| This Epping thing 18:59 - Jul 24 with 1253 views | 1983 |
Should he and the police be the ones done for inciting violence?
Doesn't like nasty middle aged mothers holding up cardboard signs about the safety of their children. So pull the illegal imagrants away from there move them to South East London not a million miles away from Epping and put them in a proper high end hotel and hope that will solve the trick....or is he hoping something else will escalate over the weekend and go in hard on the streets of the capital to show the country what happens if you question things. |  |
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| This Epping thing on 12:13 - Jul 25 with 1144 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The country went into overdrive knocking up all sorts of camps and mobile hospitals within weeks over Covid. If they wanted to speed things up they could.
The public do not want them in old RAF camps on boats in hotels on in shared houses
The boat people should immediately be arrested put into a basic clean warm camp and given medical treatment.and psychological testing. Their religious beliefs established including any anti western issues.
There would be a fast working team on site looking to fast track asylum claims. There should be a judge to assess " fast track" appeals.
One wonders why they cannot act decisively given that it is an obvious election winner.
Get the winners to work and the losers on a plane out. [Post edited 25 Jul 12:22]
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| This Epping thing on 13:52 - Jul 25 with 1086 views | 1983 |
| This Epping thing on 12:13 - Jul 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The country went into overdrive knocking up all sorts of camps and mobile hospitals within weeks over Covid. If they wanted to speed things up they could.
The public do not want them in old RAF camps on boats in hotels on in shared houses
The boat people should immediately be arrested put into a basic clean warm camp and given medical treatment.and psychological testing. Their religious beliefs established including any anti western issues.
There would be a fast working team on site looking to fast track asylum claims. There should be a judge to assess " fast track" appeals.
One wonders why they cannot act decisively given that it is an obvious election winner.
Get the winners to work and the losers on a plane out. [Post edited 25 Jul 12:22]
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| This Epping thing on 15:22 - Jul 25 with 1041 views | Demitrius |
| This Epping thing on 13:52 - Jul 25 by 1983 |
Can't argue with that |
Every sane minded UK citizen would agree in removing all incentives. However, here lies the snag. They can but they don't want to. They don't want to because it will upset the UN and its nefarious spider web of quangos, IGOs, NGOs and similar organisations. They (Westminster) would rather betray us and put their own population in danger than do that. A few rapes and murders are just collateral damage to the likes of Starmer and many more before him especially Cameron on whose watch the UN 2018 Migration Agenda was signed up to attended by then MoS for Africa Alistair Birt. They are happy to sign away our sovereign rights controlling our borders for a seat at the top table when their days in Parliament are over. Treasonous ghouls run our country and thankfully people are finally waking up to the fact. When you start delving into the murkier bits of the 2030 and 2050 UN Agendas you start to realise why this is happening and who's pulling the strings on migration, climate, economics, etc..
Like George Carlin said "It's a big f**king club and YOU ain't in it" [Post edited 25 Jul 15:23]
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| This Epping thing on 15:59 - Jul 25 with 993 views | onehunglow |
| This Epping thing on 15:22 - Jul 25 by Demitrius |
Every sane minded UK citizen would agree in removing all incentives. However, here lies the snag. They can but they don't want to. They don't want to because it will upset the UN and its nefarious spider web of quangos, IGOs, NGOs and similar organisations. They (Westminster) would rather betray us and put their own population in danger than do that. A few rapes and murders are just collateral damage to the likes of Starmer and many more before him especially Cameron on whose watch the UN 2018 Migration Agenda was signed up to attended by then MoS for Africa Alistair Birt. They are happy to sign away our sovereign rights controlling our borders for a seat at the top table when their days in Parliament are over. Treasonous ghouls run our country and thankfully people are finally waking up to the fact. When you start delving into the murkier bits of the 2030 and 2050 UN Agendas you start to realise why this is happening and who's pulling the strings on migration, climate, economics, etc..
Like George Carlin said "It's a big f**king club and YOU ain't in it" [Post edited 25 Jul 15:23]
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But another demo day against the " right wing" who want to curtail refugee numbers |  |
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| This Epping thing on 17:14 - Jul 25 with 956 views | Scotia |
| This Epping thing on 13:52 - Jul 25 by 1983 |
Can't argue with that |
That third paragraph sounds a bit like a concentration camp.
I agree with the notion, but it's partly illegal. | | | |
| This Epping thing on 17:34 - Jul 25 with 931 views | 1983 |
| This Epping thing on 17:14 - Jul 25 by Scotia |
That third paragraph sounds a bit like a concentration camp.
I agree with the notion, but it's partly illegal. |
Yeah I know travelled through several save countries and entered our country illegally, that's fully illegal and bonkers don't you think? | |
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| This Epping thing on 17:38 - Jul 25 with 920 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| This Epping thing on 17:14 - Jul 25 by Scotia |
That third paragraph sounds a bit like a concentration camp.
I agree with the notion, but it's partly illegal. |
The Senedd learned long ago to disperse those waiting on decisions.one year minimum to wait and another year for an appeal.
If you disperse the people the public will not notice so much. One might expect that the refugee will abscond if the appeal fails or get hooked up with a local girl and start a family.
Refugees and camps are what they expect. They should of course be decent places to live. A fast turnaround is possible if the authorities put their mind to it. Losing the right of appeal would help.
The law is always minded to drag things out as some of them are on time based payments. [Post edited 25 Jul 17:39]
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| This Epping thing on 18:51 - Jul 25 with 862 views | Scotia |
| This Epping thing on 17:34 - Jul 25 by 1983 |
Yeah I know travelled through several save countries and entered our country illegally, that's fully illegal and bonkers don't you think? |
No it's not illegal. It's bonkers that they want to, and that's what we need to change. | | | |
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| This Epping thing on 14:02 - Aug 1 with 533 views | AnotherJohn |
| This Epping thing on 18:51 - Jul 25 by Scotia |
No it's not illegal. It's bonkers that they want to, and that's what we need to change. |
I keep trying to correct this misapprehension. The act of entering the UK in an irregular way, such as in a boat organised by people smugglers, is unlawful but in line with our UN Refugee Convention obligations we agree not to penalise persons who meet the Article 1 criteria for refugee status irrespective of their illegal actions. Please read article 31.
"The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or
freedom was threatened in the sense of Article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence."
Notice the use of the word "illegal". The consequence of agreeing to this is that the UK recognises that persons granted asylum, or with their application under consideration, can remain in the UK with no penalty imposed. The interesting question is what happens to those who are found not to have a right to asylum. Following the letter of the law, our government could at that stage charge persons with offences and impose penalties, but in practice they do not. I was unable to see anything in the Convention that justifies public funding for multiple appeals against refusal of asylum applications, or indeed the suspension of penalties for persons in that situation. [Post edited 1 Aug 14:06]
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| This Epping thing on 14:15 - Aug 1 with 502 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| This Epping thing on 14:02 - Aug 1 by AnotherJohn |
I keep trying to correct this misapprehension. The act of entering the UK in an irregular way, such as in a boat organised by people smugglers, is unlawful but in line with our UN Refugee Convention obligations we agree not to penalise persons who meet the Article 1 criteria for refugee status irrespective of their illegal actions. Please read article 31.
"The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or
freedom was threatened in the sense of Article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence."
Notice the use of the word "illegal". The consequence of agreeing to this is that the UK recognises that persons granted asylum, or with their application under consideration, can remain in the UK with no penalty imposed. The interesting question is what happens to those who are found not to have a right to asylum. Following the letter of the law, our government could at that stage charge persons with offences and impose penalties, but in practice they do not. I was unable to see anything in the Convention that justifies public funding for multiple appeals against refusal of asylum applications, or indeed the suspension of penalties for persons in that situation. [Post edited 1 Aug 14:06]
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Notice the word “directly”. |  |
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| This Epping thing on 08:32 - Aug 2 with 312 views | Scotia |
The UK immigration and asylum act allows them to do so. | | | |
| This Epping thing on 12:27 - Aug 2 with 249 views | AnotherJohn |
| This Epping thing on 08:32 - Aug 2 by Scotia |
The UK immigration and asylum act allows them to do so. |
By pushback (and quoting the HoC Library paper) I meant:
"Various measures in the Bill [now enacted] are intended to incentivise people to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach, deter irregular travel to the UK and confine the scope of Article 31(1)’s ‘non-penalisation’ provisions."
Obviously this hasn't been enough to stop the flow of persons whose route to the UK is hard to construct as coming directly from an unsafe country. | | | |
| This Epping thing on 14:44 - Aug 2 with 210 views | max936 |
| This Epping thing on 08:32 - Aug 2 by Scotia |
The UK immigration and asylum act allows them to do so. |
Well its not fit for purpose is it? |  |
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