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Good questions (not least because I'm awaiting an Asda home delivery...)
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I watched a virologist recommend that some items like Cornflakes for example can have outer box/packaging removed and thrown away whilst leaving sealing inner packaging. Wash hands with soap and water for 20 seconds after handling bags, throwing away packaging, and washing items.
This virologist recommended washing/wiping other items that come without outer packaging with either soapy water or disinfecting wipes.
A loaf of bread is harder to wash to adequate standard because the top part where the polythene is tied generally has nooks and crannies because of its ruffled state. I put my bread in the freezer along with plastic container milk. A bit of advice on freezing milk is to empty the container a bit, place standing upright so it does not burst or leak within the freezer.
On long life carton milk? ASDA sells it, I bought some this week and the sell by date is mid November, in store I found it in the cereal shelving area and not within the refrigerated milk section. I've got a little more room in the freezer now! Lessens the need for single item shopping trips. Taste test review.
All good questions. We don’t know the answer to any of this. 1. Whilst genetic material can be detected on a surface for 24 hours or so we don’t know viability in terms of infection 2. We don’t know how much virus is needed to cause disease-the infectious dose 3. We don’t know how domestic fridges and freezers affect the virus
It’s not something I have seen recommended by major researchers in the area but I know some very media savvy (relatively junior) scientists have been saying to do this..
So I genuinely don’t know. I would certainly take care handling and washing hands on receipt of any delivery, but iI can’t see this being a major risk.-Certainly much lower than going to the supermarket . I would say take care and be sensible. I won't Be washing or decanting. Wash all fruit and veg prior to use and wash hands before and after handling food.
Imagine thinking that the uk could not have possibly prepared better ?
Imagine thinking that to ask questions of the uk govt is to make it political ? It is political. Decisions made by govt are now life or death decisions.
This man warned us all .... what can you say given recent events ? To say its sad seems to understate it all....
All good questions. We don’t know the answer to any of this. 1. Whilst genetic material can be detected on a surface for 24 hours or so we don’t know viability in terms of infection 2. We don’t know how much virus is needed to cause disease-the infectious dose 3. We don’t know how domestic fridges and freezers affect the virus
It’s not something I have seen recommended by major researchers in the area but I know some very media savvy (relatively junior) scientists have been saying to do this..
So I genuinely don’t know. I would certainly take care handling and washing hands on receipt of any delivery, but iI can’t see this being a major risk.-Certainly much lower than going to the supermarket . I would say take care and be sensible. I won't Be washing or decanting. Wash all fruit and veg prior to use and wash hands before and after handling food.
As an update- WHO, FDA, European Food Safety Authority and Food Standards Agency advice is to wash fruit and veg. If you have cereal etc with an inner packet that seems reasonable. Beyond good hygiene the other measures may have as much risk in washing (especially around aerosol formation). This is pretty much standard to avoid food poisoning too.
I think a few people, notably a guy called Chris Smith, have suggested the More extreme action. Although he is a medical virologist, he is more involved in public understanding of science through his excellent Naked Scientisit podcast/radio show- I have been on it twice, he is not a coronavirus person by any means. But as a big media presence on TV and radio, he has influenced a lot of people to think this. My wife even. Other people is by far your biggest risk
14:58 on the link below - South Korean patients thought cured test positive again South Korean health authorities say 91 people thought recovered after contracting coronavirus have tested positive for the disease again.
The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) said on Friday it was not clear why the patients had tested positive for a second time.
KCDC director Jeong Eun-kyeong told a news conference it was possible that the virus had “reactivated” in the patients, as opposed to them being re-infected.
Other health experts suggested the patients may have "relapsed” or been misdiagnosed by faulty tests.
The results will be of keen interest internationally, as health experts worldwide hope people infected by Covid-19 will develop immunity to the disease, allowing them to return to work. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52239925
14:58 on the link below - South Korean patients thought cured test positive again South Korean health authorities say 91 people thought recovered after contracting coronavirus have tested positive for the disease again.
The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) said on Friday it was not clear why the patients had tested positive for a second time.
KCDC director Jeong Eun-kyeong told a news conference it was possible that the virus had “reactivated” in the patients, as opposed to them being re-infected.
Other health experts suggested the patients may have "relapsed” or been misdiagnosed by faulty tests.
The results will be of keen interest internationally, as health experts worldwide hope people infected by Covid-19 will develop immunity to the disease, allowing them to return to work. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52239925
South Korea should take a leaf out of North Korea’s book. They haven’t had a single case of Covid-19 in North Korea and hence no fatalities.
Apparently.
Planet Swans Prediction League Winner Season 2013-14. Runner up 2014_15.
Some of the footage coming out of New York today, mass graves in, what appears to be, derelict land...fecking hell.
Not surprising considering how densely populated it is. The big cities will always suffer a lot more from things like this, as they did in the time of cholera and the plague.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
8,600 new cases here today.This country is by far the worse, per head of population, and we are an Island.Something isn't right.
Again we are far more densely populated than a lot of countries. When you think of 70 million people on a what is quite a small island and a huge swathes of that population is concentrated in the south east. I think it’s to be expected that we have more cases than other countries where people tend to be further apart.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Again we are far more densely populated than a lot of countries. When you think of 70 million people on a what is quite a small island and a huge swathes of that population is concentrated in the south east. I think it’s to be expected that we have more cases than other countries where people tend to be further apart.
Yes France has a similar population and double the land.
Today’s numbers include the results from NHS testing and family testing for the first time.
It’s actually an important step forward to include these as it should have happened weeks ago.
On a like for like measure (hospital only) cases are, thankfully, beginning to flatten.
There are hundreds of thousands positive or have had it - it’s all about increasing tests to gather the proper info.
The like for like figures in the daily briefing were pretty flat compared to the last few days. I presume these are using the same data collection principles that have been employed from the start.
Yes France has a similar population and double the land.
Yeah but Paris is one of the most densely populated cities in the world so the figures are distorted somewhat. This is why we shouldn’t really be comparing ourselves to other countries as their distribution of people and population densities are far different to ours. Not to mention other factors such as climate, travel etc.
The fact is all contagious diseases will thrive more when people are packed together and/or move around more. We tick the box for both of those in normal times.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Again we are far more densely populated than a lot of countries. When you think of 70 million people on a what is quite a small island and a huge swathes of that population is concentrated in the south east. I think it’s to be expected that we have more cases than other countries where people tend to be further apart.
I've seen comparisons of the UK with Sweden, Norway and New Zealand. Greater London alone has a population not far off any two of those three countries combined.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
I've seen comparisons of the UK with Sweden, Norway and New Zealand. Greater London alone has a population not far off any two of those three countries combined.
Taking London as an example, you’ve probably got a good eight to ten million people living there and working there with another couple of million moving in and out every day from places like Slough, Reading, Watford for example. Then chuck the tourists in on top of that. Any self respecting virus would be rubbing their filaments with glee at those conditions.
This is what sets the likes of London, Paris and New York apart from a lot of other big cities (apart from the presence of Trotters Independent Traders offices) is the huge amounts of movement in and out, people packed on trains and buses.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Worth bearing in mind over 90 percent of deaths have underlying health conditions, obesity rate in Japan is less than 3 percent, in the UK it is 29 percent, that's millions of people..
We are a very unhealthy nation with an estimated 50 percent of NHS demand avoidable cardiovascular disease.
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brilliant fair play. 
