| Nigel's cunning plan 14:19 - Aug 26 with 3856 views | johnlangy |
Let's assume Reform are elected to Government at the next GE with a sufficient majority to do what Nigel says. That is to get out of the ECHR and whichever other International treaties he deems necessary.
Once that is done he wants to start mass deportations. Before he can carry out those deportations he will have to come to agreements with the illegal immigrants/asylum seekers original countries Governments for them to accept their citizens back.
That means countries like Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen and many others, maybe twenty in total. Until those agreements are in place they can't start the deportations.
So my question is, how long do you think it will be before those agreements are in place ? |  | | |  |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 18:21 - Aug 27 with 1424 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 17:50 - Aug 27 by johnlangy |
Where did you get those numbers JON ? I did a quick search and got this - 'It's impossible to give an exact number of immigrants who arrived in the UK via lorries from France before Brexit'. |
From the bbc website:
“Figures obtained by the BBC showed stowaway cases plummeted from about 83,000 in 2015 to 18,000 in 2021.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-67528110 |  |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 22:14 - Aug 27 with 1320 views | majorraglan |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 12:39 - Aug 27 by ItchySphincter |
Do you think your new blue passort gives you the same, more, or less freedoms than your old red one?
Just asking .... |
Regardless of whether the passport is red or blue, we now have less freedoms than we had when we were in the EU. | | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 23:35 - Aug 27 with 1290 views | ItchySphincter |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 22:14 - Aug 27 by majorraglan |
Regardless of whether the passport is red or blue, we now have less freedoms than we had when we were in the EU. |
No argument here. |  |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 05:17 - Sep 1 with 1134 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 22:14 - Aug 27 by majorraglan |
Regardless of whether the passport is red or blue, we now have less freedoms than we had when we were in the EU. |
What freedom did we have when we were governed by 28 unelected EU commissioners? | |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 06:47 - Sep 1 with 1100 views | Whiterockin |
Like it or not Labour failing to deliver on its immigration promises and weak leadership is playing right into Farages hands. They have nobody to blame apart from themselves. The problem we have now is they are trying to put so many crackpot ideas into place before they leave and we just can't afford them. The financial black hole is getting larger under Labour and there is nothing to show for it. This government is going to leave the country in a bigger mess than any government over the last 30 years and that really is saying something. |  | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 07:39 - Sep 1 with 1038 views | majorraglan |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 05:17 - Sep 1 by felixstowe_jack |
What freedom did we have when we were governed by 28 unelected EU commissioners? |
Hw about the freedom to retire in the EU without having to have enough money for a golden hello visa, the right to own property in the EU, or the right to stay in the EU for longer than 90 days without a visa for starters. | | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 09:13 - Sep 1 with 969 views | Boundy |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 07:39 - Sep 1 by majorraglan |
Hw about the freedom to retire in the EU without having to have enough money for a golden hello visa, the right to own property in the EU, or the right to stay in the EU for longer than 90 days without a visa for starters. |
So that freedom would have applied to everyone or only those who could afford it . | |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 09:20 - Sep 1 with 942 views | onehunglow |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 07:39 - Sep 1 by majorraglan |
Hw about the freedom to retire in the EU without having to have enough money for a golden hello visa, the right to own property in the EU, or the right to stay in the EU for longer than 90 days without a visa for starters. |
I’ve yet to see any benefits of leaving but plenty of negatives | |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 14:28 - Sep 1 with 852 views | KeithHaynes |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 07:39 - Sep 1 by majorraglan |
Hw about the freedom to retire in the EU without having to have enough money for a golden hello visa, the right to own property in the EU, or the right to stay in the EU for longer than 90 days without a visa for starters. |
It’s tricky dependent on your circumstances and what you want to do, work in Europe, retire, a guaranteed provable income of 30k, if not entitled for what they call in Spain an S1 health component from the uk, a decent private medical plan etc.
And then there’s the bureaucracy, it’s shocking, incompetent and basically you are at the mercy of a €6 an hour (people share jobs on one salary) with little education or comprehension of anything more than a ticked box.
There’s so many other things, getting a driving licence can be a six month back and forwards project. Then there’s what they call a TIE, pretty much the same so you can legally live and work in Spain.
I could spend the rest of the day complaining whilst I’m sat here in the sun with a zero beer by the pool co-ordinating the boys on deadline day 😂 |  |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 14:38 - Sep 1 with 845 views | onehunglow |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 14:28 - Sep 1 by KeithHaynes |
It’s tricky dependent on your circumstances and what you want to do, work in Europe, retire, a guaranteed provable income of 30k, if not entitled for what they call in Spain an S1 health component from the uk, a decent private medical plan etc.
And then there’s the bureaucracy, it’s shocking, incompetent and basically you are at the mercy of a €6 an hour (people share jobs on one salary) with little education or comprehension of anything more than a ticked box.
There’s so many other things, getting a driving licence can be a six month back and forwards project. Then there’s what they call a TIE, pretty much the same so you can legally live and work in Spain.
I could spend the rest of the day complaining whilst I’m sat here in the sun with a zero beer by the pool co-ordinating the boys on deadline day 😂 |
That last paragraph deserves a virtual headbutt
Most of us are looking forward to the British winter
I’ve been this morning at our local model boating pool chatting to chaps controlling their boats via radio , sad buggers
Didn’t take a coat though and doggie and me got thoroughly drenched even to my thong | |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 17:10 - Sep 1 with 820 views | majorraglan |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 09:13 - Sep 1 by Boundy |
So that freedom would have applied to everyone or only those who could afford it . |
Previously everyone. [Post edited 1 Sep 17:14]
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 17:29 - Sep 1 with 789 views | Gwyn737 |
Freedom to work, live and steady across Europe.
Freedom of frictionless trade.
Freedom of increased security.
Freedom to negotiate as part of massive and attractive trading group.
I suppose the reverse question is what freedom has brexit afforded in the last five years that we’d miss if we rejoined. Not what could happen, what has actually happened. | | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 17:51 - Sep 1 with 766 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 07:39 - Sep 1 by majorraglan |
Hw about the freedom to retire in the EU without having to have enough money for a golden hello visa, the right to own property in the EU, or the right to stay in the EU for longer than 90 days without a visa for starters. |
Well the freedom to do that hasn't been lost, you can still do those things there are just a few extra hoops to go through.
Losing that freedom would literally mean you couldn't do it no matter what.
We don't have less freedoms there are just extra hoops to go through, not like you to whinge major. | | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 20:23 - Sep 1 with 721 views | DJack |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 17:51 - Sep 1 by SullutaCreturned |
Well the freedom to do that hasn't been lost, you can still do those things there are just a few extra hoops to go through.
Losing that freedom would literally mean you couldn't do it no matter what.
We don't have less freedoms there are just extra hoops to go through, not like you to whinge major. |
No, if you need money and or lawyers that is just an option. Freedom is an intrinsic right open to all. |  |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 20:38 - Sep 1 with 698 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 20:23 - Sep 1 by DJack |
No, if you need money and or lawyers that is just an option. Freedom is an intrinsic right open to all. |
Well doing what he said always cost money, it was never free.
I hav the freedom to drive a car as long as I have a license, tax, insurance and an MOT.
If you are judging freedom by that yardstick alone then we never had very many freedoms, we even get charged for water which is supposedly a human right.
Did anybody say than an intrinsic right had to be free? If moving to the EU was an intrinsic right and absolutrly free I would have biggered off to a Greek Island long ago. | | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 20:45 - Sep 1 with 694 views | Whiterockin |
It's strange that so many on here complain about Farage and Brexit yet if the polls are correct he is going to win the next GE at a canter. Possibly some on here do not echo the thoughts of the general public. How else would you explain why someone who has allegedly done the UK such a disservice is so popular. | | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 21:21 - Sep 1 with 667 views | Flashberryjack |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 20:45 - Sep 1 by Whiterockin |
It's strange that so many on here complain about Farage and Brexit yet if the polls are correct he is going to win the next GE at a canter. Possibly some on here do not echo the thoughts of the general public. How else would you explain why someone who has allegedly done the UK such a disservice is so popular. |
Brexit was voted democratically by the British public, but still there were MP's and those that voted remain, couldn't and wouldn't except the result.
They put every obstacle in the way to stop it from being successful, some people only beleive in democracy if the vote goes their way, just like they called out Boris on his lies, yet not a squeak when Starmer and his tribe lie through their teeth. |  |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 22:53 - Sep 1 with 604 views | majorraglan |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 17:51 - Sep 1 by SullutaCreturned |
Well the freedom to do that hasn't been lost, you can still do those things there are just a few extra hoops to go through.
Losing that freedom would literally mean you couldn't do it no matter what.
We don't have less freedoms there are just extra hoops to go through, not like you to whinge major. |
That will depend on your circumstances.
Previously someone could move to Spain with a very modest income behind them, but these days people looking to move to Spain have to have a minimum guaranteed income, for a single person it’s almost £25k plus private health cover, for a couple is £31k in income plus comprehensive private health cover, and it goes up £6.5k per additional dependent.
If you don’t have that much income then you are no longer able to move to Spain, your “freedom” has gone up in flames. If you have a criminal record you can no longer move to Spain, now I don’t blame the Spanish for wanting to keep the riffraff out, but if you got in trouble once with the police when you were a youngster (let’s say 35 years ago) that’s your opportunity gone. Pre Brexit you’d have been ok. | | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 23:07 - Sep 1 with 590 views | DJack |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 21:21 - Sep 1 by Flashberryjack |
Brexit was voted democratically by the British public, but still there were MP's and those that voted remain, couldn't and wouldn't except the result.
They put every obstacle in the way to stop it from being successful, some people only beleive in democracy if the vote goes their way, just like they called out Boris on his lies, yet not a squeak when Starmer and his tribe lie through their teeth. |
Which Brexit was voted democratically, Flash? | |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 09:12 - Sep 2 with 497 views | Boundy |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 21:21 - Sep 1 by Flashberryjack |
Brexit was voted democratically by the British public, but still there were MP's and those that voted remain, couldn't and wouldn't except the result.
They put every obstacle in the way to stop it from being successful, some people only beleive in democracy if the vote goes their way, just like they called out Boris on his lies, yet not a squeak when Starmer and his tribe lie through their teeth. |
They are the ones which should be castigated by many who believe Brexit is the worst thing to befall the country, not the ones who voted for it, but the ones who have for their own selfish ideology ignored the result. Moaning about lost freedoms which haven't actually gone anywhere but silent against those who have chipped away at out democratic freedom .Its estimated its cost the UK since Brexit 35 billion ,money given back to the EU , how democratic is that . | |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 09:36 - Sep 2 with 472 views | Gwyn737 |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 09:12 - Sep 2 by Boundy |
They are the ones which should be castigated by many who believe Brexit is the worst thing to befall the country, not the ones who voted for it, but the ones who have for their own selfish ideology ignored the result. Moaning about lost freedoms which haven't actually gone anywhere but silent against those who have chipped away at out democratic freedom .Its estimated its cost the UK since Brexit 35 billion ,money given back to the EU , how democratic is that . |
That assumes there has been no financial loss due to Brexit.
It’s impossible to find precise figures but the consensus is it’s been financially very damaging.
The billions sent to the EU weren’t just given away. They bought us benefits.
Freedoms not gone anywhere? I posted a list above that didn’t get a response. [Post edited 2 Sep 9:37]
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 09:54 - Sep 2 with 448 views | Whiterockin |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 09:36 - Sep 2 by Gwyn737 |
That assumes there has been no financial loss due to Brexit.
It’s impossible to find precise figures but the consensus is it’s been financially very damaging.
The billions sent to the EU weren’t just given away. They bought us benefits.
Freedoms not gone anywhere? I posted a list above that didn’t get a response. [Post edited 2 Sep 9:37]
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Throw Covid into the equation which massively distorts any calculations. | | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 11:21 - Sep 2 with 370 views | Gwyn737 |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 09:54 - Sep 2 by Whiterockin |
Throw Covid into the equation which massively distorts any calculations. |
Very true, too. | | | |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 12:28 - Sep 2 with 308 views | Boundy |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 09:36 - Sep 2 by Gwyn737 |
That assumes there has been no financial loss due to Brexit.
It’s impossible to find precise figures but the consensus is it’s been financially very damaging.
The billions sent to the EU weren’t just given away. They bought us benefits.
Freedoms not gone anywhere? I posted a list above that didn’t get a response. [Post edited 2 Sep 9:37]
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The sun still rises and sets and yes I noted your list which cannot be argued against but sometimes democracy should transcend money otherwise as we're beginning to see in the UK with the personal tax burden increasing you can have as much put aside only to see it squirreled away by Government without the democratic approval of those money it is. | |
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| Nigel's cunning plan on 12:56 - Sep 2 with 288 views | Gwyn737 |
| Nigel's cunning plan on 12:28 - Sep 2 by Boundy |
The sun still rises and sets and yes I noted your list which cannot be argued against but sometimes democracy should transcend money otherwise as we're beginning to see in the UK with the personal tax burden increasing you can have as much put aside only to see it squirreled away by Government without the democratic approval of those money it is. |
And in a democracy you are allowed to keep making the argument if a vote goes against you, especially when further evidence comes to light.
As for the tax situation, I don't the EU had any bearing on the powers the UK govenrment has, except of course the cost to the economy and challenges to grouth not being in the single market means revenue has to come from somewhere. | | | |
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