| First Signing For Rochdale ? 09:18 - Jun 14 with 10561 views | LeeBrookfield |
Lots of clubs getting business done early. I suspect that as the club has furloughed a lot of staff, possibly players too. The club may not be looking to sign players until as late as possible to keep the wage bill down for as long as possible.
As Rochdale fans we are probably well aware we always have late and last pickings.
So realistically who would you like us to sign?
My first realistic suggestion would be Paddy Madden [31 CF] from Stockport County.
Massive experience, goal scoring record, we need 3 strikers for the season as last year showed us, he would want league football, could sign a 2 year deal, financially possible if SCFC in non league can afford him, a nightmare against us and Irish for BBM. Thoughts ?
So who do you think we should sign realistically?
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| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 10:12 - Jun 14 with 7915 views | seasidedale |
Don’t think we could afford his wages, read that he is on big money | | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 10:14 - Jun 14 with 7894 views | Dalenet |
We don't pay for new players until they have left their old clubs on 1st July so not a cost issue this month. We are playing friendlies in mid July so we need to move on players before the end of this month. I understand that we ,may not get first choice targets, but we can't wait for scraps for every position. All depends on which out of contract players have decided to stay | | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 10:16 - Jun 14 with 7907 views | ChaffRAFC |
I strongly suspect Stockport have a significantly bigger budget than we do.
He'd played 36 games before joining Stockport last season and scored 9 goals. If Fleetwood wanted rid of him there would have been a whole host of league clubs interested in him so for him to drop down to Stockport County suggests that they're able to afford more than those other clubs.
In terms of realistic signings, we need a fair amount of players this season regardless of who re-signs for us. If O'Connell signs, we still need two centre backs, if he doesn't then three. I'd like to see Ryan Sweeney come in who was released by Mansfield. Also Irish.
I'd welcome Harrison McGahey back as well but appreciate he splits opinion.
Corey Whelan, recently released by Wigan seems like the type of player we may go for? Can play centre back or right back. Came through the ranks at Liverpool, went to America to play college football, then came back to Wigan. Also Irish.
Will be interesting to see if we can make use of the loan market and our relationship with Manchester City and Brighton. Would also like to see Osho back but suspect they will want him to either be part of the squad or go to a League One side. |  |
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| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 10:25 - Jun 14 with 7869 views | AtThePeake |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 10:16 - Jun 14 by ChaffRAFC |
I strongly suspect Stockport have a significantly bigger budget than we do.
He'd played 36 games before joining Stockport last season and scored 9 goals. If Fleetwood wanted rid of him there would have been a whole host of league clubs interested in him so for him to drop down to Stockport County suggests that they're able to afford more than those other clubs.
In terms of realistic signings, we need a fair amount of players this season regardless of who re-signs for us. If O'Connell signs, we still need two centre backs, if he doesn't then three. I'd like to see Ryan Sweeney come in who was released by Mansfield. Also Irish.
I'd welcome Harrison McGahey back as well but appreciate he splits opinion.
Corey Whelan, recently released by Wigan seems like the type of player we may go for? Can play centre back or right back. Came through the ranks at Liverpool, went to America to play college football, then came back to Wigan. Also Irish.
Will be interesting to see if we can make use of the loan market and our relationship with Manchester City and Brighton. Would also like to see Osho back but suspect they will want him to either be part of the squad or go to a League One side. |
By all accounts they paid a six-figure fee for him too, so can't see them wanting to let him go this summer. |  |
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| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 10:34 - Jun 14 with 7843 views | DaleiLama |
You'd like to think that North Yard Analytics, with nearly 15% of shares currently in circulation, would come up with a realistic menu of targets to aim for by position?
It is in their company's best interest, Dan and Emre's personal best interest as shareholders and the club's best interest to progress back to L1.
The recruitment last year on a shoestring budget unearthed a few prospects and we have still to see who will resign. If more cash can be freed up by reducing the bloated, non-playing staff wage bill to a necessary minimum, we ought to have a fighting chance of putting a decent L2 squad together capable of challenging for promotion. We need leaders in decision making positions all singing from the same hymn sheet first though. [Post edited 14 Jun 2021 10:35]
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| First Signing For Rochdale ? (n/t) on 10:35 - Jun 14 with 7835 views | seasidedale |
[Post edited 14 Jun 2021 10:41]
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| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 11:16 - Jun 14 with 7708 views | DaleiLama |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 10:16 - Jun 14 by ChaffRAFC |
I strongly suspect Stockport have a significantly bigger budget than we do.
He'd played 36 games before joining Stockport last season and scored 9 goals. If Fleetwood wanted rid of him there would have been a whole host of league clubs interested in him so for him to drop down to Stockport County suggests that they're able to afford more than those other clubs.
In terms of realistic signings, we need a fair amount of players this season regardless of who re-signs for us. If O'Connell signs, we still need two centre backs, if he doesn't then three. I'd like to see Ryan Sweeney come in who was released by Mansfield. Also Irish.
I'd welcome Harrison McGahey back as well but appreciate he splits opinion.
Corey Whelan, recently released by Wigan seems like the type of player we may go for? Can play centre back or right back. Came through the ranks at Liverpool, went to America to play college football, then came back to Wigan. Also Irish.
Will be interesting to see if we can make use of the loan market and our relationship with Manchester City and Brighton. Would also like to see Osho back but suspect they will want him to either be part of the squad or go to a League One side. |
Osho looks unlikely but I'd love to see him back too.
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| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 11:22 - Jun 14 with 7685 views | SuddenLad |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 11:16 - Jun 14 by DaleiLama |
Osho looks unlikely but I'd love to see him back too.
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Perhaps if the player himself has a say in what happens, he might opt to return. I'd like to think we could sign him permanently, but I doubt that will happen, even though he appears to be surplus to requirements. |  |
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| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 11:25 - Jun 14 with 7684 views | IOMDale |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 11:22 - Jun 14 by SuddenLad |
Perhaps if the player himself has a say in what happens, he might opt to return. I'd like to think we could sign him permanently, but I doubt that will happen, even though he appears to be surplus to requirements. |
That post from O'Rourke is a bit disingenuous as Luton only just exercised the extra year on Osho's contract this summer. Granted, his playing time with Luton might be restricted in the short-term but his future is hardly 'in doubt'. |  | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 11:27 - Jun 14 with 7673 views | jonahwhereru |
Is the club in the position to authorise signings, in all honest? The CEO shouldn’t (I realise with DB anything may be possible) be in a position to give the nod on signing contracts. Fortunately we do have Tony Pockney who has finance responsibilities, but what we don’t have is a functioning board.
Having said all that I don’t know who has had the final say in the last couple of years.
As for signings the focus has to be on the defence, that hasn’t changed since last season. Ideally a Paul McShane type that has seen championship football but is nearing the veteran stage. Must be several of those types out there.
Whatever, we need a robust side, with size this season, this is the brawn over brain division we are dealing with this year. BBM take note! | | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 12:57 - Jun 14 with 7453 views | Mass_Debater |
You said realistic. | | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 19:53 - Jun 14 with 6928 views | LeeBrookfield |
Going off the released thread and working on players who are free. These are players I think could improve us without breaking the bank.
All players this year will have to be more realistic about the money they are after, but we have to get our arse in gear or miss out on players that would see us push for a play off spot.
GK = Mark Howard [Scunthorpe]
RB = Jordan Clarke [Scunthorpe]
CB = Omar Sowunmi [Colchester]
LB = Zeki Fryers [Swindon]
RM = Jordan Maguire-Drew [Leyton Orient]
LM = Abo Eisa [Scunthorpe]
CF = Lee Novak [Bradford] | | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 06:45 - Jun 15 with 6437 views | seasidedale |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 10:34 - Jun 14 by DaleiLama |
You'd like to think that North Yard Analytics, with nearly 15% of shares currently in circulation, would come up with a realistic menu of targets to aim for by position?
It is in their company's best interest, Dan and Emre's personal best interest as shareholders and the club's best interest to progress back to L1.
The recruitment last year on a shoestring budget unearthed a few prospects and we have still to see who will resign. If more cash can be freed up by reducing the bloated, non-playing staff wage bill to a necessary minimum, we ought to have a fighting chance of putting a decent L2 squad together capable of challenging for promotion. We need leaders in decision making positions all singing from the same hymn sheet first though. [Post edited 14 Jun 2021 10:35]
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N Y Analytics do give us info, apparently many of last seasons signing came from thrier recommendation list | | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 08:00 - Jun 15 with 6365 views | pioneer |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 06:45 - Jun 15 by seasidedale |
N Y Analytics do give us info, apparently many of last seasons signing came from thrier recommendation list |
And a lot of good that did us! | | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 08:12 - Jun 15 with 6345 views | DaleiLama |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 08:00 - Jun 15 by pioneer |
And a lot of good that did us! |
A bad workman blames his tools | |
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| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 10:21 - Jun 15 with 6160 views | RAFCBLUE |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 08:00 - Jun 15 by pioneer |
And a lot of good that did us! |
Two players who have gone to the Euros (Sanchez and Norrington Davies) have been at Dale in the recent past. Would be good to know how they had been identified.
If you’ve seen the Roberto Martinez documentary on the amount of analytics in it shows what a huge part of the game it is. |  |
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| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 11:07 - Jun 15 with 6067 views | pioneer |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 10:21 - Jun 15 by RAFCBLUE |
Two players who have gone to the Euros (Sanchez and Norrington Davies) have been at Dale in the recent past. Would be good to know how they had been identified.
If you’ve seen the Roberto Martinez documentary on the amount of analytics in it shows what a huge part of the game it is. |
I think the point is there are probably as manyteams in the bottom half of the league using analytics as there are in the top half. Analytics are useless if you dont have the right personnel using them. | | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 11:40 - Jun 15 with 6000 views | RAFCBLUE |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 11:07 - Jun 15 by pioneer |
I think the point is there are probably as manyteams in the bottom half of the league using analytics as there are in the top half. Analytics are useless if you dont have the right personnel using them. |
Completely agree. | |
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| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 12:43 - Jun 15 with 5874 views | TomRAFC |
We do have some good players, although this will reduce somewhat if players don't sign new contracts/teams higher up the chain come in for Rathbone/Humphrys etc.
At the moment we have a lack of pace and brutality across the pitch. Most successful teams have at ;east one player with blistering pace and one player who is absolutely terrifying. | |
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| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 12:52 - Jun 15 with 5840 views | seasidedale |
Big Jim terrifies me every time he plays | | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 12:58 - Jun 15 with 5823 views | RooleyMoorBlue |
Tony Collins never needed a computer to unearth talent. Computers can't include temperament and attitude to a host of things. I'd much rather rely on a decent scout to recommend players. |  | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 13:41 - Jun 15 with 5699 views | HK_Dale |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 12:58 - Jun 15 by RooleyMoorBlue |
Tony Collins never needed a computer to unearth talent. Computers can't include temperament and attitude to a host of things. I'd much rather rely on a decent scout to recommend players. |
It's not, or rather shouldn't be a mutually exclusive approach. You should use the analytics and data to screen for talent and generate the right signals on which players have potential. This can then be combined with a view on temperament, attitude, and other qualitative factors before making a decision on signing a player. |  | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 16:25 - Jun 15 with 5457 views | Beechball |
Yes - the analytics are a potentially useful tool but they can't be at every game in the country and the players must have enough game time to produce a meaningful result. They also can't account for a player not being deployed correctly. For these reasons I can't see how Analytics would have recommended Gary Jones, Craig Dawson, Alan Reeves or Ricky Lambert | | | |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 16:56 - Jun 15 with 5371 views | AtThePeake |
| First Signing For Rochdale ? on 12:58 - Jun 15 by RooleyMoorBlue |
Tony Collins never needed a computer to unearth talent. Computers can't include temperament and attitude to a host of things. I'd much rather rely on a decent scout to recommend players. |
Tony Collins was manager of Rochdale 60 years ago. Pointless comparison. The game has changed. | |
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