.
No way was he "badly overpriced".
Anybody who went to the 3-3 at the Emirates a couple of years ago and saw how he handled one of the best wingers in Europe (Saka) should be able to appreciate his class.
He certainly contributed way more than Mara. Probably scored more goals as well. |  |
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| Southampton Interested In A Central Defender ! Why ! on 17:04 - Jul 16 with 384 views | saint22 |
Simply seems like we will be waving bye bye to Janny THB Ronnie Bella so taht means we have nish left for yet another SEASON at CB so we will bring more dross in to muddle through AGAIN
Honestly we swap around those at the top or in recruitment yet we still end up with nothing (bar Fernandes) | | | |
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