| Do British institutions work together for a common good? 15:37 - Jul 28 with 595 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
https://nation.cymru/news/plans-submitted-to-double-size-of-chicken-farm-to-6400
We have planning bodies The Environment Agency, Natural Resources Wales, Dwr Cymru, Severn Trent Water The Senedd.
As I understand it the River Wye has become biologically stressed from alkaline levels rising from bird guano. There are 60m chicken farmed along the Wye Valley.
One would have thought the bodies would work together during planning to limit these bird farms on the basis of pollution of our sacred water ways.
In this case Abermule is on the River Severn. Does anyone actually give a "flying guano"? .
The current objection is not the environment but road traffic matters.
The Wye Valley bird farms need to be relocated and proper guano management installed or mitigated.
We are paying a fortune for these bodies and they do not seem to care very much about our rivers.
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| Do British institutions work together for a common good? on 17:55 - Jul 28 with 533 views | Scotia |
That article seems to show they have worked together quite well.
It was originally refused on environmental concerns and highways issues and the Welsh government stopped all of the proposals getting permission for two years so they could be properly assessed.
It's too late for many rivers as the farms are operating, but we can't have cheap eggs and clean rivers. 64000 birds is a staggering amount for one farm, free range my arris. |  | | |
| Do British institutions work together for a common good? on 18:19 - Jul 29 with 402 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Do British institutions work together for a common good? on 17:55 - Jul 28 by Scotia |
That article seems to show they have worked together quite well.
It was originally refused on environmental concerns and highways issues and the Welsh government stopped all of the proposals getting permission for two years so they could be properly assessed.
It's too late for many rivers as the farms are operating, but we can't have cheap eggs and clean rivers. 64000 birds is a staggering amount for one farm, free range my arris. |
We can't just blithely say "it's too late for many rivers" that isn't an attitude we can afford. We know the Wye is in trouble so something has to be done. These farms have to be made to clean up their own messes. If that means prices rise then so be it but we can't just pollute rivers until they die.
The free range thing, you're right. | | | |
| Do British institutions work together for a common good? on 21:40 - Jul 29 with 357 views | max936 |
| Do British institutions work together for a common good? on 18:19 - Jul 29 by SullutaCreturned |
We can't just blithely say "it's too late for many rivers" that isn't an attitude we can afford. We know the Wye is in trouble so something has to be done. These farms have to be made to clean up their own messes. If that means prices rise then so be it but we can't just pollute rivers until they die.
The free range thing, you're right. |
There's little wrong with the Wye the fish and wildlife are thriving the Severn seems ok as well, both rivers are fishing reasonably well, its to low in parts obviously, the faster water areas and deeper sections where there is a reasonable flow are fishing well enough to keep anglers fishing happy.
I'm on a couple of the River Severn groups on FB, I also keep in touch with those I know up at Hereford and although the River is in desperate need of fresh water and a decent flow, that are no issues with the water quality, at the moment at least.
I'm going up in a few weeks as soon as I'm off, be a massive difference come mid September time and onwards. |  |
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| Do British institutions work together for a common good? on 21:47 - Jul 29 with 345 views | max936 |
| Do British institutions work together for a common good? on 18:19 - Jul 29 by SullutaCreturned |
We can't just blithely say "it's too late for many rivers" that isn't an attitude we can afford. We know the Wye is in trouble so something has to be done. These farms have to be made to clean up their own messes. If that means prices rise then so be it but we can't just pollute rivers until they die.
The free range thing, you're right. |
Raising prices is a cop out these environment bodies need to grow a pair and start prosecuting these farms, prices got nothing to do with them not putting their houses in order they shouldn't be allowed to pollute if they doi then they should be closed down.
Chuck more money at them and they'll still be doing it, it's all been seen before the greed will take over as per usual, when it does what do we do then raise prices again.? | |
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| Do British institutions work together for a common good? on 11:26 - Jul 30 with 263 views | Scotia |
| Do British institutions work together for a common good? on 18:19 - Jul 29 by SullutaCreturned |
We can't just blithely say "it's too late for many rivers" that isn't an attitude we can afford. We know the Wye is in trouble so something has to be done. These farms have to be made to clean up their own messes. If that means prices rise then so be it but we can't just pollute rivers until they die.
The free range thing, you're right. |
No we can't but the only option is much less intensive agriculture and therefore higher prices. The alternative is put industrial agriculture in industrial areas, but the land there is far more expensive so the impact on prices will be the same.
It's the same for dairy and pork farming too.
Farmers are no angels, and neither are water companies but ultimately if we hit them in the pocket (fines) the costs will be passed on to the customer.
It is nuts that a pint of liquid produced by a living animal can cost 90% less than a pint of water, hops, yeast and barley chucked in a container for a week or so. | | | |
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