| Nigel's cunning plan 14:19 - Aug 26 with 5336 views | johnlangy |
Let's assume Reform are elected to Government at the next GE with a sufficient majority to do what Nigel says. That is to get out of the ECHR and whichever other International treaties he deems necessary.
Once that is done he wants to start mass deportations. Before he can carry out those deportations he will have to come to agreements with the illegal immigrants/asylum seekers original countries Governments for them to accept their citizens back.
That means countries like Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen and many others, maybe twenty in total. Until those agreements are in place they can't start the deportations.
So my question is, how long do you think it will be before those agreements are in place ? |  | | |  |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 13:05 - Sep 2 with 1228 views | Boundy |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 12:56 - Sep 2 by Gwyn737 |
And in a democracy you are allowed to keep making the argument if a vote goes against you, especially when further evidence comes to light.
As for the tax situation, I don't the EU had any bearing on the powers the UK govenrment has, except of course the cost to the economy and challenges to grouth not being in the single market means revenue has to come from somewhere. |
How long do is a piece of string but how long is long enough before acceptance of the decision, I appreciate an argument if there is to be another referendum but there isn't . Inadvertently the EU has an impact on our taxation even now due to the billions we're still paying it as part of the settlement agreement . Maybe the tax revenue should be used more wisely before wasting such a valuable resource such as it is at present , net zero for example. | |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 14:50 - Sep 2 with 1165 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 22:53 - Sep 1 by majorraglan |
That will depend on your circumstances.
Previously someone could move to Spain with a very modest income behind them, but these days people looking to move to Spain have to have a minimum guaranteed income, for a single person it’s almost £25k plus private health cover, for a couple is £31k in income plus comprehensive private health cover, and it goes up £6.5k per additional dependent.
If you don’t have that much income then you are no longer able to move to Spain, your “freedom” has gone up in flames. If you have a criminal record you can no longer move to Spain, now I don’t blame the Spanish for wanting to keep the riffraff out, but if you got in trouble once with the police when you were a youngster (let’s say 35 years ago) that’s your opportunity gone. Pre Brexit you’d have been ok. |
You still had to have a minimum income and plenty couldn't have afforded it so it was only a freedom to those who could afford it. Nothing has really changed then, it's yours if you can afford it.
It really doesn't count as a freedom by Djacks yardstick because you had to oay for it. It's more a right if you can afford it.
People can still live and work across Europe, The trading thing, we now have the freedom to negotiate our own deals we just need a capable government which is the real root of the problem, when did we kast have a capable government? | | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 21:48 - Sep 2 with 1105 views | majorraglan |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 14:50 - Sep 2 by SullutaCreturned |
You still had to have a minimum income and plenty couldn't have afforded it so it was only a freedom to those who could afford it. Nothing has really changed then, it's yours if you can afford it.
It really doesn't count as a freedom by Djacks yardstick because you had to oay for it. It's more a right if you can afford it.
People can still live and work across Europe, The trading thing, we now have the freedom to negotiate our own deals we just need a capable government which is the real root of the problem, when did we kast have a capable government? |
Your first paragraph is incorrect, there was no minimum income requirement to move to and live in Europe due to the principle of freedom of movement. Individuals may be asked to prove they could support themselves, but there was no minimum income and it was something that wasn’t really pursued in most countries. I think Germany threw out rough sleepers, but that was it. The UK didn’t. | | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 07:03 - Sep 3 with 1040 views | Dr_Winston |
I'm actually quite in favour of people not being able to up sticks and move to a country if they can't afford to support themselves when they're there. The right to prevent such people from doing so is a fundamental one that each country should still possess.
Had Europe retained such ability then I suspect at least one of its major issues wouldn't be happening right now. |  |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 07:58 - Sep 3 with 1028 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 07:03 - Sep 3 by Dr_Winston |
I'm actually quite in favour of people not being able to up sticks and move to a country if they can't afford to support themselves when they're there. The right to prevent such people from doing so is a fundamental one that each country should still possess.
Had Europe retained such ability then I suspect at least one of its major issues wouldn't be happening right now. |
Unfortunately most the people who have upped sticks and moved illegally to the UK can't afford to support themselves. The UK tax payers is expected to give them free accommodation, free health care, free education and free food as well. | |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 13:07 - Sep 3 with 958 views | onehunglow |
Looking at social media , it seems simple
Anyone even questioning illegal migration is deemed right wing , fascist or racist
That is where we are now
Those campaigning for asylum seekers are simple hypocrites
Everyone is concerned , one way or another
Corbyn will support them for purely political reasons | |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 20:39 - Sep 3 with 893 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 21:48 - Sep 2 by majorraglan |
Your first paragraph is incorrect, there was no minimum income requirement to move to and live in Europe due to the principle of freedom of movement. Individuals may be asked to prove they could support themselves, but there was no minimum income and it was something that wasn’t really pursued in most countries. I think Germany threw out rough sleepers, but that was it. The UK didn’t. |
Ok the wording is poor BUT you still had to be able to afford the move and not everybody could or, as I said, I'd have been off to a Greek island.
That's kind of the point, what some people call a freedom others would say is a dream. What is a freedom to a person with enough cash is fantasy island to others. | | | |
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